241. 128 Darius - Colourblind

 

He beat the following 2002 #1s:

 

258. 111 Christina Aguilera ft Redman - Dirrty

290. 98 Will Young - Light My Fire

315. 86 Will Young -Evergreen / Everything Is Possible

325. 83 George Harrison - My Sweet Lord

333. 76 Westlife - World Of Our Own

343. 65 Gareth Gates - Unchained Melody

378. 44 Will Young & Gareth Gates - The Long And Winding Road

391. 18 Blazin' Squad - Crossroads [Third from last]

 

There may be more but I'm not perfect

 

(see http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6892)

Edited May 28, 200619 yr by Tim

I think it is fair to say that Darius has achieved a much higher position in my Record Of the Decade Game.

 

I will reveal the Top50 on Sunday & Monday.

I didn't vote in the number ones after the treatment we got in thisispop's vote and neither did at least 3 other people I know. The bullying tactics worked!

 

Another thing, why Tim do you feel the need to link this with Gareth and Will ? That really gets up my nose.

 

They are three separate artists one of whom I admire totally as an artist and as a person, one of whom I look forward to hearing his future music and one who's commercially more successful, whose voice and music leave me cold. Neither GG nor WY mean any more or any less to me than the thousands of other male and female soloists and groups. If one of their songs touches me personally, I might check out other ones and if i like enough, I buy the album.

 

I personally would be more comfortable if you changed the title of this thread to something more appropriate.

Edited May 27, 200619 yr by Baytree

I didn't vote in the number ones after the treatment we got in your other vote and neither did at least 3 other people I know.

Makes Darius's result all the more impressive then! :cheer:

How many of us did vote in the no.ones poll?

...in Buzzjack's Ultimate #1 poll. Not every single by those artists but some.

 

241. 128 Darius - Colourblind

 

290. 98 Will Young - Light My Fire

315. 86 Will Young -Evergreen / Everything Is Possible

343. 65 Gareth Gates - Unchained Melody

351. 60 Gareth Gates ft The Kumars - Spirit In The Sky

378. 44 Will Young & Gareth Gates - The Long And Winding Road

 

These 'Pop Idol 1' hits are higher:

 

83. 167 Will Young - Leave Right Now

209. 133 Gareth Gates - Anyone Of Us (Stupid Mistake)

 

(see http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=6892)

 

 

I think it is fair to say that Darius has achieved a much higher position in my Record Of the Decade Game.

 

I will reveal the Top50 on Sunday & Monday.

 

I didn't vote in yours Tim - sorry I didn't see it, well I sort of did - but didn't really know what it was all about - now you leave your visiting card, when it's too late though! :D - unlike thisispop ;) :P :D - You can slug it out between ya! in 'ere ;) :D - all I know is #128 isn't nearly good enough for Colourblind regardless of whoever else is in the chart :dance: :D

Edited May 27, 200619 yr by Secret_Song

I think you'll find that it's 241st not 128th. I don't give a jot where either of the other two came!

I didn't vote in yours Tim - sorry I didn't see it, well I sort of did - but didn't really know what it was all about - now you leave your visiting card, when it's too late though! :D - unlike thisispop ;) :P :D - You can slug it out between ya! in 'ere ;) :D - all I know is #128 isn't nearly good enough for Colourblind regardless of whoever else is in the chart :dance: :D

This is not my poll. Martie and Graham have organised it.

No but you posted the result in here as if it was some sort of continuing Pop idol. The damn thing finished 4 years and 3 months ago!

 

Darius stepped out of any direct competition with the other two when he decided to write his own music. Any success he has had has been on his own talent. He has first writing credit on all of his singles and all tracks bar one on both albums.

Edited May 27, 200619 yr by Baytree

I didn't vote in the number ones after the treatment we got in thisispop's vote and neither did at least 3 other people I know. The bullying tactics worked!

 

Another thing, why Tim do you feel the need to link this with Gareth and Will ? That really gets up my nose.

 

They are three separate artists one of whom I admire totally as an artist and as a person, one of whom I look forward to hearing his future music and one who's commercially more successful, whose voice and music leave me cold. Neither GG nor WY mean any more or any less to me than the thousands of other male and female soloists and groups. If one of their songs touches me personally, I might check out other ones and if i like enough, I buy the album.

