Posted May 27, 200619 yr http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a320/e-motion2/BuzzJack/Timor55.jpg with all the total unrest and choas in East Timor, do you think independence for this small country was such a bad idea or do you think it was so need to get away from Indonesia (who had taken over the place year previously)? would the situation be better under occupation?
May 27, 200619 yr Tigerboy, I don't have the slightest idea about the history of this area, so anything I may say would be a wild guess. I reackon most people would be in the same situation. Can you update us on what happened in the past?
May 27, 200619 yr Ooh this is mentioned in Shakira's song "Timor" awesome song!!! :cheer: I was gonna say maybe the song might be about the country, as she goes east timor, timor, timor
May 27, 200619 yr I was gonna say maybe the song might be about the country, as she goes east timor, timor, timor Yeah it must be, I always thought she was saying "it's Timor" but the lyrics were just a bit ****ed in the inlay.
May 27, 200619 yr Yeah it must be, I always thought she was saying "it's Timor" but the lyrics were just a bit ****ed in the inlay. yea well i cant think of any lyrics that relate to the country except it's about people in timor
May 27, 200619 yr yeah its about east timor. I think they woyuld be much better as there own country, but then again being under occupation would save all the people dying. indonesia claim to be fighting for democracy, but they are just destroying the lives of a small country. Meanwhile nobody like the U.S or the Uk wil help them because we have bigger things to worry about apparantly like Iraq -_- the real people who suffer are the regular people like us who suffer the most. ''how about the people that dont matter anymore?''
May 27, 200619 yr yeah its about east timor. I think they woyuld be much better as there own country, but then again being under occupation would save all the people dying. indonesia claim to be fighting for democracy, but they are just destroying the lives of a small country. Meanwhile nobody like the U.S or the Uk wil help them because we have bigger things to worry about apparantly like Iraq -_- the real people who suffer are the regular people like us who suffer the most. ''how about the people that dont matter anymore?'' ahh i thought so! also, what about: "for our flag we die or kill" ?
May 27, 200619 yr I think that line is probably about the U.S: people are really patriotic in the U.S and some are stupid enough to kill 'for the flag' which means that something as stupid as a flag practically controls these people. But the next line 'as long as they dont know they do it just to pay the bills' basically the only reason they do it is to earn a wage, which is her way of saying that they may think they are supporting the nation, but at the end of the day all they are doing is earning money for themselves.
May 27, 200619 yr I think that line is probably about the U.S: people are really patriotic in the U.S and some are stupid enough to kill 'for the flag' which means that something as stupid as a flag practically controls these people. But the next line 'as long as they dont know they do it just to pay the bills' basically the only reason they do it is to earn a wage, which is her way of saying that they may think they are supporting the nation, but at the end of the day all they are doing is earning money for themselves. I wouldn't go so far as kill, but if I saw someone burning the Union Jack somewhere I would totally flip -_- on the news when Iraqis burn flags I've only seen them burning American ones so I haven't had to yet! :lol:
May 27, 200619 yr exactly :lol: but some americans are so patriotic they actually would kill if someone defaced their flag, which is pointless imo -_-
May 27, 200619 yr just in case anybody wants the history of Timor 1600s - Portuguese invade Timor, set up trading post and use island as source of sandalwood. 1749 - Timor split following battle between Portuguese and Dutch. Portuguese take the eastern half. Xanana Gusmao: Former guerrilla leader and first president Captured by Indonesian forces in 1992 and jailed Released in February 1999, returned from exile in October 1999 Won presidential elections in 2002 2002: BBC interviews new president 1942 - Japanese invade, fighting battles with Australian troops. Up to 60,000 East Timorese are killed. Japan in control until 1945. 1974 - Anti-Fascist revolution in Portugal leads to promise to free colonies, encouraging parties to prepare for new future. 1975 August - Portuguese administration withdraws to offshore island of Atauro. 1975 October - Five foreign journalists killed along border with West Timor, allegedly by Indonesian troops. 1975 November - After brief civil war, Fretilin (Revolutionary Front for an Independent East Timor) declares East Timor independent. 1975 December - Indonesia invades, using its fight against communism as a pretext. It annexes territory as its 27th province, a move not recognised by the UN. Strong resistance to Indonesian rule followed by repression and famine in which 200,000 people are thought to have died. 1981 - Xanana Gusmao becomes leader of Falintil (Armed Forces of National Liberation of East Timor), the armed wing of Fretilin. Bishop Belo: Spiritual leader and Nobel peace laureate Born in 1948 1975-1983: Exiled in Portugal and Italy 1996: Awarded Nobel Peace Prize jointly with Ramos Horta 1999: Timorese spiritual leader returns home 1991 - Santa Cruz cemetery massacre in which troops fire on mourners at a funeral in Dili of Fretilin supporter, killing more than 100 people. 