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lol... so now the politicians have sussed that immigration is putting british workers out of work! the latest stats show that immigration ISNT as beneficial to the country as first thought.

 

cheap labour is costing young british men jobs, and undercutting proffessional tradesmen putting them out of work.

 

instead of paying vast ammounts in benefits they should make the long term unemployed work for their (our) money, and send the polish back home! :lol:

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British workers are lazy bum and don't want to work and their excuse is always that the foreigners always take all the jobs.

 

What about UK based companies that open call centres or officers abroad in a third world country to try save pennies so the big boss can have their own swimming pool in their office! I feel sorry for the workers abroad as they get paid PEANUTS!

 

Anyway I don't have probs with anyone working here in this country so long as they pay tax.

cheap labour is costing young british men jobs, and undercutting proffessional tradesmen putting them out of work.

 

instead of paying vast ammounts in benefits they should make the long term unemployed work for their (our) money, and send the polish back home! :lol:

 

Complete cr@p... If migrants didn't do these jobs, do you think the majority of our bone idle, shiftless lazy chavs actually would...? How many of them are actually qualified to be plumbers, bricklayers, etc...? Probably not many... You also assume workers from Poland aren't actually pretty damned qualified and professional themselves.... Wrong actually, they are, most are actually LEARNING A TRADE in their state schools (unlike State schools in this country nowadays...) And we cant "send the Polish back home" you idiot, they're EU citizens, just like you or me... We could no sooner send them back than they could send you or me back from Warsaw or Gdansk if we chose to build a life there.....

 

I just knew that this report would be used, yet again, in your now quite tedious, utterly clueless "bash the Poles" campaign.... <_< This study is focussed more on the low-skilled workers from outside the EU, who are the real problem....

 

And while the report may say that immigration isn't as beneficial as the Govt claims, it doesn't exactly say that it's a serious detriment to the UK economy either..... "little" benefit is still some benefit, and the facts are we do have serious skills shortages in this country that the "bloody Poles" do actually fill.....

Why is it the immigrants fault? Surely it's the (mainly) BRITISH companies that are employing these people just to save a few quid that should be blamed? You can hardly blame migrant workers for wanting to move country in order to earn a better wage and have a higher standard of living than they otherwise would've, they can clearly live off these low amounts, so why can't the British do the same?
Why is it the immigrants fault? Surely it's the (mainly) BRITISH companies that are employing these people just to save a few quid that should be blamed?

 

Spot on RFC... The facts are that the erosion of the Trade Unions and Workers Rights in this country has led to this wholesale exploitation of migrant workers and workers from certain EU States... These workers are not being properly represented, they often have no kind of access to a workers' rep, a union or even an Industrial Tribunal if they are being unfairly treated.. Worst of all? The Govt lets employers get away with it, the absolutely pitiful minimum wage in this country means that employers aren't actually technically in breach of any laws, but everything in this country these days is to protect the interests of the corporations and fat-cat bosses; there is precious little or no protection for the average worker, the scales have tipped far too far in favour of greedy bosses and white collar corporate criminals who defraud this country of BILLIONS every year... Redress this balance, and everyone will benefit, whether indigenous OR migrant worker....

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lol... i get you everytime :P

 

what is wrong though is that the whole immigration thing has been poorly thought out.

 

migration is all well and good but its bizarre when theres plenty of bone idle workers not working here and claiming benefits because they get more by sitting on their arse then what they would working.

 

its also wrong that a migrant worker (and i dont believe for one moment that ALL polish/eastern europeans are this paragon of virtue, hardworking heavily skilled superworker YOU paint them as.... facts are theres plenty of eastern european SCUM here as well, fighting, poaching, sexual harrassing/rapeing, begging, all have SIGNIFICANTLY increased in areas of high migration) ... can come here and undercut our hard working tradesmen. ive said before that its totally wrong that these people who have trained here, got all the tickets, are hard working skilled opporatives, are getting undercut by semi skilled, subsidised, lads from over yon (points east).

