I'd like to know what these classics songs are that they produced. Because things like Astley, Sonia, Donovan, and Kylie ain't them.

 

I will grudgingly accept Respectable by Mel and Kim but when they got their hands on established acts those acts went $h!te. Just compare Bananrama pre- and post-SAW.

 

Kylie's first absolute classic single was Confide in Me and not I Should Be So Lucky.

 

 

 

 

OK now, this is seriously becoming way out of hand now!

 

Oh sorry, I do apologise, because the likes of Robson & Jerome, Westlife, Gareth Gates & Boyzone are so much better than Oasis, The Spice Girls (whom Simon Cowell turned down signing!), Radiohead & The Sugababes arent they.

 

 

Still here the original version of a SAW "classic" with the video of the subsequent "cover" version that went to #1 in the UK in 1988 for 5 weeks:

 

Rick Astley - I Should Be So Lucky (1987)

 

Please note how "innovative" & "different" it sounds to the Kylie "classic" we know & love.

 

(Personally, I'm with Rick that this song was always rubbish, hence why he refused to have it on his debut album let alone a single, hence why SAW used this Rick Astley reject song to great effect on the then most famous teen soap star around from the then most watched soap in the UK as her debut single, or to famously quote Duran Duran's Simon Le Bon from 1988: "They (SAW & Kylie) could release a $h!t and it would go to number 1.")

 

Forgive the sarcasm, but note all the people criticising SAW were teenagers or older when they were dominating the charts. In other words, we were there.

 

Praising the music & ethics of Stock Aitken & Waterman is liking saying that Hitler, Stalin & Mussolini were great men & leaders.

I always thought Kylie lip sinc's, now I know :lol: . There is no doubt in my mind that S/A/W took out any creativeness out of "pop" music in the late 80's. They found a lowest common denominator (they would call it a winning formulae) and stuck with it for years.

Maybe the top ten album chart of this year represents a better reflection? But then, I'm finding this thread a completely ONE SIDED view on a topic with absolutely NO ROOM for any views that might show opinoins that differ so, that may be why?

m8...you are missing the point.... EVERYONE here who was 'adult' at the time, like tip says hates them. it AINT one sided, its a factual overview. you are highlighting exactly why this thread exists...

 

theres 'no room' for differing opinions because the young know no better, growing up with this sort of tripe, a land where manufactured dross is seen as acceptable underlines my point! those of us who were old enough to witness pop musics evolution dont accept the premis that s/a/w are credible, or even acceptible . why?... erm try 'because they killed creativity' which has been the theme throughout the thread!!! :lol:

 

like brian says, they reduced music to the lowest level/denominator. that is a fact, so like it or not, thats how it was/is. s/a/w fans believing they are 'good' doesnt make it true.

 

the truth is the truth, and if its one thing that irks me is that todays youth changes the past in their heads because 'they have a right' <_< eg ... indie music AINT INDIE, the beatles were NEVER a boyband <_<, etc etc etc..

I'd like to know what these classics songs are that they produced. Because things like Astley, Sonia, Donovan, and Kylie ain't them.

 

I will grudgingly accept Respectable by Mel and Kim but when they got their hands on established acts those acts went $h!te. Just compare Bananrama pre- and post-SAW.

 

Kylie's first absolute classic single was Confide in Me and not I Should Be So Lucky.

 

"I Should Be So Lucky" took minutes to make, even Pete Waterman himself has said this was 'below average'. But it's now an iconic song and - I hate to say this - a classic. Not in the same vein as 'Love Will Tear Us Apart" or "West End Girls" obviously (probably more likeWhigfield!) but the term classic isn't just a term used for a beautiful, well-crafted piece of music, which everyone here refuses to accept and the bitter snobbery just :wacko:

 

My view of SAW is an act that started off as a wicked dance/pop production team. Tracks like "You Spin Me" and "Showing Out" were credible tracks and were rooted back to the Hi NRG and Chicago scenes that was only just beginning by this point. Fair enough, by 1989 they really began to take the p*** and turned into a repetitive cash cow, but the stuff they did for Kylie in 1990 is arguably her most cherised work by her fans, but they had upped the ante with "Better The Devil You Know".

 

To claim SAW were respsonsible for Pop Idols and X Factors seems odd. Aren't they just a more glossy, modern version of Opportunity Knocks? So, they inflict the occasional cliched Westlife esq rubbish on us. I don't give a toss, frankly.

"I Should Be So Lucky" took minutes to make, even Pete Waterman himself has said this was 'below average'. But it's now an iconic song and - I hate to say this - a classic. Not in the same vein as 'Love Will Tear Us Apart" or "West End Girls" obviously (probably more likeWhigfield!) but the term classic isn't just a term used for a beautiful, well-crafted piece of music, which everyone here refuses to accept and the bitter snobbery just :wacko:

 

My view of SAW is an act that started off as a wicked dance/pop production team. Tracks like "You Spin Me" and "Showing Out" were credible tracks and were rooted back to the Hi NRG and Chicago scenes that was only just beginning by this point. Fair enough, by 1989 they really began to take the p*** and turned into a repetitive cash cow, but the stuff they did for Kylie in 1990 is arguably her most cherised work by her fans, but they had upped the ante with "Better The Devil You Know".

