June 13, 200817 yr I've never really been into this mindless, senseless "Hillary Clinton is the devil" thing. She may not be the "devil", but she is a corrupt, two-faced, lying hypocrite who started off by being against the Iraq war and then all of a sudden supported it..... She also sold out her principles on universal health care plans for the US.... And then there's Whitewater, which she basically managed to wriggle her way out of...... No, the whole point is for the US to wipe the slate clean of the past 8 years of lies, deceit, corruption and total mendacity within US politics.... Hillary Clinton is NOT the candidate to do this, because I can't trust her not to be just as corrupt as those we would want to be rid of.....
June 14, 200817 yr I just want gas to be cheap again :cry: Of course I am joking, but our economy needs some major work...McCain is to old and decrepit to realize Bush's politics didn't work out well for our economy. Republicans just bite TBF, I would pick Hillary over any Republican -_-
June 17, 200817 yr McCain is the man that must become President Obama is a fraud, a great orator probably the best political orator since Hitler but absolutely no substance or political experience that makes him qualified to be the most powerful man in the world Obama's political experience is as a JUNIOR SENATOR, the guy is a freshman yet he is going to maybe be trusted with running the biggest economy on earth in the middle of a credit crunch and possible recession ? he is going to maybe be trusted with defending America from terrorists ? he is going to be trusted with protecting global security ? a guy that has 3 years of political experience ? As Richard Littlejohn would say "you couldn't make it up" McCain for President
June 17, 200817 yr McCain is the man that must become President Obama is a fraud, a great orator probably the best political orator since Hitler You're seriously comparing Obama to Hitler...???? If this wasn't such a blatant attempt at a shock tactic that statement would be almost offensive..... McCain is another Dubya in waiting.... He'll drag us into a war in Iran, you seriously want that...?
June 17, 200817 yr You're seriously comparing Obama to Hitler...???? If this wasn't such a blatant attempt at a shock tactic that statement would be almost offensive..... McCain is another Dubya in waiting.... He'll drag us into a war in Iran, you seriously want that...? Merely as orators not as people Hitler while a vile vile man was probably the most outstanding political orator of the last 100 years and Obama as an orator I would say is right up with him as an orator, I am not comparing their personalities or policies merely their ability at making speeches
June 17, 200817 yr You're seriously comparing Obama to Hitler...???? If this wasn't such a blatant attempt at a shock tactic that statement would be almost offensive..... McCain is another Dubya in waiting.... He'll drag us into a war in Iran, you seriously want that...? McCain unlike Bush is a distinguished military man who would not make the same military screw ups as Bush who was a draft dodger who got a cushy job in the Texas national guard McCain is nothing like Bush, McCain has lead the way in the human rights of military and political prisoners, has been the leading advocate of banning torture of suspects, has frequently condemned Guantanamo Bay McCain as a military commander would not make the botch jobs that Bush did
June 17, 200817 yr McCain unlike Bush is a distinguished military man who would not make the same military screw ups as Bush who was a draft dodger who got a cushy job in the Texas national guard McCain is nothing like Bush, McCain has lead the way in the human rights of military and political prisoners, has been the leading advocate of banning torture of suspects, has frequently condemned Guantanamo Bay McCain as a military commander would not make the botch jobs that Bush did He's still a bloody REPUBLICAN though, and, as far as I can see, is America's whole problem..... The REPUBLICANS in general.... Everything that went wrong with America in the past 8 years is down to the REPUBLICAN PARTY AS A WHOLE, not just one individual. Bush had very little involvement in Iraq, the main perpetrators of that mess were Paul Bremer and Donald Rumsfeld
June 17, 200817 yr He's still a bloody REPUBLICAN though, and, as far as I can see, is America's whole problem..... The REPUBLICANS in general.... Everything that went wrong with America in the past 8 years is down to the REPUBLICAN PARTY AS A WHOLE, not just one individual. Bush had very little involvement in Iraq, the main perpetrators of that mess were Paul Bremer and Donald Rumsfeld The problem isn't the Republicans themselves but the fact that Bush was a christian fundamentalist and surrounded himself with similar extreme religious nutjobs, Bush even said in an interview he heard god tell him to invade Iraq so the probem wasn't the party itself but the fact the top table had been hijacked by religious fruitcakes and that won't happen with McCain, the Bush stuff was a religious crusade, a holy war against Islam by christian fundamentalist Bush and McCain is not a particularly religious person so will not surround himself with them. McCain will undoubtedly speak some strong rhetoric in order to get votes from the religious right but that will be soon forgotten when he got into the White House, he is a centrist politician
June 18, 200817 yr I don't think McCain has a chance at all. The polls are slowly moving towards Obama now.
