It was an absolutely ludicrous penalty decision there’s no doubt about; it’s debateable whether the second crossed the line, there’s no way the ref could have seen it. Then understandably spurs fell apart which was a travesty because manure deserved nothing out of the game.

It was an absolutely ludicrous penalty decision there’s no doubt about; it’s debateable whether the second crossed the line, there’s no way the ref could have seen it. Then understandably spurs fell apart which was a travesty because manure deserved nothing out of the game.

 

I dunno tbh, as soon as they got that first goal I had a feeling they were going to go on and win it. Though admittedly I thought it would finish up 3-2 :lol:

 

Based on the first half i'd agree that United deserved nothing as they were shocking defensively, especially whoever was playing at RB (Nani?). Responsible for both of Spurs' goals.

 

But in the second half United were immense, never stopped putting pressure on the Spurs defence and kept on scoring. The first half was a performance of a team with nothing to play for, a team conceding the title. The second half performance was that of a team of Champions, I feel they would have gotten something from the game with or without the pen decision tbh.

And now Palacious does nothing and gets a free kick given against him

Drug test alll f***ing refs

 

either that or he is going to get a brown paper envelope of cash from Fergie after the game

 

Worst refereeing performance I have EVER seein in all the time I been watching football

 

Fukkin disgrace, want to punch his lights out

If he'd rightly sent Palacios off for his disguting, wild two footed challege after about 10 minutes you wouldn't have had a chance anyway. And maybe if you could actually clear the ball when it went in the 6 yard box you'd still have won...

I don't really see how Spurs were that good. They barely created anything other than their two goals whereas United managed to create a fair bit even in just the first half, with Gomes making 2 or 3 decent saves. 24 shots on goal for United (17 on target, 7 off) and 7 for Spurs (5 & 2). Yes, INCREDIBLY hard done to! :manson:

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And now Palacious does nothing and gets a free kick given against him

Drug test alll f***ing refs

 

either that or he is going to get a brown paper envelope of cash from Fergie after the game

 

Worst refereeing performance I have EVER seein in all the time I been watching football

 

Fukkin disgrace, want to punch his lights out

Be careful saying the bolded bit with Harry Redknapp being your manager :kink:

 

Sorry but even with the debatable penalty we would have won anyway because you yet again absolutely collapsed in the second half against us. This is almost as bad as when you were 3-0 up against us and we came back to win 5-3 :lol: I love how everyone complains about big clubs getting the decisions when penalties like that get given when you see them being given thousands of times. :lol: Of course there were plenty of Spurs dickheads at my work yesterday who suddenly went silent when we scored our third goal, no doubt this summer they'll be like every other Spurs fan saying they will be in the Champions League next season when they sign an overrated English player for £15million (plus a dodgy motor from 'arry) who will probably be the next David Bentley. :lol:

 

It's quite funny that everytime I've been to Old Trafford this season we've had a penalty against us anyway :P

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00036/516PEN_36455a.JPG

ON THE SPOT - Hurelheo Gomes beats Michael Carrick to the ball before the United star tumbled over

 

Ref's cock-up hands Fergie crown

News Of The World.co.uk

By DAVID HARRISON and ROB BEASLEY, 25/04/2009

 

TWO-GOAL Cristiano Ronaldo inspired "lucky" Manchester United to an amazing 5-2 triumph over Spurs to put the title within their grasp.

 

United, who were 2-0 down at half-time, fought back thanks to a controversial penalty from ref Howard Webb to put them three points clear of Liverpool with a game in hand.

 

Manager Sir Alex Ferguson admitted: "We were lucky with the penalty and if we had lost it would have blown the title race wide open."

 

But Spurs boss Harry Redknapp blasted Webb and stormed: "It was a terrible decision."

 

Webb's desperate decision to award United a penalty after Michael Carrick tumbled over Hurelheo Gomes changed the course of the game AND the destiny of the title.

 

The hapless Spurs keeper easily made contact with the ball long before Carrick fell over. Yet England's premier official pointed to the spot and the United juggernaut became unstoppable.

 

Webb's inexplicable intervention unsettled Tottenham to such an extent that they conceded five goals in 22 minutes.

 

Their confidence had been shot to pieces and there was no way back into a match they had controlled up to half-time.

 

Redknapp was furious afterwards and rightly so. He confronted Webb at the final whistle. Webb invited him into his room to discuss the incident but there was no turning back the clock or the decision.

