Posted March 13, 200619 yr Got it today and on first listen I'd say it's a good album :cheer: the best tracks being Sleep Well Tonight, Build An Army and Grand Unification Pt II. But I must ask what have they done to Lost Like Tears In Rain :cry: The EP version was much better :( Overall though I'd give it around 8/10 :D
March 13, 200619 yr Woo! :cheer: Yup, I got it too, along with a few others... it was the second in the stereo, and bloody hell, it's just as good as I was expecting. Just as Rock Sound said in their review: "The CD spins on. Soon you realise that there isn't going to be a dip in quality, and that's that: the past is rendered irrelevant and stupid, and Charlie's a bloody hero". :dance:
March 13, 200619 yr Author Woo! :cheer: Yup, I got it too, along with a few others... it was the second in the stereo, and bloody hell, it's just as good as I was expecting. Just as Rock Sound said in their review: "The CD spins on. Soon you realise that there isn't going to be a dip in quality, and that's that: the past is rendered irrelevant and stupid, and Charlie's a bloody hero". :dance: I have to agree :cheer:
March 17, 200619 yr Author It's not in the top 20 album mids now :( However it'll still DEFINITELY do better than Son Of Dork :cheer:
March 20, 200619 yr It's not in the top 20 album mids now :( However it'll still DEFINITELY do better than Son Of Dork :cheer: son of dork :puke2: :puke2: :puke2:
March 20, 200619 yr Why the hell are people (and the likes of Rock Sound who should bloody know better...) praising this bunch of mediocre Nirvana/Ash copycats....? <_< They are utter $h!tE!!!! Charlie has no credibility as a supposed "rock star"....
March 20, 200619 yr Author Nirvana/Ash? :rofl: They're not original but I wouldn't say they're Nirvana or Ash copycats. :lol: Charlie has gained a HELL of a lot of respect from people and most seemed to have stopped jus ignoring him because of the whole Busted thing ^_^ I never thought he would do it but he did, I never thought I'd see him on the front of Kerrang! but there it is on the desk right next to me. :D I got the album last week and it's certainly one of the post-hardcore albums I've heard in a while. :cheer:
March 20, 200619 yr Sorry mate, to these ears that's exactly what they are - Grunge-Lite.... I'm not at all surprised that they're on the front cover of Kerrang!! - that rag lost all credibility back in the late 90s when it started putting the likes of Linkin Park and Limp Dick on their front covers... The REAL Hard Rock/Metal mags (Metal Hammer, Terrorizer) won't touch Fightstar with a bargepole....
March 20, 200619 yr I was a bit sceptical when I first heard (way back before Busted split) that he was in what was supposed to be a 'proper' band, but that was all blown away when I actually heard them. I dunno, maybe I'm just more inclined to focus on the music rather than who's doing it or how credible it is among smug elitists.
March 20, 200619 yr Author I dunno, maybe I'm just more inclined to focus on the music rather than who's doing it or how credible it is among smug elitists. That's EXACTLY what I'm like ;)
March 21, 200619 yr I was a bit sceptical when I first heard (way back before Busted split) that he was in what was supposed to be a 'proper' band, but that was all blown away when I actually heard them. I dunno, maybe I'm just more inclined to focus on the music rather than who's doing it or how credible it is among smug elitists. Wot? You think I aint actually listened to them??? I did, and it was frankly painful to my aural nerves... I'd've loved to have been proven wrong and that Charlie from Busted could've come up with something of actual worth, but then I actually heard them and knew that I was right, like I said, Grunge Lite.... And if that makes me a 'smug elitist', then I'm bloody proud of the fact....
March 21, 200619 yr I wasn't necessarily referring to you with the 'smug elitist' comment, but never mind. So in response to your previous questions/statements/etc... people are praising them because they like them, it really doesn't matter whether or not they're 'credible' or whether the 'real' magazines are interested in them, it doesn't matter whether they're 'grunge-lite' (which, last time I checked they're nowhere near) or Ash/Nirvana copyists (which again, they're nowhere near) - I like it, other people like it, so there must be some merit to it. Everyone's entitled to their opinions, yada yada, everyone goes home happy.