June 18, 200817 yr I don't think McCain has a chance at all. The polls are slowly moving towards Obama now. I still think McCain will win and probably quite easily Obama is merely leading because with the Republican race ending very early on he has had months of column inches in the media and people have been wowed by his speechmaking while McCain has had little or no airtime, that will change when the real race gets started, Obama will be under very strong scrutiny from the McCain camp about his policies and how he is going to fund them and I can see the wheels falling off the bandwagon when people realise that taxes will shoot up under Obama when he has to finance this "need for change" he talks about so smoothly, the time for posturing is over and soon Obama will have to explain where the money is coming from for this change he talks about so yes I see McCain winning this contest Obama is a one trick pony, a brilliant speech maker but his lack of political experience at a volatile time for the world in terms of economy and security is a scary thought
June 18, 200817 yr The problem isn't the Republicans themselves but the fact that Bush was a christian fundamentalist and surrounded himself with similar extreme religious nutjobs, Bush even said in an interview he heard god tell him to invade Iraq so the probem wasn't the party itself but the fact the top table had been hijacked by religious fruitcakes and that won't happen with McCain, the Bush stuff was a religious crusade, a holy war against Islam by christian fundamentalist Bush and McCain is not a particularly religious person so will not surround himself with them. McCain will undoubtedly speak some strong rhetoric in order to get votes from the religious right but that will be soon forgotten when he got into the White House, he is a centrist politician Sorry, don't believe it for a minute.... How does that explain Bush Sr then...? Reagan....? The whole lot of them are a bunch of warped, evil motherfukkers hell bent on a "Pax Americana" as JFK once said - ruling the world through US weapons of war and the military industrial complex, the "New World Order" as Bush Sr himself said... The only time the New World Order got derailed was when Clinton defeated Bush in '92, Gore having the election stolen from him got the train back on the track..... NO Republican can be trusted, the fiasco of the "vote" in November 2000 should be a salutory lesson to every free-thinking, liberty-loving individual in the world..... Mugabe probably has the Republican Party's HQ on speed-dial to get tips from them..... <_< Frankly, I wouldn't be at all suprised if Obama was assassinated by some "lone, angry nut"....
June 18, 200817 yr I don't think McCain has a chance at all. The polls are slowly moving towards Obama now. Reasons why McCain will win 1) He is promising tax cuts while Obama will need to raise taxes to fund his changes 2) Obama is black, there is still a lot of deep rooted racism in America particularly in southern and central states 3) McCain has 20 years of Senate experience and Obama has 3 4) The Republicans will play the Al Qaeda / national security card to scare people off from voting Obama
June 18, 200817 yr Frankly, I wouldn't be at all suprised if Obama was assassinated by some "lone, angry nut".... This bit I agree with for sure, it would not surprise me if the KKK, a Timothy McVeigh type lunatic or even senior figures within his own party would like him bumped off
June 18, 200817 yr 4) The Republicans will play the Al Qaeda / national security card to scare people off from voting Obama Well, they have some nerve doing that seeing as how the Republicans created the conditions for Al Qaeda to flourish in the first place...... <_< As just about ANY person with a brain knows for a fact.....
June 18, 200817 yr This bit I agree with for sure, it would not surprise me if the KKK, a Timothy McVeigh type lunatic or even senior figures within his own party would like him bumped off I was thinking more the Republicans using a KKK patsy to pin the blame on, JFK version 2.0..... They sent thousands of young people to their deaths in Iraq in the name of oil, I somehow doubt they'd shrink at assassinating a political opponent who has openly stated that he wants to put the kibosh on American imperialism in the region.....