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Spot on RFC... The facts are that the erosion of the Trade Unions and Workers Rights in this country has led to this wholesale exploitation of migrant workers and workers from certain EU States... These workers are not being properly represented, they often have no kind of access to a workers' rep, a union or even an Industrial Tribunal if they are being unfairly treated.. Worst of all? The Govt lets employers get away with it, the absolutely pitiful minimum wage in this country means that employers aren't actually technically in breach of any laws, but everything in this country these days is to protect the interests of the corporations and fat-cat bosses; there is precious little or no protection for the average worker, the scales have tipped far too far in favour of greedy bosses and white collar corporate criminals who defraud this country of BILLIONS every year... Redress this balance, and everyone will benefit, whether indigenous OR migrant worker....

 

but yet again you do what you always do.... confuse the issue by wandering off the topic.

 

fat cats and corporate criminals is a totally different subject.

ive said before that its totally wrong that these people who have trained here, got all the tickets, are hard working skilled opporatives, are getting undercut by semi skilled, subsidised, lads from over yon (points east).

 

And again, you just talk utter sh!te and prove again that you just dont know what you are talking about.... Semi Skilled?? Rubbish.. I've said it before (but you clearly aint listening because your blinkered, anti-EE attitudes wont allow you to listen...), these guys coming over here are skilled, they've trained in their own state institutions, they are time-served, they've done apprenticeships.... In fact, they're probably a lot better than most of the pikey, cowboy w/ankers you see on "Rogue Traders". Don't see too many Polish cowboys being exposed on that show mate.... :P :P And I'm pretty sure they had a good old poke around........ You think that British workers are so bloody wonderful?? Well, you try wasting a whole fukkin' day for someone to show up fix a fukkin' leak, only for them to not bother to show up.... <_< Then your Arabic landlord puts you in touch with one of his mates who's up quick as a shot the next day, does the job in under an hour, does a damn good job and doesn't try to stiff you on the bill..... Yeah, such bad workers these immigrants aren't they...?

but yet again you do what you always do.... confuse the issue by wandering off the topic.

 

fat cats and corporate criminals is a totally different subject.

 

 

Nope, it's not mate.. The issues are clearly linked.... You're moaning about "immigrant workers undercutting our lads".. Well, who is it that's paying them the lower wages mate...? It's greedy, fat-cat bosses..... <_< The average worker cannot negotiate their own wages with their line managers or site Foremen you pillock, they dictate what they pay out, NOT the worker (perhaps if these workers were properly UNIONISED then you'd have a much more level playing field in terms of negotiations, but again, whose fault is it that they're not unionised and have no clear idea of their rights as EU workers..? Certainly NOT the fault of the workers, and the bosses aint exactly busting their arses making them aware of their rights are they...??) . And the workers themselves certainly cannot set the national minimum wage..... I think you'll find it's the Govt that does that.....

(and i dont believe for one moment that ALL polish/eastern europeans are this paragon of virtue, hardworking heavily skilled superworker YOU paint them as.... facts are theres plenty of eastern european SCUM here as well, fighting, poaching, sexual harrassing/rapeing, begging, all have SIGNIFICANTLY increased in areas of high migration)

 

Blah, blah, watevahhhhh... Like there was no crime before immigration..... Bollocks, crime went up 400 fukkin' per cent under Thatcher, so tell me where all the Eastern Europeans were then...... Stuck behind the fukkin' Iron Curtain, that's where.....

 

The facts are that the vast majority of immigrants are perfectly law-abiding people mate, your poor attempts to paint them out as all being criminal scum or the rather nasty implication that somehow there is more prediliction on the part of immigrants to commit crime is worthy only of a BNP newsletter, and frankly I wont dignify your wholly bigoted comments any further..... <_<

I think legislation should be bought in allowing companies to only employ immigrant labour if no suitably qualified English person applied for the post or could be found. English jobs and English labour have to come first, it may sound a bit protectionist and no doubt someone will call me a racist but it is not about skin colour this is aimed at mostly Eastern Europeans

 

I spoke to a pole the other day who came round to my house bidding for work and he told me that the majority of his money earned gets sent back to Poland to his family so they can live in luxury out there so this guy and his fellow poles are doing nothing for the English economy

 

English people have to come first with regards employment particularly traders and craftsmen so laws should be bought in to ensure immigrants are only employed if a suitable English person cant be found for the job

