..But anyway regardless of whether or not there IS this evidence, it's still not right for this ad to be pulled when there are clearly adverts with far more offensive subtexts out there.....

 

I mean, should the sexual exploitation of women be considered "natural" or "mainstream" (and let's face it, about 10% of the ads on TV do EXACTLY this)....? I dont fukkin' think so...... <_<

 

.....and I have never argued to the contrary..

I think that the bottom line is that if it ok for a straight couple to do something in a commercial then the same thing done by two people of the same sex should also be ok. With all this BDSM talk and such I think people here are missing the point. You don't see that stuff in commercials done by straights so I cannot see how that can be compared to a gay kiss in a commercial. I guess if there would be a commercial where a man shoves a carrot into a woman's anus and everyone thinks that's just fine then it should be ok if it would be done by two men/women. But for now, since a man and a woman kissing in a commercial is fine, therefore two men/women kissing should be fine also.

I think that the bottom line is that if it ok for a straight couple to do something in a commercial then the same thing done by two people of the same sex should also be ok. With all this BDSM talk and such I think people here are missing the point. You don't see that stuff in commercials done by straights so I cannot see how that can be compared to a gay kiss in a commercial. I guess if there would be a commercial where a man shoves a carrot into a woman's anus and everyone thinks that's just fine then it should be ok if it would be done by two men/women. But for now, since a man and a woman kissing in a commercial is fine, therefore two men/women kissing should be fine also.

 

the bondism/fetish line was a sidetrack from the main theme of the thread and had nothing to do with it. if you read the thread youll see that :)

the bondism/fetish line was a sidetrack from the main theme of the thread and had nothing to do with it. if you read the thread youll see that :)

 

I did read the whole thread and understood that the BDSM theme started from one opinion where the person said that if two gays kissing is ok then why not BDSM and so on comparing being gay as the same as having a fetish which comparison I don't agree with at all.

im not accusing you of being politically correct <_< however it AINT hard science as it doesnt explain my experiences!

 

As I understand it wasn't your fascination with FEMALE arses.... :lol: :lol: How is that a "gay tendency"...? So, do you actually believe that if something doesn't explain YOUR experience then it must be rubbish...? Bollocks... The facts are studies HAVE been conducted in this area, and empirical data has been established.... Every gay person I know says to me that on some level they instinctively knew that they were gay before hitting puberty, aged round about 10 or 11, they did try to repress it by entering into "straight" relationships in their teenage years (which is probably where the confusion comes in when dealing with this subject), but this was purely because of society's anti-gay attitudes (particularly during the Clause 28 years..) NOT because of a particular desire for the opposite sex. Every kid wants to fit in, the whole "peer pressure" thing and all, nobody wants to be the kid all the other kids call "f*****".... So, it's FACTS mate, peoples' actual experiences, and not conjecture on my part.....

 

I bet if we were to take a rough straw poll of the Gay people on Buzzjack, we'd see pretty similar results right across the board.....

As I understand it wasn't your fascination with FEMALE arses.... :lol: :lol: How is that a "gay tendency"...? So, do you actually believe that if something doesn't explain YOUR experience then it must be rubbish...? Bollocks... The facts are studies HAVE been conducted in this area, and empirical data has been established.... Every gay person I know says to me that on some level they instinctively knew that they were gay before hitting puberty, aged round about 10 or 11, they did try to repress it by entering into "straight" relationships in their teenage years (which is probably where the confusion comes in when dealing with this subject), but this was purely because of society's anti-gay attitudes (particularly during the Clause 28 years..) NOT because of a particular desire for the opposite sex. Every kid wants to fit in, the whole "peer pressure" thing and all, nobody wants to be the kid all the other kids call "f*****".... So, it's FACTS mate, peoples' actual experiences, and not conjecture on my part.....

 

I bet if we were to take a rough straw poll of the Gay people on Buzzjack, we'd see pretty similar results right across the board.....

 

yet again... that is NOT what i said as i agree with you 100% on sexuality. so youve wasted your time writing that!!! :lol:

 

without going into detail, theres things that fascinated me long before i knew what sex was. it aint summut i was taught, it aint summut that has resulted from a life experience... id certainly catagorise it as a fetish as theres sites on the internet for it! (and no im not a m,ember!! :lol: ). im suggesting to you most strongly, that i was born with in interest in this fetish.

