Real Men ???

 

Why is it that male Britain seems to have turned into a nation of cry babies ? whatever happened to the stiff upper lip ?

 

Just last night one of my mates phoned me up crying, this morning when I went to the shops a guy was crying on a bench, when Michael Vaughan quit as England captain he burst into tears, when John Terry missed a penalty he blubbered like a baby, even Gordon Brown cried in public, whatever happened to the stiff upper lip ?

 

Would Geoff Boycott or Brian Close have cried when they quit as England captain ? would Churchill have cried on tv ?

 

Did the loss of the stiff upper lip happen with the pathetic grieving over Diana ? are guys just more in touch with their feminine side now ?

 

Captain Oates sacrificing himself so that the others in Scott's party might live & walking out to certain death in -40 degrees F in the Antarctic with the immortal last words "I am just going outside & may be some time"; Rorke's Drift; Douglas Bader; the Blitz spirit; Brian Close; Dave Mackay.

 

It seems however that ever since the dullards of the nation were conned into a mass wankfest of mourning over the demise of inbred parasite Diana it has given us carte blanche to blub

 

We still have a few proper blokes left. Despite losing several toes to frostbite & having a heart bypass operation Sir Ranulph Ffiennes still completed 7 marathons in 7 days. Terry Pratchett descibed his recent diagnosis of early-onset Alzheimer's Disease with classic British stiff upper lipism as "an embuggerment". But these are a dying breed & there are few of them left

 

Now i'm not saying that Britons should never cry. If you are a woman, gay, or if your dog has just died then it is perfectly acceptable but why is men crying publicly considered so acceptable and normal now ??

 

So do you agree that the SUL is dying out in Britain? If so do you think we should mourn its passing or is it just an anachronism that has had it's day?

Captain Oates sacrificing himself so that the others in Scott's party might live & walking out to certain death in -40 degrees F in the Antarctic with the immortal last words "I am just going outside & may be some time";

 

Yeah, if you actually BELIEVE that version mate... :lol: Personally, I'm more inclined to believe the Arnold Judas Rimmer theory on that event..... ie, they bashed him over the head and ate him..... :lol: :lol:

 

And, to be honest mate, I think in general your post betrays a level of emotional immaturity on your part, far worse than any of the examples you gave..... and what the hell is this line supposed to mean.....?

 

"If you are a woman, gay, or if your dog has just died then it is perfectly acceptable".....

 

 

Isnt it a bit stereotypical saying that Men shouldnt cry?

 

and why is it ok if your gay? who says that if you are gay your not a real bloke?

 

Theres nothing wrong with crying, maybe all these people yur seeing crying have a good reason to.

Isnt it a bit stereotypical saying that Men shouldnt cry?

 

and why is it ok if your gay? who says that if you are gay your not a real bloke?

 

Theres nothing wrong with crying, maybe all these people yur seeing crying have a good reason to.

 

It never used to happen mate its a new phenomenon, unhead of 10,20,30 years ago, my thread is more about what has changed in society to brink about such a change

I cried when my Grandad died a year ago this month, tell me i'm not a man and i'll kick your head in, CT.

 

Just cos you're so sick and demented in the head, you show no emotion, whatsoever.

Yeah, if you actually BELIEVE that version mate... :lol: Personally, I'm more inclined to believe the Arnold Judas Rimmer theory on that event..... ie, they bashed him over the head and ate him..... :lol: :lol:

 

And, to be honest mate, I think in general your post betrays a level of emotional immaturity on your part, far worse than any of the examples you gave..... and what the hell is this line supposed to mean.....?

 

"If you are a woman, gay, or if your dog has just died then it is perfectly acceptable".....

 

It is ok for women to cry, fine, women crying in public is totally acceptable to me, the gay thing was a bit of a stereotype but the mate of mine that was blubbering last night on the phone because he had had a rough day was gay so I used him as an example

 

I just can't get my head around the idea of men crying in public, hence my example of comparing Michael Vaughan with Brian Close and Geoff Boycott

 

And comparing John Terry with Dave McKay who played on with a broken leg

I cried when my Grandad died a year ago this month, tell me i'm not a man and i'll kick your head in, CT.

