For people to suggest that teachers start at 9am is ridiculous to the extreme.

 

Exactly.... Also to suggest that they leave work before 5 or 6pm most nights (and sometimes later in my friend's case...), or that they get the 13 weeks school holidays all to themselves (again, my friend is lucky if she gets about 3/4 weeks off a year...) is ridiculous too....

 

A lot of people spout a lot of sh!t about the teaching profession, they only think of it in terms of the actual teaching hours, well, that's only about half of what teachers do (probably less...), the amount of paperwork teachers have to deal with is unreal, it makes the bureaucracy that Police officers have to deal with look pretty light by comparison...

 

Teaching is one of the cushiest jobs there is. No risks either. Now police, firemen and nurses deserve a lot more money.

No-one is suggesting that teaching is a dangerous job, Chris.

 

But you're so SO wrong if you think it's cushy. I bet you wouldn't make it through one academic year as a teacher, if that's your attitude to everyone. They'd eat you alive if you think it's so damn easy.

Teaching is one of the cushiest jobs there is. No risks either. Now police, firemen and nurses deserve a lot more money.

 

You are talking such complete nonsense with this post I cant even believe it.... A CUSHY job?? No risks...??? Tell that to the ever growing army of teachers who are assaulted and in some cases RAPED by pupils, as well as being threatened and assaulted by Chav scum parents who take exception to teachers actually DOING THEIR BLOODY JOBS AND DISCIPLINING THEIR LITTLE FERAL BRAT OFFSPRING!!!! Serious assaults on teachers have gone up by unimaginable levels in the past 15 years.... This post is almost as insulting to the intelligence as Craig's "let's sterilize the Palestinians" post... Have you forgotten about the stabbing of Headmaster Philip Lawrence????? You utter SPOON!!!!! <_< <_<

 

Just because teachers in your quiet little suburban, middle-class corner of the world dont have this trouble, and all the children are little darlings, dont imagine FOR A SECOND that this is the experience for the majority of teachers teaching in run-down inner-city schools which are being left behind.... You just dont have a clue mate.... I've got mates teaching in North London (Kentish Town), and their job is FAR from "cushy"......

But you're so SO wrong if you think it's cushy. I bet you wouldn't make it through one academic year as a teacher, if that's your attitude to everyone. They'd eat you alive if you think it's so damn easy.

 

Spot on Andrew... But it does have the potential to be incredibly dangerous - look at what happened to Phillip Lawrence who stood up to a bunch of scum bullying a couple of the kids under his care.... And assaults and threats on teachers is growing at a pretty alarming level mate, believe me... A female friend of mine who teaches in a secondary school in Kentish Town was threatened with sexual assault by a 16-year old pupil, she's about 5'2", he was almost SIX FOOT and built like a brick sh!thouse, there would've been absolutely NOTHING she would've been able to do to prevent him from raping her. Thankfully the little b/astard got expelled and his parents moved him out of the area....

You are talking such complete nonsense with this post I cant even believe it.... A CUSHY job?? No risks...??? Tell that to the ever growing army of teachers who are assaulted and in some cases RAPED by pupils, as well as being threatened and assaulted by Chav scum parents who take exception to teachers actually DOING THEIR BLOODY JOBS AND DISCIPLINING THEIR LITTLE FERAL BRAT OFFSPRING!!!! Serious assaults on teachers have gone up by unimaginable levels in the past 15 years.... This post is almost as insulting to the intelligence as Craig's "let's sterilize the Palestinians" post... Have you forgotten about the stabbing of Headmaster Philip Lawrence????? You utter SPOON!!!!! <_< <_<

 

Just because teachers in your quiet little suburban, middle-class corner of the world dont have this trouble, and all the children are little darlings, dont imagine FOR A SECOND that this is the experience for the majority of teachers teaching in run-down inner-city schools which are being left behind.... You just dont have a clue mate.... I've got mates teaching in North London (Kentish Town), and their job is FAR from "cushy"......

 

 

Balance that against 13 weeks holiday a year and 6 hour days though. Name me any other job that gets a quarter of the year off. You can't. If you'd read the BBC site's comments pages when there was the strike a lot said the same as me. So it's a widely held view in society, especially about the holidays. Oh some teachers' spouses and teachers themselves were posting saying it was rubbish but as one guy said "they would wouldn't they"

Edited May 22, 200817 yr by Crazy Chris

Balance that against 13 weeks holiday a year and 6 hour days though. Name me any other job that gets a quarter of the year off. You can't. If you'd read the BBC site's comments pages when there was the strike a lot said the same as me. So it's a widely held view in society, especially about the holidays. Oh some teachers' spouses and teachers themselves were posting saying it was rubbish but as one guy said "they would wouldn't they"

 

6 hours a day?.... m8, you are really showing your ignorance here... most i know work double that, preperation and marking at home.

 

13 weeks off?.... again alot of that time is either spent in preperation or is making up for the hours UNPAID work they do at home/after school.

 

of course if it was THAT cushy, we would all be doing it wouldnt we!!!!