 

To claim SAW were respsonsible for Pop Idols and X Factors seems odd. Aren't they just a more glossy, modern version of Opportunity Knocks? So, they inflict the occasional cliched Westlife esq rubbish on us. I don't give a toss, frankly.

 

well id agree that early s/a/w (you spin me round like a record, showing out for egs) were ok pop, at the time they were fresh and yes they took the p*** by turning their business into a cash cow. but what they did was unashamedly made production line/manufactured music acceptable. this opend the door for every manufactured act/boy/girl band ever since. id ask... why didnt x factor/pop idols take off in the 50's, 60's, 70's or even 80's?

"I Should Be So Lucky" took minutes to make, even Pete Waterman himself has said this was 'below average'. But it's now an iconic song and - I hate to say this - a classic. Not in the same vein as 'Love Will Tear Us Apart" or "West End Girls" obviously (probably more likeWhigfield!) but the term classic isn't just a term used for a beautiful, well-crafted piece of music, which everyone here refuses to accept and the bitter snobbery just :wacko:

Well where I come from a classic is "a term used for a beautiful, well-crafted piece of music". I Should Be So Lucky should be lobbed in with Whigfield and Steps (another Waterman invention bridging the gap between the production line dross of the late 80s and the manufactured dross of today) as cheesey pop which can be enjoyed whatever whenever by whoever. But DO NOT call it classic.

Edited September 8, 200816 yr by grebo69

Well where I come from a classic is "a term used for a beautiful, well-crafted piece of music". I Should Be So Lucky should be lobbed in with Whigfield and Steps (another Waterman invention bridging the gap between the production line dross of the late 80s and the manufactured dross of today) as cheesey pop which can be enjoyed whatever whenever by whoever. But DO NOT call it classic.

 

Did you know "Agadoo" is a classic aswell?

Well! I think this topic should really be shut down now, but then I find this comical 4 odd minutes on youtube... Surely this is more fuel to fire, especially at about 2.44... No truer word said!

 

 

You have to laugh!

Edited September 8, 200816 yr by ScottyEm

To be honest I think you're the only person who seems to have a problem with this thread. Everybody else is quite happy slagging off the three goons.

Well! I think this topic should really be shut down now, but then I find this comical 4 odd minutes on youtube... Surely this is more fuel to fire, especially at about 2.44... No truer word said!

 

 

You have to laugh!

 

Any goon who takes the word of Peter "PopJustice" (The Saturdays are the best new pop act of 2008, and the 5 time Grammy winning Amy Winehouse is self pretentious whiney $h!t for w*n**rs - whom the great Quincy Jones (the most successful Grammy Award winner of all-time rates as the greatest female vocalist of the last 25 years)) Robinson as gospel deserves all the contempt they deserve.

 

Yeah, right Peter Robinson you are so correct that Paul Weller & Stephen Patrick Morrissey could never have written a better song as Stock Aitken & Waterman, thanks for reminding us why you are a complete imbecile & why Popjustice.com is consistently the biggest load of bullsh1t I have come across on the internet that teenagers take as a musical bible/mantra.

 

(Where are Russt & Grimly Fiendish when you need them.)

 

 

 

 

I just think s.a.w made happy fun records. Thats it. They didnt change the world and they werent meant to. But I can see why people think they cheapened pop on the whole

Oh, this is very interesting thread.

I agree in 100%. As a foreigner I've never heard about SAW before but this thread cleared many things to me and now I know why I don't like most of 90's and 00's pop music. ( up till now I've just lived in blissful ignorance about SAW. Ten years ago I just refused to watch musical channels like MTV and VIVA because I couldn't find there anything interesting anymore...)

Thanks guys for very interesting reading

 

Oh, this is very interesting thread.

I agree in 100%. As a foreigner I've never heard about SAW before but this thread cleared many things to me and now I know why I don't like most of 90's and 00's pop music. ( up till now I've just lived in blissful ignorance about SAW. Ten years ago I just refused to watch musical channels like MTV and VIVA because I couldn't find there anything interesting anymore...)

Thanks guys for very interesting reading

 

good! im pleased that the thread has served its purpose.

Well! I think this topic should really be shut down now, but then I find this comical 4 odd minutes on youtube... Surely this is more fuel to fire, especially at about 2.44... No truer word said!

 

 

You have to laugh!