June 18, 200817 yr Well, they have some nerve doing that seeing as how the Republicans created the conditions for Al Qaeda to flourish in the first place...... <_< As just about ANY person with a brain knows for a fact..... True but that is what got Bush in again in 2004 Bin Laden's speech supporting John Kerry, Bush making a big issue about national security and spreading fear among the American people I would say it is quite possible that in the run up to the election there is a big CIA authorised anthrax scare or the CIA conveniently uncover a plot to blow up American planes and scare the American people into not voting Obama, politics is a dirty business But in terms of 9/11 that took place under Bush but it had 3/4 years of planning by Al Qaeda so the whole 9/11 thing was planned while Clinton was still in office so Bush can't really be blamed for causing 9/11
June 18, 200817 yr I was thinking more the Republicans using a KKK patsy to pin the blame on, JFK version 2.0..... They sent thousands of young people to their deaths in Iraq in the name of oil, I somehow doubt they'd shrink at assassinating a political opponent who has openly stated that he wants to put the kibosh on American imperialism in the region..... Nah the Republicans wouldn't do that, the outpouring of grief would be so high that a Democrat would win by a landslide with the sympathy vote I would say that Hillary is a far bigger danger to Obama, if reports are correct (Vince Foster for instance) it wouldn't be the first time the Clinton's have had people bumped off and if Obama was killed she would get the nomination
June 18, 200817 yr But in terms of 9/11 that took place under Bush but it had 3/4 years of planning by Al Qaeda so the whole 9/11 thing was planned while Clinton was still in office so Bush can't really be blamed for causing 9/11 Nonsense... AQ's whole ideology began as a reaction to what Dubya's DADDY did in the Gulf in '91.... Christ man, WAKE UP, before this Bin Laden and the CIA were best buddies, he was getting funding for fighting against the Soviets in Afghanistan, like DUUUUUUHHHHHH..... The fukkin' Republicans CREATED The Taliban/Al Qaeda FFS..... <_< ...And, the Bush admin can almost certainly be blamed for ALLOWING 9/11 TO HAPPEN (for which there is a HELL of a lot of evidence)!!!!!!! To justify the continuance of the New World Order's crusade in the Middle East.... Just like Pearl Harbour WAS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN to justify US entry into WW2.....
June 18, 200817 yr Nonsense... AQ's whole ideology began as a reaction to what Dubya's DADDY did in the Gulf in '91.... Christ man, WAKE UP..... ...And, the Bush admin can almost certainly be blamed for ALLOWING 9/11 TO HAPPEN (for which there is a HELL of a lot of evidence)!!!!!!! To justify the continuance of the New World Order's crusade in the Middle East.... Just like Pearl Harbour WAS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN to justify US entry into WW2..... Bin Laden was converted to anti America when Saudi Arabia let America use their soil to attack Iraq but the main reason for 9/11 was America's support of Israel over the Palestinians and Clinton (and indeed Obama recently) was a big supporter of Israel too so he is part culpable for 9/11 9/11 while carried out in 2001 was organised and planned as far back as 1997 which was under Clinton's watch before Bush was even talked about as a Republican candidate let alone elected, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed said that 9/11 was planned for 4 years 9/11 was America's payback from Bin Laden for supporting and arming Israel so ALL presidents were to blame not just Bush
June 18, 200817 yr Nah the Republicans wouldn't do that Why...? Because they're such, fine, upstanding moral people yeah...? :rolleyes: Mind you, I wouldn't put it past Hillary either, she's as crooked as a dog's hind leg.. Which is why I was totally against her being the Democrat nominee..... ...America NEEDS someone like Obama mate, simple as, it NEEDS to wipe the slate clean and begin afresh... I would've rather it was Gore or Howard Dean going up against McCain tbh, but Obama is a young man, visionary, relatively untainted by the corruption in Washington.... He'd get my vote absolutely because the US needs someone like him the same way it needed JFK in the early 60s .....
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