Grimly VS Mushymanrob again haha!

 

I love your debates, they are very entertaining... eee.

The UK is, without doubt, the least progressive country in Western Europe in virtually every respect thinkable, although we are a lot more liberal than the States (but the USA is a very, very vast and various place). I was so annoyed when I heard about this, the general comments were about it being exposed to children, but their do-gooder conservative parents were trying to gloss over the fact that they simply didn't want scenes of sexual nature on TV. Like f*ck. Sexual?!

 

In The Netherlands, they teach 5 year olds what hetro and homosexuality is in equal measure (from a relationship perspective, obviously). And this is how it should be in this country. Unfortunately, Thatcher made it unlawful for teachers to associate homosexuality with normality and ithis law has remained unchanged to this day. And if we get into the nitty gritty, there are a world of inequalities out there. For example, a independent hotel can refuse to house homosexuals.

Edited June 30, 200816 yr by ScottyEm

without going into detail, theres things that fascinated me long before i knew what sex was. it aint summut i was taught, it aint summut that has resulted from a life experience... id certainly catagorise it as a fetish as theres sites on the internet for it! (and no im not a m,ember!! :lol: ). im suggesting to you most strongly, that i was born with in interest in this fetish.

 

It's probably a bit different to what Craig was going on about though.. I've had a passing interest in S&M/Bondage/sexual role-play, etc, but I wouldn't categorise it in the same way as being born with a "fetish" (I would call it more a fascination...) for bums or other parts of the body; because my interest in that sort of activity came much later when I started reading about these things and listened to songs on the subject such as Velvet Underground's "Venus In Furs".... I've been to clubs like Torture Garden and there's a large Fetish/S&M convention they do every year in London that I've gone to once or twice... Like I say though, my interest is only passing, which is why I reckon these sorts of "fetishes" aren't really as hardwired into people as sexuality....

 

It's probably a bit different to what Craig was going on about though.. I've had a passing interest in S&M/Bondage/sexual role-play, etc, but I wouldn't categorise it in the same way as being born with a "fetish" (I would call it more a fascination...) for bums or other parts of the body; because my interest in that sort of activity came much later when I started reading about these things and listened to songs on the subject such as Velvet Underground's "Venus In Furs".... I've been to clubs like Torture Garden and there's a large Fetish/S&M convention they do every year in London that I've gone to once or twice... Like I say though, my interest is only passing, which is why I reckon these sorts of "fetishes" aren't really as hardwired into people as sexuality....

 

'hardwired' no, but 'softwired'?.. possibly? i made the point earlier that its a much weaker compunction then ones sexuality. we can live without our fetishes, but our sexuality is much stronger force. so yes i think you are right in as much that we DO chose to act on our propensity for a fetish, as we can live without it. however i think that we are born with openess towards fetishes of various sorts in varying degrees. (from none to being stark raving pervy! lol)

I think the fact that Heinz pulled the ad is pretty awful tbh. 200 complaints is a pathetically small amount of people.

Not an offensive advert at all... just got me thinking, which men is the kid´s father in this fictious scene? Because naturally it can´t be both.

Edited July 2, 200816 yr by Janet Jackson´s Nipple

Do you all think America is a pain in the ass? Try living here.

Do you all think America is a pain in the ass? Try living here.

xD Yeah, I'll go along with that....

 

There is plenty of factual, Empirical evidence which shows quite clearly that kids in schools aged 10 upwards, ARE showing openly Gay/Lesbian tendencies regardless of social class, environment or familial backgrounds

That's for sure. Since we were about in fifth grade, that's about 10 or 11 years old, people have been claiming to be bisexual or homosexual...and really, I think it's sad that people even care at our age....

 

Haha I have an idea, why don't we just stop showing anything of a remotely sexual nature on television? xD Then maybe all these homophobic idiots would shut their faces, because there'd be nothing to complain about. Though watch people complain that we're sheltering children too much from the facts of life....Yeah. There's no winning in this situation. People are always going to be homophobic and ridiculous. It has NOTHING to do with the country they live in or under what government they live. It's part of some people's minds and the way they were brought up - and Lord knows that isn't going to change. Ever.