March 21, 200619 yr Well, lots of people like Westlife, Britney and that bloody 'Chico Time' piece of crap as well, I doubt you'd be willing to make a case for any of them though..... I question just how many are listening to Fightstar purely because it's 'Charlie from Busted' and not for the actual music itself..... And you are of course right - they're nowhere near Grunge or Nirvana/Ash, but I'm willing to bet it was exactly that sort of sound and level that Charlie was aiming for. But of course, as you say - and I agree - they are nowhere near the standard of either band..... Like it or not Jono, credibility is a vital thing for a Rock band to have, it's what separates 'Rock' from 'Pop'. I had no real problem with Busted, I mean - I didnt actually like them musically, but I had no real beef - because they knew their limitations, they knew they were just some bubblegum pop band, but Fightstar has these pretentions of being some credible RAWWWWWK band, and, sorry, they come up very short indeed IMO. It's really quite pathetic when Pop Stars try to cross over and get some 'cred', which is exactly what Charlie is attempting to do - it's almost as ludicrous as Dani Filth suddenly becoming a Will Young/Gareth Gates style pop act..... I put Fightstar in the same category as The Darkness - faux Rock.....
March 21, 200619 yr I didn't say they're nowhere near the standard of Nirvana and Ash, I said they're nowhere near the sound of Nirvana and Ash. I might be wrong, but I think if you look at it historically, Charlie was in Fightstar and similar bands before he started in Busted - it's much more his thing than Busted ever was, and so I don't see how he can be accused of 'crossing over' now, surely he did that when he joined Busted? And, well, I don't think they're all that interested in credibility, they're just another band putting out their music to people who want it, I don't see what the problem is with that. Oh, and... no, I really doubt that's the sound he was after, it's quite obvious (to me at least) that he was after the sound of the sort of post-hardcore bands he's a massive fan of. I think he's pulled that off brilliantly. Edited March 21, 200619 yr by Jono
March 21, 200619 yr I didn't say they're nowhere near the standard of Nirvana and Ash, I said they're nowhere near the sound of Nirvana and Ash. I might be wrong, but I think if you look at it historically, Charlie was in Fightstar and similar bands before he started in Busted - it's much more his thing than Busted ever was, and so I don't see how he can be accused of 'crossing over' now, surely he did that when he joined Busted? And, well, I don't think they're all that interested in credibility, they're just another band putting out their music to people who want it, I don't see what the problem is with that. Oh, and... no, I really doubt that's the sound he was after, it's quite obvious (to me at least) that he was after the sound of the sort of post-hardcore bands he's a massive fan of. I think he's pulled that off brilliantly. So what you're saying is that he sold out his musical principles to make a fast pop buck with Busted and now he wants us to just forget all that by saying "hey, honestly this is what I was into all along, that Busted thing was just arsing around..', hmmmm, fail to see how that's making him actually sound any better....In fact, makes him a gutless tw@t who didnt have the balls to stick to his guns... Man, wake up - Busted were finished and he just needed another bandwagon to jump on.... I actually had more respect for him when he was just a Pop Star....
March 21, 200619 yr So what you're saying is that he sold out his musical principles to make a fast pop buck with Busted I look at it more as being astute enough to do something that, although potentially ruinous to his credibility, would get him a leg-up in the industry. But yeah. ;) Given that he was playing the toilet circuit with Fightstar long before Busted finished, I don't see how he can be accused of bandwagon jumping. Look, I'm not some stupid little kid that can easily be patronised, I do rather know what I'm talking about. But regardless of any of that, it doesn't really matter, since nobody's proclaimed it to be the most original or credible thing in the world, all we've said is that we like it. Whether or not you like it is up to you, but I don't see why we shouldn't be allowed to. Edited March 21, 200619 yr by Jono
March 21, 200619 yr Author Busted could have gone on for AT LEAST another couple of years as I wouldn't say that quitting straight after an Arena tour is when they were finished. :lol: I saw them just under a year before he quit Busted after I managed to find out about them and found how good I thought they were. He made it obvious what he really liked during that time anyway considering he was seeing wearing t-shirts from bands like Sonic Youth and he called his rabbit Biffy after Biffy Clyro. :lol:
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