Posted May 24, 200817 yr Do you think Hull will go straight back down again next year? I'm going to be OPTIMISTIC and say that they'll stay up but they need to make a lot of signings next year, there's not many premiership quality players in the Hull team atm, so it'll be interesting who they bring in. They'll need to sign a striker ir Fraizer Campbell goes back to Man Utd (which I think he will do, and then stupidly go out on loan to a another team). I would love them to stay up but it's going to take a lot of signings and some good work by Phil Brown and co. for them to even have a CHANCE of staying up next year.
May 25, 200817 yr You can't really predict anything until signings are made. Realistically the squad they'll be lucky to beat Derby by a clear amount. You only have to look at their front line, when talking about survival it's always about who will get goals, Windass can barely last 2/3 of a game now in the CCC, he's not going to be any better next season, I think Barmby has been passed Premiership quality for a while now (when he played for Forest when we were last in in the CCC he wasn't great), Campbell is on loan and could well go back, already a big loss, Fagan couldn't make any impact at an inbelivably bad Derby team and Folan couldn't make any inpact in a Wigan team who only survivied on the last day. It'll be incredibly tough for anyone to stay up. The Premiership is ridiculously competitive. You've got the 'big four', then the likes of Spurs, Everton, Newcastle, Pompey, Man City and Villa who expect to be in Europe. The likes of Blackburn, Middlesbrough and West Ham who'll be looking to improve, Wigan and Sunderland have got bright young managers who are doing well, they're both steadily improving all the time. And then Bolton and Fulham look like they're finally going somewhere with Megson and Hodgson. Last season Derby spent £15m, Birmingham spent in excess of £20m and Sunderland spent nearly £40m, just on players transfer fees. In order to survive, you have to take a huge gamble, be prepared to spend all your money for getting there and your parachute payments, and even that might backfire. Realistically, if more than one of the three promoted teams survive it will be a HUGE success!
May 25, 200817 yr Yeah it's impossible to predict, but like RFC said you have to gamble a lot to stay in the Premier League as it's a VERY tough league. Hull will have to spend £50 million plus to be able to stay in the EPL imo and a lot of the players they'd bring in would be huge gambles. The likes of Windass and Barmby won't be able to hack it in the EPL imo, but we'll see I guess. Derby struggled so much last year, and the 3 teams that come up will struggle a lot. It's almost impossible to stay up if you don't spend money because the gap between the Championship and EPL is huge. Then you've a gap between the top 4 and all the other teams. If Hull want to stay up then the first they need to do is improve their backline. That'll be the key. They'll need someone who'll be able to get them into double figures in the EPl but strikers are the most expensive players on the market because there's so few of them about that are top notch. Fulham survived this season with what 32 points or something? It'll be incredibley (sp?) close again next season. But West Brom, Stoke and Hull all need to spend 30 million plus (especially the latter two) to have just a slim hop of staying in the EPL.
May 25, 200817 yr Your point on strikers is a good one, but you can buy a good 10+ goal a sesson striker for not much, Marlon Harewood? Scored for West Ham and got 5 for Villa despite only starting once, yet he still managed to score 5 times at an average of 104 minutes per goal. Kenwyne Jones cost Sunderland £5m. Sunderland scored 33 Premiership goals whilst he was there (he only signed after four games so I discounted any goals from those). Of those 33 he scored 7 and assisted 10, that's just over half of all their goals he had a direct hand in. If you can find a striker like that you've done well. But you can spend that much and get a flop too - Marlon King? Diomansy Kamara?
May 25, 200817 yr Your point on strikers is a good one, but you can buy a good 10+ goal a sesson striker for not much, Marlon Harewood? Scored for West Ham and got 5 for Villa despite only starting once, yet he still managed to score 5 times at an average of 104 minutes per goal. Kenwyne Jones cost Sunderland £5m. Sunderland scored 33 Premiership goals whilst he was there (he only signed after four games so I discounted any goals from those). Of those 33 he scored 7 and assisted 10, that's just over half of all their goals he had a direct hand in. If you can find a striker like that you've done well. But you can spend that much and get a flop too - Marlon King? Diomansy Kamara? That's the risk though and it's not just with the smaller clubs too, look at the bigger clubs ala Sheva. Strikers these days are so sought after, and they're so expensive. No-one wants to sell them, and even if they do they're normally ridiculously over-priced. All of the clubs coming up need a striker who can score them 10+ goals a season and they're going to cost at least £5m. Jones was an excellent capture for Sunderland, he's done very well and he can only improve. Only problem then is it's inevitable that a bigger club will come and put in an offer for him. Neither, Hull, Stoke or WBA have any any strikers who'll score them goals in the EPL. WBA have Phillips but i'd be suprised if he did well in the EPL again as he's past it now. It may have to be that Hull for example have to take a major gamble on someone like Trundle, or Blake in the Championship and hope they can keep them up and then look to improve next season. The problem that Hull, WBA and Stoke have too (maybe less so WBA) is their geographical location. If a London, or West England club comes in for a player one of the clubs is looking for then they've had it.
May 25, 200817 yr Whether lots of signings or not, most likely Hull will comes straight back down. I guess they will not sign very many and try it with much of the existing team. Edited May 25, 200817 yr by SkiBaBopBaDopBop
May 25, 200817 yr Simple - No. I reckon Stoke will come back down as well. (Sunderland spent £45 million on players and stayed up, whilst Birmingham and Derby spent less than that BETWEEN THEM and both went down. Do either Hull or Stoke have that much money?) Edited May 25, 200817 yr by DitzyNizzy
May 25, 200817 yr Simple - No. I reckon Stoke will come back down as well. (Sunderland spent £45 million on players and stayed up, whilst Birmingham and Derby spent less than that BETWEEN THEM and both went down. Do either Hull or Stoke have that much money?) Well Sunderland have the luxury of having owners with a lot of money, but if they didn't sign Jones then they'd have gone straight back down imo. He was the difference between them going back down, and staying up. I imagine Hull will have a bit of money to spend, I mean they've managed to climb from Divison 3 to the EPL in 5 years, and there's no way on earth you can do that without without spending A LOT of money.
May 25, 200817 yr It'll be interesting that's for sure, i wouldn't be surprised if both Stoke and Hull stay up and West Brom are the ones that go down tbh :lol: I'll be keeping an eye on all 3 teams to see who they can bring in ^_^
May 28, 200817 yr West Brom have just signed Luke Moore from Villa for £3m - that signing just shows really how hard it's gonna be for the promoted clubs to stay up.
May 28, 200817 yr i think the so called best team outside the Premier League will join Hull and Stoke, in a straight back down through the relegation trapdoor. It will be close, with a few teams struggling keeping them company though.
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