I think legislation should be bought in allowing companies to only employ immigrant labour if no suitably qualified English person applied for the post or could be found. English jobs and English labour have to come first, it may sound a bit protectionist and no doubt someone will call me a racist but it is not about skin colour this is aimed at mostly Eastern Europeans

 

I spoke to a pole the other day who came round to my house bidding for work and he told me that the majority of his money earned gets sent back to Poland to his family so they can live in luxury out there so this guy and his fellow poles are doing nothing for the English economy

 

English people have to come first with regards employment particularly traders and craftsmen so laws should be bought in to ensure immigrants are only employed if a suitable English person cant be found for the job

 

What utter pish mate... In case you hadn't noticed, we live in the EU now mate.. So does Poland, what would you say if France or Germany started doing what you propose with British workers...? English jobs? English labour? Oh, well, I'll just p*** off back to Dundee now then, eh? You dont half come up with some c**p sometimes Craig.....

 

And so bloody what if they send money back home? What, they should be penalised and criticised for being a good son/daughter/father/mother? Ridiculous.... -_- When British workers went out to France and Germany in the 80s (well they had to didn't they really, they'd been thrown out on the scrapheap by YOUR Tory govt by the way...), the majority of them did exactly the same bloody thing - sent back money to wives, kids, families...... Oh, yeah, such a bad person for sending money back home to his family.. Jesus effing Christ....... <_<

 

You're not a racist Craig.. Just a typical clueless fukkin' TORY......

The time has come for Britain to say they are full up and no more room for anyone else unless they have the financial commitment and means to set up a business or are in a professional profession where there is a great shortage (dentistry for example), there is simply not room in this country any more for an influx of migrants and the extra demands on housing, our roads, schools, hospitals and so on, the green belt is being more and more eroded by the day, our roads are crumbling, our classrooms have stupid number of kids in, Britain is FULL, no more room

 

If that means breaking EU legislation or securing opt outs on the free movement of labour so be it, our infrastructure is stretched beyond its capacity and we are a small island

 

This is not about skin colour, couldnt care less if it was Australians or Afghans there is simply not the room any more in the UK

 

Time to close the gates with the exception of those I outlined above

What utter pish mate... In case you hadn't noticed, we live in the EU now mate.. So does Poland, what would you say if France or Germany started doing what you propose with British workers...? English jobs? English labour? Oh, well, I'll just p*** off back to Dundee now then, eh? You dont half come up with some c**p sometimes Craig.....

 

And so bloody what if they send money back home? What, they should be penalised and criticised for being a good son/daughter/father/mother? Ridiculous.... -_- When British workers went out to France and Germany in the 80s (well they had to didn't they really, they'd been thrown out on the scrapheap by YOUR Tory govt by the way...), the majority of them did exactly the same bloody thing - sent back money to wives, kids, families...... Oh, yeah, such a bad person for sending money back home to his family.. Jesus effing Christ....... <_<

 

You're not a racist Craig.. Just a typical clueless fukkin' TORY......

 

I meant British of course but I was using the context of the fact that I am based in England so was not ruling out Scots, Irish, Welsh and so on

If that means breaking EU legislation or securing opt outs on the free movement of labour so be it, our infrastructure is stretched beyond its capacity and we are a small island

 

Well, um, we kind of can't do that actually Craig, not without pretty bad consequences on ourselves anyway, and our own liberties and rights to move around the Continent relatively freely... It was this country who pushed the most for expansion in the first sodding place, as well as being the ones most in favour of free movement of labour within the EU... We start breaking our own principles now, well, what does that make us look like...? Big fat hypocrites really..... Your own party signed up to it mate when they were in power in the 90s....

 

Are you seriously suggesting turning back the clock to 1971 or summat...?

 

 

 

And again, you just talk utter sh!te and prove again that you just dont know what you are talking about.... Semi Skilled?? Rubbish.. I've said it before (but you clearly aint listening because your blinkered, anti-EE attitudes wont allow you to listen...), these guys coming over here are skilled, they've trained in their own state institutions, they are time-served, they've done apprenticeships.... In fact, they're probably a lot better than most of the pikey, cowboy w/ankers you see on "Rogue Traders". Don't see too many Polish cowboys being exposed on that show mate.... :P :P And I'm pretty sure they had a good old poke around........ You think that British workers are so bloody wonderful?? Well, you try wasting a whole fukkin' day for someone to show up fix a fukkin' leak, only for them to not bother to show up.... <_< Then your Arabic landlord puts you in touch with one of his mates who's up quick as a shot the next day, does the job in under an hour, does a damn good job and doesn't try to stiff you on the bill..... Yeah, such bad workers these immigrants aren't they...?