 

I personally would be more comfortable if you changed the title of this thread to something more appropriate.

 

I have made the link between Darius, Gareth and Will because they were all on the same series of Pop Idol in direct competition with each other. Darius came third in that contest but his debut single beat both of theirs. I think that's noteworthy.

The title of this thread was the most concise way I could think of to state that Darius has been reasonably successful in this poll: by means of comparison with his previous Pop Idol rivals. 'Darius is #241' would not sound as good and may attract jeers from Darius critics who see it on the Buzzjack main menu.

I'm not going to change the title of the thread because I think the current title will make more posters want to view the thread. I also do not like being spoken to in this way so that does not make feel like being accomodating.

 

I'm sorry if you did not feel welcome to post in the voting thread as all posters should feel welcome to post in all threads. I think a moderator coming into an optional forum and posting good news, and then being criticised for it, would count as 'bullying tactics' too.

 

 

 

 

I'm sorry it was not meant to be a personal attack.

 

I just feel very strongly that it is wrong to link these 3 guys for evermore just because they appeared on a TV show together several years ago.

 

I also very much resent being constantly asked to justify my vote in such polls when other artist's fans are not.

This is not my poll. Martie and Graham have organised it.

 

Oh, I assumed it was your's as you'd come to share the results - Well 'thisispop' promoted his chart better than Martie & Graham did then ;) :D

 

 

I think you'll find that it's 241st not 128th. I don't give a jot where either of the other two came!

 

Ooops :( - it's worse than I thought then :rolleyes: - it might have done a bit better still if I'd known about it and voted ;) :D

 

 

I'm sorry it was not meant to be a personal attack.

 

I just feel very strongly that it is wrong to link these 3 guys for evermore just because they appeared on a TV show together several years ago.

 

I also very much resent being constantly asked to justify my vote in such polls when other artist's fans are not.

 

Cool. Comparing him to Will and Gareth is easy and I think it's going to happen forever. Gary Barlow was always compared to Robbie Williams. Same goes for Blur&Oasis and the Solo Spice Girls. I've edited the title now anyway.

 

It's a shame there were all those arguments in the 'Record of the Decade' thread. I certainly don't want the song to win (as I posted) for various reasons but I quite like it as a song - I voted for it in the 2002 round after all. I do hope all you Darius fans continue to enjoy other forums and have not been put off by all this.

Edited May 28, 200619 yr by Tim

I think it is fair to say that Darius has achieved a much higher position in my Record Of the Decade Game.

 

I will reveal the Top50 on Sunday & Monday.

Even if it comes last in the final, it's still a 200 place improvement.

I've also amended the list so it's the songs from that year he beat, not just the other Idols

I stopped posting in the other forums after the aggro on thisispop's first 2002 vote. I didn't vote again until I was persuaded to in this final and once again it was a most uncomfortable time.

 

Cool. Comparing him to Will and Gareth is easy and I think it's going to happen forever. Gary Barlow was always compared to Robbie Williams. Same goes for Blur&Oasis and the Solo Spice Girls. I've edited the title now anyway.

 

I can see where you're coming from - but it is tiresome though - all 3 are very different artists - I'm glad you've posted the link - I'd rather see it in full context as well really - thanks :)

 

 

It's a shame there were all those arguments in the 'Record of the Decade' thread. I certainly don't want the song to win (as I posted) for various reasons but I quite like it as a song - I voted for it in the 2002 round after all. I do hope all you Darius fans continue to enjoy other forums and have not been put off by all this.

 

I've not voted it in Record of the Decade as my favourite either, but I still voted for it - as I do really like it and think it's a good song. I've just had a look at your vote in there, but I'm not sure why you didn't vote for Colourblind if you like it though? ... is it because there were too many others on the list that you like more - have I grasped that right? - If so, that's fair enough of course :)

 

I think the thing that has got up my nose in those polls, is that it feels like people who voted for Colourblind are challenged by other posters, when that doesn't occur anywhere near so much over peoples' opinions of other songs. I fully accept that some people don't rate Colourblind - but why is there a need to challenge those that do? I also notice that sometimes people don't actually refer to the song, so much as to 'Darius' - as if, it's an issue with voting for Darius per say, rather than an objective view of the song. I just don't understand what the big deal/fuss is - but there usually tends to be one. It can be off-putting when you can't simply vote for something you like, without a fuss - it seems silly and childish to me and it's wearing I suppose :rolleyes: - but I like what I like - all sorts of music/artists; and I'll say so, whatever it is - irrespective of who has a problem with it - I really couldn't care less if other people like what I do or not - so, if I want to vote I will, regardless :)

 

edit: I'm just reading through the Record of the Decade thread, to see what all the bloomin' fuss is about anyway - and I've just come accross your post Tim - where you said this:

 

Oh lord, I hope Darius does not win this.