 

Also, I would like to point out that there are a ton of religious people who aren't homophobes. Again, religion isn't really a deciding factor, unless you're insanely dependent on your religion and live by every word of it....However, "normal" people, the majority of people, don't. It's all weighed on your individual opinions. My parents lean toward the homophobic side, but I walk around school with "HOMOPHOBIA IS GAY" written all over my arms. So. :P

Also, I would like to point out that there are a ton of religious people who aren't homophobes. Again, religion isn't really a deciding factor, unless you're insanely dependent on your religion and live by every word of it....However, "normal" people, the majority of people, don't.

 

Unfortunately, the majority of Politicians seem to do just that. Mind you, not that Politicians can in anyway be considered "normal" people..... -_- George Bush and the Republicans stopped same sex marriages.... They say that Homosexuality is "against god", then they go off and fight wars and kill lots of innocent people.... "Thou Shalt Not Kill" anyone??? Seems to me that they're going "against god" a damn sight more than gay people, they call themselves religious and then proceed to break most of the 10 Commandments. and isn't there stuff in the bible about the love of wealth being the "root of all evil" as well.....???

 

So, they'll focus on the supposed "sins" of the Gay Community while committing dozens of their own with no sense of irony.... God, Politicians just p*** me off...... -_-

 

Do you all think America is a pain in the ass? Try living here.

 

I'd rather not mate, no offence.... :lol:

 

I'd probably get hauled in by the Feds under the Patriot Act for half the stuff I say on this Forum...... :lol: :lol:

 

I'd rather not mate, no offence.... :lol:

 

I'd probably get hauled in by the Feds under the Patriot Act for half the stuff I say on this Forum...... :lol: :lol:

 

lol.. i bet youd sweat if you took a trip across the pond! :lol:

Not an offensive advert at all... just got me thinking, which men is the kid´s father in this fictious scene? Because naturally it can´t be both.

 

An interesting question. A couple I know who had a surrogate chose not to know who the biological father was.

Also, I would like to point out that there are a ton of religious people who aren't homophobes. Again, religion isn't really a deciding factor, unless you're insanely dependent on your religion and live by every word of it....However, "normal" people, the majority of people, don't. It's all weighed on your individual opinions. My parents lean toward the homophobic side, but I walk around school with "HOMOPHOBIA IS GAY" written all over my arms. So. :P

 

I think religion isn't always to blame for homophobia - religion is often just the excuse. People are homophobic for a number of reasons, all of which are ingrained in them by societal "norms." People are insecure of their own sexuality, afraid of being immasculated, ashamed of their sexual desires and tendancies - all of this is unnatural, it's learned.

 

People use religion like a crutch. It's the easiest thing to blame for their bigotry. How many people who thunder about the sin of homosexuality actually truly take the words of Leviticus literally? How many simply utter that verse because it's an excuse to justify their own homophobia? And well, how many people are in the gray area in between?

 

When people pick and choose parts of religion - I'll take that Leviticus verse and use it to say homosexuality is wrong... but I'll ignore THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT IN WHICH CHRIST CAME TO EARTH TO SHOW THE JEWS THAT THEY WERE ALL WRONG AND THE OLD TESTAMENT WAS A BUNCH OF BULL$h!t AND YOU SHOULD LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS YOURSELF AND HE WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE AND WASH THE FEET OF THE SINNERS, TAXCOLLECTORS AND LEPERS, etc. etc. etc.

 

If anyone can be so idiotic as to ignore such basic, basic lessons and themes... are they truly religious or are they simply STUPID? Or both??

. People are homophobic for a number of reasons, all of which are ingrained in them by societal "norms." People are insecure of their own sexuality, afraid of being immasculated, ashamed of their sexual desires and tendancies - all of this is unnatural, it's learned.

 

sorry m8 i absolutely disagree with this.

 

no one taught me or ingrained into me, my distaste for homosexual sex. its simply not a thing that ive ever thought of as desireable , i dont like it, it doesnt appeal, in much the same way many totally gay people wouldnt find straight sex a desireable practice. you cant 'learn' to be straight IF you are partly or fully gay, so just accept it as i do.... that some people wont like your sexual practices, and you wont like theirs, thats life but ISNT an excuse for 'hate' crime. accept peoples differences because everyone elses private lives are non of our businesses.

 

what you are saying there is that homophobia is taught, but hetrophobia isnt!