1992 - Setback for the resistance as Gusmao is captured near Dili. In 1993 he is convicted of subversion and given a life sentence which is later reduced. 1993 - Groups of East Timorese enter foreign embassies in Jakarta over the next few years seeking political asylum. 1995 - 20th anniversary of the Indonesian invasion marked by protest by 112 East Timorese and sympathisers who enter Russian and Dutch embassies in Jakarta. 1996 - Acting Bishop of Dili, Carlos Belo, and resistance leader Jose Ramos Horta jointly awarded Nobel Peace Prize, raising international awareness of the East Timorese independence struggle. 1998 - Indonesian President Suharto resigns. Replaced by Habibie who suggests territory may be given special status within Indonesia. Indonesia's grip loosens 1999 January - Indonesia says it will consider independence for East Timor if people reject autonomy. Exiled resistance leader Jose Ramos Horta returned in 1999 Born in 1949 1975-1999: Exiled in US, Australia 1996: Awarded Nobel Peace Prize jointly with Bishop Belo 1999: Exiled leader returns to Timor 1999: BBC interview with Jose Ramos Horta 1999 February-April - Gusmao moved from Jakarta prison to house arrest. In response to increasing violence by anti-independence activists, Gusmao orders guerrillas to resume independence struggle. 1999 May - Indonesia, Portugal sign agreement to allow East Timorese to vote on their future. Deal endorsed by UN. 1999 August 30 - Almost 99% of 450,000-strong electorate votes in UN-organised referendum. 1999 September - Result of referendum shows 78% voters favoured independence. Violence erupts as anti-independence militia helped by the Indonesian military resume campaign of terror, leaving up to 1,000 dead. A quarter of the population flees, mainly to West Timor. Martial law imposed. Gusmao freed. Australian-led peacekeeping force arrives, gradually restores order. Many militia members flee to West Timor to avoid arrest. Indonesian parliament recognises outcome of referendum. Falintil guerrillas in resistance stronghold of Aileu, November 1999 1999 October - Gusmao released. UN Transitional Administration in East Timor (UNTAET) established. 1999 December - International donors at a Tokyo conference agree to provide US $520 million in aid to help rebuild East Timor. 2000 September - UN evacuates staff from West Timor after murder of three refugee agency workers by pro-Indonesian militia gangs. An Indonesian court jails six men for up to 20 months for the killings, earning international outrage for being too lenient. 2001 July - East Timor, Australia sign memorandum of understanding over future revenues from oil, gas fields in Timor Sea under which East Timor would get 90% of revenues. 2001 August - Election of 88-member Constituent Assembly; Fretilin party wins, taking 55 seats. 1999: Habibie agrees to UN peacekeepers 2002: East Timor's UN chief heads home 2002 January - Indonesia inaugurates human rights court to hold military accountable for atrocities in East Timor after 1999 independence vote. 2002 February - East Timor assembly approves draft constitution envisaging government run along parliamentary lines. 2002 February - East Timor and Indonesia sign two agreements aimed at easing relations. 2002 April - Xanana Gusmao wins presidential elections. 2002 20 May - UN Security Council sets up UN Mission of Support in East Timor (Unmiset) to help East Timorese authorities. Independence 2002 20 May - Independence: VIP guests including former US president Bill Clinton and Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri join celebrations in Dili. Indonesian leader's 2005 visit aimed to normalise ties 2005: Indonesia and E Timor heal wounds 2002 September - East Timor becomes 191st member of UN. 2004 January - Portugal announces $63m (50m euros) aid package. 2004 February - Production at offshore gasfield begins; Bayu Undan project is expected to earn $100m a year. 2004 November - End of two-year process under which 18 people were tried by Indonesian court for human rights abuses in East Timor during 1999 independence drive. Only one conviction - that of militia leader Eurico Guterres - is left standing. 2005 April - East Timor, Indonesia sign landmark border agreement during Indonesian President Yudhoyono's first visit to Dili since coming to power. 2005 June - Remaining Australian peacekeepers leave. 2005 August - Truth commission, set up by East Timor and Indonesia, holds its first meeting. The body, which has no power to prosecute, will examine the violence that accompanied East Timor's independence in 1999. Energy deal 2006 January - East Timor, Australia sign a deal to divide billions of dollars in expected revenues from oil and gas deposits in the Timor Sea. Under the agreement, talks on a disputed maritime boundary are postponed. Report on alleged atrocities during Indonesia's 24-year rule is presented to the UN. It finds that the occupation was directly responsible for the deaths of more than 100,000 East Timorese. 2006 May - Foreign troops arrive in Dili to try to restore order as clashes involving former soldiers, who were sacked
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