 

Tottenham could justifiably claim they were robbed and Redknapp raged: "If he is out best referee I wouldn't like to see the worst.

 

"It was not a penalty and it shouldn't have been given. The referee has made a terrible mistake.

 

"He just said to me, 'If I made a mistake I am sorry'. We have seen it 50 times in the dressing room and it was not a penalty. Our keeper has played the ball. You can see that from the direction the ball travelled.

 

"It changed the face of the game. All of the United players were saying it shouldn't have been given. Without that help they got from the referee I thought we would have gone on and won the game. They weren't going to win the game from that position.

 

"We have got to have technology for decisions like that. Instead of dealing with petty things like keeping you in the technical area, the fourth official should be watching a screen and talking to the referee.

 

"The ref has not done it on purpose - he has just made a bad decision."

 

Even Sir Alex admitted Webb got it wrong. The United boss said: "We were a bit fortunate with the penalty. Last season Harry Redknapp came here with Portsmouth and got a penalty that shouldn't have been given.

 

"Maybe this was one to pay us back. Last week we were knocked out of the Cup by a penalty not being given. Football is funny that way."

 

Redknapp fiercely disagreed. He said: "It can't be right to keep getting decisions wrong. What we want is for referees to get these decisions right.

 

"I was confident of coming here and getting a result and I thought at half-time we would go out and get another goal but the penalty has deflated us."

 

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Again its all when, buts and ifs, and most Man Utd fans will argue all day that they would have won anyway, bu that penalty was a major turning point. I am sure even most Man Utd players knew it wasn't a penalty and this would have spurred them on to play better - add that to Spurs not believing what was happening to them. Once Man Utd got into their rhythm they trashed Spurs.

 

But it took one of the worst refereeing descisions of the season for that to happen. If I was a Man Utd fan thats what I would be worried about.

:lol: :lol:

 

I wonder if anybody actually watched the Liverpool match? It's a phrase that gets tossed about all over the show in this forum, but 'swings and roundabouts' is once again ringing true. Just as United got the penalty decision in their favour, so did Liverpool on the Skrtel-Folan tangle (a tangle which was almost mirrored later on in the match and given to the opposite team), Lucas' possible handball that was right in the thick of the action when Kuyt scored his second, the Mascherano freekick that led to Xabi Alonso's goal questioned as Mascherano was deemed to be on his way down before being tripped.

 

In essence Liverpool could've had two of their three goals disallowed and a penalty given against them, as far as I'm aware United scored four clear cut goals that aren't really questionable at all (the Rooney goal that 'didn't cross the line' maybe the only doubt but surely anybody with eyes could see it crossed). Anybody trying to insinuate that Manchester United will win the title purely based on that penalty decision is, well, a bit dim. A season is played over 38 games.

 

After watching both performances aswell it must be said that imo the 3-1 Liverpool result is much more flattering to them than 5-2 was to United. Liverpool were bloody terrible at the back, Skrtel is still in a dreamworld seemingly, Reina can't seem to kick straight thesedays and Arbeloa isn't up to the job clearly. 8 goals conceeded in 2 games prior to yesterday and a very shaky defensive performance against a team who've collected a grand total of 7 points from the last 17 games, very worrying indeed..

Disagree with your points Cass. The Skrtel-Folan decision just highlights the incosistency of referees these days. If that happened outside the box he'd have given a free kick (as seen with Carragher). It happens in every single game, infact I don't think i've watched a game live or in the flesh where I haven't seen two similar situations. The decision was certainly a red card too. Additedly it maybe should have been a free kick however.

 

Mascherano's was a free kick too. OK he was possibly going to fall over anyway but Boateng clipped him - if you travel at pace and you get the slightest of knocks you're goin to fall over s there's no way you can keep your balance.

 

There's no way we're terrible at the back either, it's just individual errors. Throughout the season both the full backs and Reina have been absolutely brilliant. Definitely unsung. I've never ever seen Reina kick a ball as badly as he did yesterday and normally his distribution was excellent. Thing was yesterday, was Hull stopped Liverpool from playing. When Liverpool get on top of the game there's not a single team anywhere that can beat them imo. Hull closed us down and it forced individual errors and pressure, which are always going to lead to mistakes. Skrtel's just been in dream world since Downing trounched him at right back. And 9 goals in 3 games is not good I agree. Unfortunately individual errors have let us down, but our attacking form of late has been mental. It's good to play open football, just so long as you know you can score more goals than the opposing team.

