One murder in five in England and Wales is committed by a foreigner, police figures released to The Sunday Telegraph show.

 

Out of 461 people convicted of or charged with homicide in the 12 months up to April last year, 96 were foreign citizens - from 28 different countries.

 

The findings again highlight Britain's failure to deport foreign criminals, a focus of government attention since the blunder that led to the sacking of Charles Clarke as home secretary in 2006.

 

Recent murderers have included foreigners who had been convicted of robbery and assault but were allowed to remain in Britain after serving their sentences.

 

Police chiefs seized on the 2006/7 figures - the last year for which full data are available - to warn that immigration was having a "significant impact" on Britain, and putting forces under rising strain. The information also provides evidence that foreign criminal networks have built up extensive UK operations.

 

Scotland Yard said half of the organised crime gangs in London were "ethnic" - bound by a common language or homeland. The most common nationalities for foreign killers were Pakistani, Indian and Jamaican.

 

Foreigners were also more likely to become victims. According to the figures, 15 per cent of those who died were from overseas, even though foreigners account for only six per cent of the British population. In many cases, both victim and killer were from the same immigrant community.

 

David Davies, the Conservative MP for Monmouth, said: "These extraordinary figures demonstrate the failure of the Government's immigration policy, which has seen all sorts of undesirable characters being able to get into this country and then stay here using the Human Rights Act to escape deportation."

 

Sir Andrew Green, the director of the think tank MigrationWatch, said: "This underlies the importance of removing foreign prisoners at the end of their sentence, lest they go on to commit still more serious offences."

 

All 43 police forces in England and Wales were asked, under Freedom of Information laws, for nationalities of offenders and victims for all homicides in 2006/7. Most cases were murder, a few manslaughter. Responses were received from 36 forces, of which 25 supplied figures.

 

The picture remains incomplete because some murders are still unsolved, and because some forces excluded cases awaiting trial. Nevertheless, the figures cover more than half of the 755 homicides in England and Wales in 2006/7.

 

Among the most high-profile cases was that of Roberto Malasi, an 18-year-old Angolan asylum-seeker who stormed into a christening party in Peckham, south-east London, and shot dead a 33-year-old woman as she cradled her baby niece, before robbing guests.

 

His three Nigerian accomplices all had past convictions. Malasi went on the run and, two weeks later, stabbed to death an 18-year-old pastor's daughter who he felt had "disrespected" him. He is serving life for the murders. Other notorious foreign killers have included:

 

Yusuf Jama, a Somali asylum-seeker, was in the gang that shot dead Pc Sharon Beshenivsky in Bradford in 2005;

 

Michal Pech, a Slovak army deserter, who shot dead his former lover, Clare Bernal, at Harvey Nichols department store in London in 2005, before shooting himself;

David Bieber, an American bouncer wanted for murder in his homeland, who shot dead Pc Ian Broadhurst in Leeds in 2003;

 

Julie Spence, the Cambridgeshire chief constable, has led complaints about the cost of investigating and prosecuting murders involving immigrants. While the average murder costs police and courts £1.5 million, an overseas link means extra spending on translators and travel.

 

Jon Stoddart, Chief Constable of Durham and lead on homicide for the Association of Chief Police Officers said: "Migration has had a serious impact on the UK population over the past 10 years and with that have followed changes in the demands made on the police service. There are also specific resource implications, including the demand for the police service to use interpreters and where necesary pursue investigations across borders. There can also be difficulties arising from cultural differences."

 

Detectives must also grapple with issues such as clan feuds and "honour" killings. Scotland Yard has focused on organised gangs in the Turkish, Chinese, Vietnamese and Colombian communities.

 

The figures show a wide variation between areas. In London, 76 out of 231 identified killers were foreign nationals; in Manchester, eight out of 42; in Bedfordshire, three out of seven; but in West Yorkshire, none out of 47.

 

The Home Office said that the UK Borders Act, which takes effect in July, would make it easier to deport foreign criminals.

 

"We are absolutely clear that any foreign criminal convicted will be held accountable and expelled from Britain," said a spokesman.

 

 

Source : Sunday Telegraph

more ammo for the 'close the doors' brigade of which i have a great deal of sympathy. so much for the indealistic notion that immigration attracts only hard working, law abiding citizens.

I think it's time for a stricter immigration policy. It's simply getting out of hand.

Yes, but four out of five aren't foreigners. The logic really does not work. =/

Well lets just deport everyone who's is foreigner so figures won't look bad for British Citizens to commit crime.

 

What is the point of that articul. Is it to make me hate foreigners?

Yes, but four out of five aren't foreigners. The logic really does not work. =/

 

not the same though is it.

 

if people are born here then they are 'our' problem.

 

if they are immigrants then they have chosen to come here and must abide by our laws. they shouldnt be allowed in unless they have employment, and they are costing us, the british taxpayer, 20% more.

 

this highlights the unacceptable side if immigration, we have enough problems with british born crims without inflaming the issue with 'non british'.

I love watching Crimewatch. Only foreigners commit all the crimes. It's like true British people can't even be criminals in their own country.

 

 

:)

if they are immigrants then they have chosen to come here and must abide by our laws. they shouldnt be allowed in unless they have employment, and they are costing us, the british taxpayer, 20% more.

 

I didn't see the report mention they were unemployed foreigners. But then I didn't see the report at all...it's the Sunday Telegraph isn't it?

I love watching Crimewatch. Only foreigners commit all the crimes. It's like true British people can't even be criminals in their own country.