How am I ignorant for having an opinion that many others have too? We live in a Democracy and my opinion that teachers are overpaid and get too many holidays is as valid as other opinions.

No-one's having a go because you have an opinion. But, what you're saying is blatant ignorance of the FACTS that teachers do NOT work the hours you're saying they do, and thus your opinions are, in my view, invalid. If you honestly, HONESTLY believe that teachers sit on their backside 13 weeks of the year, and do nothing after 3pm, you're absolutely ludicrous, and I shan't credit your posts with any worth in the future.

 

I don't think you're revealing any groundbreaking news in saying that teaching isn't widely praised in society. But I can guarantee you that everyone on the comments board saying how easy it is are those who've never done it. It's easy to criticise when you're an armchair spectator and you don't have to go into the ring and fight. And just because people on the BBC comments board say it, it doesn't make it true, it's the tyranny of the majority mate.

Balance that against 13 weeks holiday a year and 6 hour days though. Name me any other job that gets a quarter of the year off. You can't. If you'd read the BBC site's comments pages when there was the strike a lot said the same as me. So it's a widely held view in society, especially about the holidays. Oh some teachers' spouses and teachers themselves were posting saying it was rubbish but as one guy said "they would wouldn't they"

 

We live in a Democracy and my opinion that teachers are overpaid and get too many holidays is as valid as other opinions.

 

Of course you are entitled to your opinion. And as everyone has been to school everyone seems to have strong opinions about schools and teachers.

 

 

But if teaching is so cushy, if it is over paid for 6 hours a say, 38 weeks a year? Why do we have a desperate shortage of teachers???

 

Why aren't you a teacher?

 

At the risk of repeating myself ....

 

I agree I am well paid but I earn every penny!

 

but, to be perfectly honest, with my qualifications I could get a much better paid job.

 

Next week is half term, of the 4 days 'holiday' (1 is a bank holiday) I shall be in school for 2 days. I also have a box of paperwork and 'stuff' to do at home that will fill another day.

 

I have so far this week, in 4 days, been IN school for 43 hours .... add another 9 for today.

 

but I chose to work hard.

 

I will agree that, unfortunately, there are some teachers out there who are doing it for the 'holidays'.

There are some teachers out there that are not doing the children in their care justice.

 

But this happens in all professions, there are some nurses out their not puling their weight, their are skiving doctors etc - human nature.

 

How am I ignorant for having an opinion that many others have too? We live in a Democracy and my opinion that teachers are overpaid and get too many holidays is as valid as other opinions.

 

"living in a democracy" or whatever DOES NOT entitle you to rubbish the professionalism and hard work of teachers... You're ignorant because your laughable opinions have been shot down in utter flames WITH FACTS and you seem not to accept this - THAT is what makes you ignorant mate, a total lack of ability to admit that you are wrong in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary... ICR is a teacher, I myself know people who are teachers.. We are TELLING YOU about actual experiences, and you just don't seem to get it....

 

I can't believe that you are actually basing your "evidence" on what a bunch of tw@ts on the BBC forum are spouting instead of actually talking to teachers yourself... Just because it's the Beeb Forum, that gives it any more authority than, say the Mirror or the Sun Forum does it...? Please....

of course if it was THAT cushy, we would all be doing it wouldnt we!!!!

 

Exactly... As it is, there is a serious shortage of teachers in the country...

 

...Cos it's such an easy job innit...? -_-

 

 

 

I haven't rubbished the professionalism of teachers. Where did I do that? I never rubbished the work they do whilst they're actually in the classroom. I actually do know a teacher. My first cousin's one. We fell out though years' ago as I was fed up of her moaning about her job and told her she should be thankful of all the holidays she gets. So I'm not speaking withot knowing anything about the profession.

Edited May 23, 200817 yr by Crazy Chris

Oh and if there was a national poll with the simple question "do teachers get too many holidays" I bet you an overwhelming majority of the general public would say yes.

Oh and if there was a national poll with the simple question "do teachers get too many holidays" I bet you an overwhelming majority of the general public would say yes.

 

Well, of course they would, because the overwhelming majority of the public are ignorant of what teachers actually do.. Sorry, mate the sort of sh!te you and others are spouting about teachers is exactly the same as saying that all fire-fighters do most of the time is sit around the station playing cards and rescuing puppies or kittens, or all the police do most of the time is help old ladies across roads and give tourists directions, and say "ello, ello ello" all the time..... GARBAGE......

 

It's called "false perception" and "stereotyping", and it's created by the media, by politicians (who have a bloody nerve themselves considering the cushy number they have..). I dont know of ANY teacher who has a 6 hour day or 13 weeks holiday... Do you actually know any teachers yourself..? If not, then you aint qualified to talk about the subject or make ludicrous assumptions based on NO EVIDENCE......

 

I haven't rubbished the professionalism of teachers. Where did I do that? I never rubbished the work they do whilst they're actually in the classroom. I actually do know a teacher. My first cousin's one. We fell out though years' ago as I was fed up of her moaning about her job and told her she should be thankful of all the holidays she gets. So I'm not speaking withot knowing anything about the profession.