 

I don't think anyone's saying that the result yesterday got you the title. It's more to do with if you'd have got beat yesterday things would look at lot more difficult, and there'd be 100% more pressure.

Disagree with your points Cass. The Skrtel-Folan decision just highlights the incosistency of referees these days. If that happened outside the box he'd have given a free kick (as seen with Carragher). It happens in every single game, infact I don't think i've watched a game live or in the flesh where I haven't seen two similar situations. The decision was certainly a red card too. Additedly it maybe should have been a free kick however.

 

Mascherano's was a free kick too. OK he was possibly going to fall over anyway but Boateng clipped him - if you travel at pace and you get the slightest of knocks you're goin to fall over s there's no way you can keep your balance.

 

There's no way we're terrible at the back either, it's just individual errors. Throughout the season both the full backs and Reina have been absolutely brilliant. Definitely unsung. I've never ever seen Reina kick a ball as badly as he did yesterday and normally his distribution was excellent. Thing was yesterday, was Hull stopped Liverpool from playing. When Liverpool get on top of the game there's not a single team anywhere that can beat them imo. Hull closed us down and it forced individual errors and pressure, which are always going to lead to mistakes. Skrtel's just been in dream world since Downing trounched him at right back. And 9 goals in 3 games is not good I agree. Unfortunately individual errors have let us down, but our attacking form of late has been mental. It's good to play open football, just so long as you know you can score more goals than the opposing team.

 

I don't think anyone's saying that the result yesterday got you the title. It's more to do with if you'd have got beat yesterday things would look at lot more difficult, and there'd be 100% more pressure.

 

You misunderstand what I was trying to say. I personally believe Folan was stupid to lash out and I'm far from condoning the behaviour (thuggish kicking like that shouldn't be allowed in any form of the game, esp in the sense that Pepe did for Real Madrid midweek) nor am I saying that he shouldn't have been given his marching orders. Just highlighting how the rub of the green didn't entirely favour United in the title race this weekend. Imo Liverpool got far more decisions in their favour that could've gone against them than United did. Mascherano again, not saying the freekick shouldn't have been given but it could easily HAVE gone in the opposite direction which sunsequently wouldn't have led to a goal.

 

In relation to the point about Liverpool's backline, again I'm not disputing you've been solid at the back all season but right now you are weak at the back. I can't see how that can even be denied tbh. Reina was at schoolboy level yesterday, throwing the ball directly to the retreating Hull players, kicking the ball straight out of play or straight back to Hull players. He certainly wasn't commanding his back four either which any good goalkeeper should. Skrtel, like you say, has no confidence since Downing turned him over (wtf was he doing at right back that game anyway? =/ ) and there seems like there's little communication between any of the defense (difficult I know when you have an Argentine, 2 Spaniards, a Slovakian and a scouser but still..).

But even with Mascherano, we'd have had a free kick befoe hand when one of their players took Benayoun out. Alright we probably wouldn't have scored from that free kick, but still. All big teams get rub of the mill descisions Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea they all normally end up going in their favour most of the time to be fair.

 

Reina has been class all season. Every player is allowed an off day, and yesterday was Reina's. I find him very much a confidence goal keeper. When he's on top of the game he's the 2nd best keeper in the world, but sometimes he just loses it and is error prone and hesitant. I've seen it happen at Old Trafford a few times. Communication was not there yesterday you're right, but I am sure it'll be addressed. Imo at the moment we're going for it. You don't go from being defensively solid to a liability overnight. When we play open football we're vunerable because as good players as our back 4 are in defending and positioning, each of them are lacking pace, so when someone runs at us and puts the defence under pressure (as seen in the last 2/3 games) it leads to mistakes and goals as our defence is not used to being that open.

If he'd rightly sent Palacios off for his disguting, wild two footed challege after about 10 minutes you wouldn't have had a chance anyway. And maybe if you could actually clear the ball when it went in the 6 yard box you'd still have won...

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9347/palacios.gif

 

How he stayed on the pitch for that I do not know!

 

Also, something that no one has mentioned is that it really is swings and roundabouts. Only 6 days before this match Howard Webb didn't give Man Utd a penalty which really, should've been given!

I thought we were LOLing at the San Antonio Spurs for being knocked out by the lowly Mavs.

I thought we were LOLing at the San Antonio Spurs for being knocked out by the lowly Mavs.

 

And another American forgets that there's a world outside of America.

 

(I'm half-surprised that their maps don't have "Here be dragons" for anything east of Maine.)

Edited May 1, 200916 yr by DitzyNizzy