:)

 

 

What a ridiculous thing to say. What the hell does "true british people" mean?? Does it mean some guy related to the Queen has committed a crime but it's ok, he don't need to be charge because he is "TRUE BRITISH"

What a ridiculous thing to say. What the hell does "true british people" mean?? Does it mean some guy related to the Queen has committed a crime but it's ok, he don't need to be charge because he is "TRUE BRITISH"

 

erm... kate... he was being sarcastic :)

What a ridiculous thing to say. What the hell does "true british people" mean?? Does it mean some guy related to the Queen has committed a crime but it's ok, he don't need to be charge because he is "TRUE BRITISH"

No, i think he means 'True British' as in born in Britain and with a few generations of British heritage.

erm... kate... he was being sarcastic :)

 

Can't really tell with him. He seems too serious most of the time.

The article says "convicted or charged". As the people who have been charged but not convicted remain innocent under the law, they should not be included in the figures.

Edited April 14, 200817 yr by Suedehead2

Well the people that usually argue this kinda stuff exaggerate so much that you'd think more than 1 in 5 of this country's population weren't born here anyway... :rolleyes:

Sorry to sound harsh, but So fukkin' what?? That simply means (and frankly, I very much dispute these figures seeing as how the vast majority of crime is committed by indigenous Brits, and the indigenous Chavs are a much bigger source of problems within our society than Immigrants and asylum seekers are as far as I'm concerned...

 

What's Rob's argument then..? Basically, he's implying that it's somehow a lesser crime if it's committed by an "indigenous Brit". Utter sh!te... Sorry, but if I'm mugged somebody in the streets I'm not gonna think "oh well, it's not that bad to be beaten up and have my wallet nicked by an indigenous white Brit. Just so long as it aint one of these 'Johnny Foreigners'". Absolute nonsense, I dont give a sh!t if the mugger's from Tiverton or Timbuktu, I want the fukker to go to prison, full stop... It really is getting to a ridiculous level of bigotry and ignorance in this country to have this ludicrous assumption that crime is somehow a bit less of a social ill if it's done by the indigenous population... It's a bit like all these t/ossers who go on about the likes of the Krays, saying that they were "decent blokes really", and not the pestillant criminal scum who leeched off of the ordinary working classes through their "protection rackets" that they were.... <_<

 

Crims are crims. No one type of criminal is any better or worse than the other, regardless of where they come from.....

The article says "convicted or charged". As the people who have been charged but not convicted remain innocent under the law, they should not be included in the figures.

 

Absolutely... Charged is certainly not the same thing as being convicted, so the data's fundamentally flawed from the get-go....

 

The Torygraph, as usual, presenting flawed, innaccurate or downright biased materials as empirical facts....

 

But then, this is the paper that's running the " WE LOVE MAGGIE!! GAWD BLESS HER" series of articles innit....? -_-

 

it aint as black and white as that though.... the world is an unfair place and 'johnny foreigner' WILL be chided more then a natural chav, thats a simple fact of life. and just because we have our own brit born scum doesnt excuse VISITORS here mis-behaving.

 

very very interesting point raised from last nights dispatches on ch4, one person who had been in the anti nazi league, whod marched in protest against racism , now says that theres alot of immigration from countries where the law isnt respected and crime is inherant. these people are coming here and still act like they do when they were in the country of origin, total disrespect for the law. surely when someone choses to come here to live they do so by accepting this countries laws.

 

yep, thats 'unfair' in as much that any incomer must accept this whilst british born crims just grow up here without having to formaly accept the laws. c'est la vie.

 

another point.... this terrorist guy (dunno his name) cannot be deported from this country dispite his involvement in 'anti british' activities. this tw@t now lives here, plotting against 'us' whilst living on OUR FCUKIN BENEFITS... HOW TF DOES THAT WORK?

 

crims should be deported, and yes id deport our crims too if we could.

it aint as black and white as that though.... the world is an unfair place and 'johnny foreigner' WILL be chided more then a natural chav, thats a simple fact of life. and just because we have our own brit born scum doesnt excuse VISITORS here mis-behaving.

 

Yeah, it's unfair because there are too many people with NARROW MINDED attitudes like yours in the world mate..... <_< It's ignorance and bigotry that causes that, it's not 'natural' nor a 'fact of life', nor should it be considered as such.. Racism and bigotry is TAUGHT (by our families, by the media, by the education system, by Politicians...), it's not hardwired into our genes......

 

Sounds to me like people like you want to go back to a time where idiots put "No Blacks, No Irish, No Dogs" in guest house windows mate.... Oh, of course, we'd just replace the "Irish" with "Polish" wouldn't we....?

 

I aint excusing visitors misbehaving, I just dont see the need to accentuate the fact that some might be criminals any more than some of 'our own' might be criminals.....

 

And I stand totally by what I say - our own Chavs are a bigger problem to our society than any immigrant community no matter where they're from.

very very interesting point raised from last nights dispatches on ch4, one person who had been in the anti nazi league, whod marched in protest against racism , now says that theres alot of immigration from countries where the law isnt respected and crime is inherant.

 

Such as...? Any examples given...? Sounds like utter bollocks to me... I cant think of a nation so completely lawless or without any kind of rules or customs witin a society.. It surely wouldn't even be able to function if there were no rules at all......

 

Depends on whose law, or whose rules it is you're talking about surely....

 

i agree that our chavs are a bigger problem, but thats a different topic.

 

the point here though is that a huge percentage of migrants are being involved in crime. so all the extra legal procedure is being paid for by..... us. plus it smacks the face of the 'immigration is all good for the uk' brigade.

 

immigration is a big enough problem as it is without the decent law abiding migrants being tarnished by the scum that accompanies them.