 

If you spouted the sort of sh!t to me about my job (of which you know little...), I'd probably fall out with you myself.. No wonder she doesn't talk to you if you're so unbelievably dismissive of her and the work she does....

 

scotts beat me too this....

 

chris..... teachers do not work 6 hours a day, they do not get 13 weeks holiday, thats just what their contract says but in the real world the vast majority of teachers work far longer hours... they attend unpaid meetings, they are unpaid for working at home , marking, often until late at night. they run after school activities...unpaid, they will be 'in' next week preparing work...

 

this is the REALITY of a teachers life, they DONT get chance to work only 6 hours a day, they dont get the chance to have 13 weeks holiday, that is the truth of it and anyone who doesnt accept this lifestyle is real is ignorant.

 

as for 'opinions'.... just because the majority of the public think they have a cushy number doesnt make it a FACT.

 

this notion held by many (especially religious types) that an opinion = fact/truth is WRONG. opinion doesnt make anything 'the truth', opinion is opinion, not necessarily fact.

 

its worrying that 'opinion' and 'truth' are getting confused.

scotts beat me too this....

 

chris..... teachers do not work 6 hours a day, they do not get 13 weeks holiday, thats just what their contract says but in the real world the vast majority of teachers work far longer hours... they attend unpaid meetings, they are unpaid for working at home , marking, often until late at night. they run after school activities...unpaid, they will be 'in' next week preparing work...

 

this is the REALITY of a teachers life, they DONT get chance to work only 6 hours a day, they dont get the chance to have 13 weeks holiday, that is the truth of it and anyone who doesnt accept this lifestyle is real is ignorant.

 

as for 'opinions'.... just because the majority of the public think they have a cushy number doesnt make it a FACT.

 

this notion held by many (especially religious types) that an opinion = fact/truth is WRONG. opinion doesnt make anything 'the truth', opinion is opinion, not necessarily fact.

 

its worrying that 'opinion' and 'truth' are getting confused.

 

The fact that he was so dismissive of the one teacher that he did know, and was probably trying to point out to him that teachers don't get all this holiday a year, and don't work six hour days, he just dismissed as a "moaner" and fell out with.... Says it all really.....

 

I used to think along the same lines as Chris, but then my friends who are teachers put me straight on the facts of the job.... It's not "moaning" at all when people are try to give you the facts and shake you out of a false perception, funnily enough, it's called "education".....

 

And he hasn't even attempted to address the facts that teachers these days are increasingly becoming targets for threats and assaults from pupils and chavvy parents.... What happened to Philip Lawrence is the most publicised example, but there are FAR more cases of threats and assaults upon teachers which go unreported in the media, depressingly this is not a freak occurrence... The example I gave of my friend being threatened with sexual assault really brought home to me just how potentially dangerous the job has become.... Unlike police, teachers dont get issued with pepper spray, stab vests, handcuffs and truncheons.....

The fact that he was so dismissive of the one teacher that he did know, and was probably trying to point out to him that teachers don't get all this holiday a year, and don't work six hour days, he just dismissed as a "moaner" and fell out with.... Says it all really.....

 

I used to think along the same lines as Chris, but then my friends who are teachers put me straight on the facts of the job.... It's not "moaning" at all when people are try to give you the facts and shake you out of a false perception, funnily enough, it's called "education".....

 

And he hasn't even attempted[i/] to address the facts that teachers these days are increasingly becoming targets for threats and assaults from pupils and chavvy parents.... What happened to Philip Lawrence is the most publicised example, but there are FAR more cases of threats and assaults upon teachers which go unreported in the media, depressingly this is not a freak occurrence... The example I gave of my friend being threatened with sexual assault really brought home to me just how potentially dangerous [i/]the job has become.... Unlike police, teachers dont get issued with pepper spray, stab vests, handcuffs and truncheons.....

 

Do you know someone in every profession? :P

 

Just to clarify I haven't had time to read the whole thread, so I will apologise to you Scott if I have missed this point. On the first page it says about the teachers strike is for money, yet you are saying about how dangerous the job has become. Now, is this the actual reason for the strike or even part of it or is it just for the pay rise?

Edited May 23, 200817 yr by MUSHYMANROB

Do you know someone in every[i/] profession? :P

 

Just to clarify I haven't had time to read the whole thread, so I will apologise to you Scott if I have missed this point. On the first page it says about the teachers strike is for money, yet you are saying about how dangerous the job has become. Now, is this the actual reason[i/] for the strike or even part of it or is it just for the pay rise?

 

What people are saying is that teachers deserve the pay rise because they're doing a job which they spend as much time away from their place of work working on as they do there. Like footballers don't get paid to play for an hour and a half each week, they also train 5 days a week but they're KNOWN for their weekly game, teaching has a lot of behind-the-scenes work which people don't take any notice of, and so deserve the money they're paid.

 

The thread has developed from simply 'should teachers have more money' to a discussion about teachers as a whole :)