 

Here's a nice little story that this thread brought to mind. And this guy wasn't afraid or too proud to get his hands dirty! Thank god he was spotted!

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-...ain-763577.html

 

It may have nothing to do with the original thread but I think tempers are getting a little frayed!

 

By the way Grim - spot-on! You mentioned earlier the 'minimum wage' I don't want to get into that as it makes me bloody angry - all it has done has meant unscrupulous bosses have been using it as a benchmark to bring their wages DOWN to it! I expect MMR will come back with a witty retort to me but I've now learned to just ignore him. :lol: :lol:

 

Norma

Well, um, we kind of can't do that actually Craig, not without pretty bad consequences on ourselves anyway, and our own liberties and rights to move around the Continent relatively freely... It was this country who pushed the most for expansion in the first sodding place, as well as being the ones most in favour of free movement of labour within the EU... We start breaking our own principles now, well, what does that make us look like...? Big fat hypocrites really..... Your own party signed up to it mate when they were in power in the 90s....

 

Are you seriously suggesting turning back the clock to 1971 or summat...?

 

Times have changed mate the demands on the infrastructure in this country are simply too high for Britain to function smoothly so radical times need radical measures

 

I love the green belt and open spaces and fields and national parks but this country is fast losing its green belt in the name of building new houses and people who live in these houses need cars and tubes and hospitals and schools and so on and the infrastructure is at the point of collapse to the detriment of the UK so measures are needed to get the population of the UK down to manageable levels, not repatriation but simply not allowing new immigrants until the population is down to a manageable level without impacting on the infrastructure

 

Its affecting everything mate, if anything has a blade of grass on it it is being sold up for new housing now be it a school playing field or a park or whatever, immigration is one of the big reasons for the extra homes being needed

 

 

all it has done has meant unscrupulous bosses have been using it as a benchmark to bring their wages DOWN to it!

Norma

 

Pretty much nail on the head there in a lot of ways... I do believe in the principle of a minimum wage (I would say the EU 'Decency Threshold' should be the set minimum wage however).. But the problem with it in practice is that it doesn't take into account the quite erratic regional cost-of-living variations... £5.35 an hour may get you by Strathclyde or Yorkshire (although, that's debateable too), but it sure as hell doesn't get you by in London, The South East or South West (which surely is not debateable).....

 

 

Good article though.. Pretty much sums up our collective attitudes towards people from the EE in general if you ask me... We just assume that they're somehow 'beneath' us, not as skilled, talented or intelligent, that menial jobs are somehow all they're good for.... -_- Like it's their fault they had to put up with sh!t Govts....

Pretty much nail on the head there in a lot of ways... I do believe in the principle of a minimum wage (I would say the EU 'Decency Threshold' should be the set minimum wage however).. But the problem with it in practice is that it doesn't take into account the quite erratic regional cost-of-living variations... £5.35 an hour may get you by Strathclyde or Yorkshire (although, that's debateable too), but it sure as hell doesn't get you by in London, The South East or South West (which surely is not debateable).....

Good article though.. Pretty much sums up our collective attitudes towards people from the EE in general if you ask me... We just assume that they're somehow 'beneath' us, not as skilled, talented or intelligent.... -_- Like it's their fault they had to put up with sh!t Govts....

 

I've changed jobs quite frequently recently (travel reasons and such) and the hourly rate for the job I'm doing now is over £1 an hour less than the starting wage at the job I was doing five years ago! And the job is of a fairly similar nature.

 

Norma

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they can clearly live off these low amounts, so why can't the British do the same?

The standard of accommodation a lot of East European workers are prepared to put up with are way below the standards most British people would accept. But they're prepared to endure it for a few years until they've made enough money to go back home to a better standard of living.

 

I believe it's what Tories usually refer to as a free market.

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