 

Just cos you're so sick and demented in the head, you show no emotion, whatsoever.

 

That's different, that is family people dying

 

Not losing a captaincy or losing a cup final or like my mate because he had had a bad day at work

 

I should have used family member instead of dog but the point stands

 

It's called passion...

It's called passion...

 

Brian Close and Beefy Botham and Dave McKay and Geoff Boycott for example had massive passion but they would never have cried when the chips were down or when they quitting their captaincies

 

Men publicly showing emotion and crying was unheard of 10 years ago, I can't believe there is more passion in sport than there was 10-30 years ago

And comparing John Terry with Dave McKay who played on with a broken leg

Yeah but John Terry just saw an ambition he has worked hard for his entire life slip away just like that (literally :lol: ) and he may not get another opportunity, how would you feel if something you had worked so hard to get somewhere your entire life and then you literally watch your dream get taken from you? Football players have always cried! It's their lives! I'm a man and I've cried many times when things like my Nan dying happened and when things have held me back in life but what difference would that have made if I was gay? Would that make it ok because the fact I'm not 'eyeying up the birds' doesn't make me a real man?

 

People cry when the going gets tough, it helps them feel better whether it's in public or on their own but the thing that shows if they're a 'real man' is what they do afterwards in other words COURAGE! You can't slag people off for crying when you have no idea what emotions they're going through! I bet there are many times when you've cried and in public or not it doesn't make a difference!

Men publicly showing emotion and crying was unheard of 10 years ago

 

Bollocks.... Gazza crying at the World Cup (which is probably the first very public example of a sportsman showing emotion) was a damn sight longer than 10 years ago mate.... And it was before Diana died as well, so your pathetic "theory" holds no water whatsoever.... Sounds to me like you're just making a thread to have another pop at Princess Diana to be honest, which is just a tad mean-spirited of you....

 

To be honest mate, I think you're a bit emotionally dead inside, and I reckon YOU have some issues yourself mate if this is so important to you....

 

Yeah but John Terry just saw an ambition he has worked hard for his entire life slip away just like that (literally :lol: ) and he may not get another opportunity, how would you feel if something you had worked so hard to get somewhere your entire life and then you literally watch your dream get taken from you? Football players have always cried! It's their lives! I'm a man and I've cried many times when things like my Nan dying happened and when things have held me back in life but what difference would that have made if I was gay? Would that make it ok because the fact I'm not 'eyeying up the birds' doesn't make me a real man?

 

People cry when the going gets tough, it helps them feel better whether it's in public or on their own but the thing that shows if they're a 'real man' is what they do afterwards in other words COURAGE! You can't slag people off for crying when you have no idea what emotions they're going through! I bet there are many times when you've cried and in public or not it doesn't make a difference!

 

Privately yes when a family member or close friend has died but I would never dream of showing emotion and crying in PUBLIC like the examples I gave of Michael Vaughan who was my main inspiration for the question about public emotion from men, if Vaughan had showed a dignified public face and then shed a few tears in his hotel room fair play to him but seeing his press conference the other day was embarrassing

Yeah but John Terry just saw an ambition he has worked hard for his entire life slip away just like that (literally :lol: ) and he may not get another opportunity, how would you feel if something you had worked so hard to get somewhere your entire life and then you literally watch your dream get taken from you? Football players have always cried! It's their lives! I'm a man and I've cried many times when things like my Nan dying happened and when things have held me back in life but what difference would that have made if I was gay? Would that make it ok because the fact I'm not 'eyeying up the birds' doesn't make me a real man?

 

People cry when the going gets tough, it helps them feel better whether it's in public or on their own but the thing that shows if they're a 'real man' is what they do afterwards in other words COURAGE! You can't slag people off for crying when you have no idea what emotions they're going through! I bet there are many times when you've cried and in public or not it doesn't make a difference!