 

So, now I know what you were referring to - and you do that thing that irritates me too - Make it into a 'Darius thing' - when you've said yourself you actually like the song Colourblind - especially considering you like the song, I just don't get why you felt the need to say that at all :rolleyes:

Edited May 28, 200619 yr by Secret_Song

A ) I'm not sure why you didn't vote for Colourblind if you like it though? ... is it because there were too many others on the list that you like more - have I grasped that right? - If so, that's fair enough of course :)

 

B... So, now I know what you were referring to - and you do that thing that irritates me too - Make it into a 'Darius thing' - when you've said yourself you actually like the song Colourblind - especially considering you like the song, I just don't get why you felt the need to say that at all

 

C ) I really couldn't care less if other people like what I do or not - so, if I want to vote I will, regardless :)

 

 

Yours was quite a long post so I've picked the bits I think I should respond to. Hope that's OK

 

A) That's exactly right. It was one of the 20 best songs from the 2002 list so I gave it some points. When it came to the final however, things became a lot more competitive and there were 20, perhaps 30 songs I liked more. I still 'Colourblind' is a good song. I still give it a spin on Now 53.

 

B... I did not want 'Colourblind' by Darius to win. It was not that I don't like him as a person or an artist, it's just that I didn't want the song to win. That's because it's not my favourite and also because, as you've seen from the thread, Darius is not a very popular artist across the whole forum. I wanted a winner that received votes from different people across all the forums - The Verve could win and they don't have a optional forum full of devoted fans.

It was quite an innocent post - there are ALWAYS posts like this saying people don't want Kelly Clarkson to win whenever there's a contest. And I did apologise:

 

Consider me reproved.

 

If all the Darius fanatics like the song - and I'm sure you do - why shouldn't you vote for it?

My other question to the fans about why they had all given the song 20 points was an attempt to mediate. The arguments between the fans and the not-fans had become very heated and I was trying to deal with things in a more calm way. The two responses I got were great and I think they stopped the arguments getting much worse and eased a lot of people's minds about the 'fairness' of the voting - though I know it must have been frustrating to say why you gave your favourite song the most points.

 

C) I agree with that and I do the same. People's tastes are different. No-one has to justify their tastes on this forum: there are no lab experiments that determine how good a song is anyway.

Edited May 28, 200619 yr by Tim

That's all I want the same right as every other group of fans on buzzjack exercise - to vote for the music which moves me whether it suits the majority or not.

 

6 or 7 of a particular artist's fans put his song on 20 points and no-one questioned their right to do so. It was an entirely different matter when we did.

 

It is wrong that we alone are always picked on and that inevitably suggestions are made that somehow we're cheating by drafting in people or some other kind of underhand tactics .

 

Are we supposed to just accept that we are second class members of buzzjack and semi-disenfranchised?

 

Fans from other forums (Sugababes for example) tend to be more visible in the Lounge and in the Chart forums. That's perhaps why they were not questioned when they voted en masse.

 

I agree with you that is completely unfair that the Darius fans alone were picked on.

 

But some people, myself included, had never knowingly read posts by some of the Darius fans before the voting thread. That might be why the voting was seen as suspicious.

 

You should not be annexed into this forum if you do not want to be.

The more you post in other forums, and the more people get to know, the less likely you are to be poorly treated. Any Darius fans who happen to like Mariah Carey, for example, are always to post in there. Any insulting threads get deleted quickly. I understand though why you may not want to post in other forums now.

 

Though no-one should ever be rude to others on this forum - it sadly happens anyway. I hope you all realise it was not my intention to upset the fans. I apologised for the flippant thing I said about not wanting Darius to win. I posted this news about Darius in the poll as an olive branch but has not gone down too well.

Edited May 28, 200619 yr by Tim