 

game, set, and match to ME! :lol:

 

im not a big fan of paul 'plagiarist extraordinaire' weller, but that idiot who reckons he couldnt write a song as good as 'id rather jack' is a complete moron. that has to be the biggest pile of S/HIT ive ever heard.

 

and WHAT an arse watertwat was!.... 'you cant sell the same thing over again'... but thats what he DOES! plus.... remind me again, how many times has the 60's sounds been revived for a 'new' generation?.. lets see... new wave, indie, britpop, current 'indie'... :lol: guitar bands rule, thats the style of music that has been the backbone of the british music scene ever since the beatles cut the 'pop group' template in the early 60's.

 

his swipe at 'music fans who are up there arses' was nothing but a cheap defensive shot, it DOESNT WORK pete... ind you, id call anyone anything in order to protect my million pound money making business! :lol:

Well! I think this topic should really be shut down now,

 

i was thinking the same thing, and i will when all the vallied points have been made and no one can add to the debate.

 

ps.... thanks scotty for putting up a counter argument, it added to the thread and caused debate. :)

Any goon who takes the word of Peter "PopJustice" (The Saturdays are the best new pop act of 2008, and the 5 time Grammy winning Amy Winehouse is self pretentious whiney $h!t for w*n**rs - whom the great Quincy Jones (the most successful Grammy Award winner of all-time rates as the greatest female vocalist of the last 25 years)) Robinson as gospel deserves all the contempt they deserve.

 

Yeah, right Peter Robinson you are so correct that Paul Weller & Stephen Patrick Morrissey could never have written a better song as Stock Aitken & Waterman, thanks for reminding us why you are a complete imbecile & why Popjustice.com is consistently the biggest load of bullsh1t I have come across on the internet that teenagers take as a musical bible/mantra.

 

(Where are Russt & Grimly Fiendish when you need them.)

 

I'm not overly aware of The Saturdays, except they look and sound synthetic and bland (words I think wouldn't be out of place to desribe much of SAWs output). His comments on Ms Winehouse simply makes me think he's just out there to cause controversy. Everymen and their dog praises Winehouse around the clock (me included for that matter), so this guy is obviously little more than a spiteful prick really.

 

 

i was thinking the same thing, and i will when all the vallied points have been made and no one can add to the debate.

 

ps.... thanks scotty for putting up a counter argument, it added to the thread and caused debate. :)

 

Thanks and I'm happy a little gratitude has been shown for my side of the argument! Just for the record however, I'm no SAW obsessive and I will agree the bulk of their stuff was undisputed rubbish, I just happen to have a weakness for a bit of Mel and Kim, Bananarama and our Sonia! (I know the first 2 are modorately acceptable, but hey!)

 

SAW are like junk food really. A good gorge on the stuff every now and then is great, but overdoing it will dull your tastebuds (or more appropriately, ear drums!).

Edited September 9, 200816 yr by ScottyEm

Reynolds Girls - I'd Rather Jack (1989)

 

Sinitta - Toy Boy (1987)

Yup! Big Fun, Sinitta and Reynolds Girls are up there with the greats like New Order, The Smiths, Joy Division and other 80s innovators.

 

Of course not. I'm not an idiot. They are rubbish.

 

Actaully when it comes to I'd Rather Jack - cant work that one out..as its actually one of their best records (even tho obv dated as its about some weird jacking dance that might only make sense in 1986) until you actually put tho images to the record...if it was Mel & Kim (and it most probably might be) would be seen as much much better...or until its remixed to become Id rather jack than Nick-el-back...(Right Said Fred please cover this :lol: :lol: ...talking of Right Said Fred, FFRR and massive in Europe success types...was listening to the FFRR albums in Zavvi...and came across this interesting record by the Italian Stakka Bo in full perv mode....you might like this...or you might like Mojive more....

 

Jovanotti - Welcome

 

Serenata Rap - Jovanotti

 

Right Said Fred - Mojive

 

ATC (A Touch of Class) - My Heart Beats Like a Drum

 

U96 - I Wanna Be A Kennedy

 

U96 - Das Boot

 

and i guess once upon a time all of Alex Christensen's U96 record were seen as cool dance records...and even tho they probs came out around the same time as the s/a/w hits they've dated so much more...(frankly should stick to ATC) and tbh as far as I wanna be a kennedy goes even more dated than the tune below...which even tho its a million years old is a much better dance/club record

 

Visage - Fade to Grey

 

 

Well, no it isn't factual. Your views are a personal account on a controversial production team.

but ben elton WAS funny in the 80's.... young ones, blackadder, solo work...

 

and also the views may not only be about music - i'm guessing theres something deeper and very political going on as well that shaping your ideology...

btw all this talk of Kylie, Jason and S/A/W...i'm sure we're missing something here.... :lol: ...now what can it be.... :lol:

 

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:up Natalie Imbruglia - Shiver

 

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Eg and Alice - Doesn't mean that much to me

 

Eg and Alice - Indian