 

Spot on Nicky... Crying and laughter are both EMOTIONALLY/PSYCHOLOGICALY HEALING, people can and DO feel better after a good cry as much as a good laugh... Yet we say nothing negative about laughter (people often cry while laughing, so the two are inexorably linked in many ways).... It's simply because we dont know how to deal with someone who's crying, so we just dismiss them as being "silly" or "melodramatic"....

 

Craig's just talking sh!te again... Using the Blitz as an example...??? Yeah, like people of BOTH sexes weren't crying when loved ones were killed by the Nazis or when the bombs were falling... I've seen PLENTY of old soldiers crying their eyes out at War Commemorations, remembering fallen comrades... Yeah, I suppose they're somehow "un-manly"..... <_< This is such a pathetically patronising thread with no basis at all in fact, just a load of supposition and false assumptions.....

Bollocks.... Gazza crying at the World Cup (which is probably the first very public example of a sportsman showing emotion) was a damn sight longer than 10 years ago mate.... And it was before Diana died as well, so your pathetic "theory" holds no water whatsoever.... Sounds to me like you're just making a thread to have another pop at Princess Diana to be honest, which is just a tad mean-spirited of you....

 

To be honest mate, I think you're a bit emotionally dead inside, and I reckon YOU have some issues yourself mate if this is so important to you....

 

Nope my inspiration for it was Michael Vaughan when he quit as England captain, Diana opened the floodgates to guys publicly crying as opposed to in the privacy of their own homes but it was Michael Vaughan that sparked off the debate I had on MSN last night

 

The way the British public handled the death of Diana was one of its absolute low moments but if I am taking a pop at anyone in thread it is Michael Vaughan not Diana

Nope my inspiration for it was Michael Vaughan when he quit as England captain, Diana opened the floodgates to guys publicly crying as opposed to in the privacy of their own homes but it was Michael Vaughan that sparked off the debate I had on MSN last night

 

Dude, you said that it was unheard of 10 YEARS ago.... I'm sorry, but the example of Paul Gascoigne DOES rather torpedo your argument, because it was one of the defining moments of that particular WC competition and it DID spark off the debate of "The New Man" in the Early 90s.... This was all PRE-Diana, your theory is false......

 

It seems however that ever since the dullards of the nation were conned into a mass wankfest of mourning over the demise of inbred parasite Diana it has given us carte blanche to blub

 

Yeah, this isn't a pop at Diana in the slightest....Oh no..... :rolleyes:

 

Yeah, this isn't a pop at Diana in the slightest....Oh no..... :rolleyes:

 

Banged to rights on that one but I feel very passionately about the whole Diana thing and wear my heart on my sleeve when I posts so that was just passion, the thread was not designed to take a dig at Diana even if that is a byproduct of what was said but I am very much a supporter of the stiff upper lip and publicly looking strong in the face of adversity and hard times, I was bought up with the stiff upper lip and not showing public emotion and I do think it somewhat sad to see that part of British life being eroded by guys welling up in public over things that are not deaths of family or close friends

 

 

Banged to rights on that one but I feel very passionately about the whole Diana thing and wear my heart on my sleeve when I posts so that was just passion, the thread was not designed to take a dig at Diana even if that is a byproduct of what was said but I am very much a supporter of the stiff upper lip and publicly looking strong in the face of adversity and hard times, I was bought up with the stiff upper lip and not showing public emotion and I do think it somewhat sad to see that part of British life being eroded by guys welling up in public over things that are not deaths of family or close friends

 

 

Sorry mate, but I think the "Stiff Upper Lip" attitude is an utter fallacy (especially in this day and age..) and it was designed to repress our feelings and emotions, repression is NOT healthy....

If i was in the state to cry in public i would. Because i'm not a 'real man'? No. But because i'm a human, not a robot.

People have different ways of dealing with emotion, some people like to cry their eyes out, others keep there thoughts and feelings to themselves. So to be honest I dont see what the big deal is, if a big cry makes you feel better then go for it, cry like a baby. Its their life. If they wanna cry in public then be a dear and pass them a tissue, dont look at them and think "god what a FREAK", its just their way of dealing with things.