Thanks and I'm happy a little gratitude has been shown for my side of the argument! Just for the record however, I'm no SAW obsessive and I will agree the bulk of their stuff was undisputed rubbish, I just happen to have a weakness for a bit of Mel and Kim, Bananarama and our Sonia! (I know the first 2 are modorately acceptable, but hey!)

 

SAW are like junk food really. A good gorge on the stuff every now and then is great, but overdoing it will dull your tastebuds (or more appropriately, ear drums!).

 

oh i know you arnt a SAW obsesive, which actually made your points stronger. i think an obsessive wouldnt have put across counter points constructively. without your input the thread would only have been a rant... which is what it is lol , but you know what i mean. :)

 

yeah and like junk food the older you get the less palatable it becomes! :lol:

yeah and like junk food the older you get the less palatable it becomes! :lol:

 

tho S/A/W might be like Burger King while on the other hand....for your listening displeasure.....nasty greasy day old kebabs...

 

Brother Beyond "LET ME DECIDE"

 

BROTHER BEYOND - The Girl I Used To Know

 

Brother Beyond - Drive On

produced by Keith Cohen and Jeff Lorber!!!

 

http://electricityandlust.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/worlds-apart.jpg

 

Brother Beyond - Be My Twin

 

Worlds Apart - Je Te Donne

 

Worlds Apart - Quand je reve de toi

well I'm with ScottyEm on this one.

 

OK, there was the drivel like Kylie, Jason, Sonia, Mel & Kim etc etc etc..... but has everyone here forgotten that SAW, love them or loathe them, are responsible for 3 of possibly the greatest pop singles of the 1980s... Dead Or Alive's storming 'You Spin Me Round (Like a Record)' which even now, over 23 years on, still sounds nothing less than brilliant, Divine's 'You Think You're a Man', where they took over the reigns from legendary Bobby O and gave Divine a, gulp, top 30 single.... and a superb single it was, too.... and, most importantly, Britain's greatest girlband ever, the shockingly great Bananarama who, despite them despising Waterman and his working methods, gave us a gleaming hat trick of pop classics when they worked with SAW - 'I Heard a Rumour', 'Love in the First Degree' and 'Venus' (we can even add 'Nathan Jones', which they cheekily released when they overtook the Supremes as the world's most consistenty successful girlband.... and, let's be honest, wiped the floor with the original).

 

I detest Pete Waterman - he's a boring, self-obsessed, right-wing, shallow, mean and horrible little man with as much of a clue about musical culture now as he had then..... but there's no way you can take away the fact that he was partly responsible for some of the best pop music of the 1980s.... just don't ask me to listen to his work with Kylie, Jason Donovan or their horrendous work with Donna Summer.

well I'm with ScottyEm on this one.

 

OK, there was the drivel like Kylie, Jason, Sonia, Mel & Kim etc etc etc..... but has everyone here forgotten that SAW, love them or loathe them, are responsible for 3 of possibly the greatest pop singles of the 1980s... Dead Or Alive's storming 'You Spin Me Round (Like a Record)' which even now, over 23 years on, still sounds nothing less than brilliant, Divine's 'You Think You're a Man', where they took over the reigns from legendary Bobby O and gave Divine a, gulp, top 30 single.... and a superb single it was, too.... and, most importantly, Britain's greatest girlband ever, the shockingly great Bananarama who, despite them despising Waterman and his working methods, gave us a gleaming hat trick of pop classics when they worked with SAW - 'I Heard a Rumour', 'Love in the First Degree' and 'Venus' (we can even add 'Nathan Jones', which they cheekily released when they overtook the Supremes as the world's most consistenty successful girlband.... and, let's be honest, wiped the floor with the original).

 

I detest Pete Waterman - he's a boring, self-obsessed, right-wing, shallow, mean and horrible little man with as much of a clue about musical culture now as he had then..... but there's no way you can take away the fact that he was partly responsible for some of the best pop music of the 1980s.... just don't ask me to listen to his work with Kylie, Jason Donovan or their horrendous work with Donna Summer.

 

Yes, as I've said before Stock Aitken and Waterman made some great records in their early days, but post 1987 they became all about mass consumption, with backing tracks that sounded the same and ARE RESPONSIBLE for destroying British pop music because they broke the 20+ year link that started with The Beatles through to the mid 1980s where all the great British Pop Acts were largely responsible for composing all their own music, and if not were certainly responsible for playing their own music, but Stock Aitken & Waterman came along and changed the rules for British pop music whereby you could grab a teaboy off some the Northern Club circuit and turn him into a superstar, or take some Australian teenage soap actors' and turn them into pop stars, etc.

 

In short they changed the concept in the minds of the sheep like Great British Public of what made a great pop star from being musically talented making music with some artistic merit into something with the same merits as a supermarket own brand can of baked beans with a human reality story to go with it.

 

If Stock Aitken & Waterman had never come along then we would never have had Robson & Jerome (who were produced by Stock & Aitken) release awful Karaoke records that stopped Pulp, the Manic Street Preachers & Oasis from scoring #1 hits; and we would never have had PopStars, Pop Idol & X-Factor where week in, week out superior singers fail to qualify at the expense of singers with sob stories or a disabilty of some sort.

 

Give Pete Waterman credit where it is due he realised the human element angle could sell records long before Simon Cowell came along, but if you think the likes of HMV should have space in their racks for the likes of Michelle (Simon Cowell: "You're a much better singer than Alison Moyet and as good as Mama Cass" McManus, Gareth "boybland material who would have come nowhere if he did not have that stutter" Gates, & worst of tha lot Leon "week in week out could not sing in tune for toffee, but he was well fit, (cue tears) doing it for wee mam" Jackson ahead of unknown talented singer songwriter musicians, then I think you are wrong.

 

Possibly the best song written that was about PWL was this standard that has lasted better a damn sight better than Kylie's Hand On Your Heart:

 

Beautiful South - Song For Whoever (UK#2 1989)

 

That is why I resent what Stock Aitken & Waterman because they broke the chain, that allows a band so blatantly manufactured & hyped as The Saturdays to be regarded as the Best New Thing of British pop in 2008, when that statement would have been ridiculed at in 1965, 1977 or 1983 for the same thing, because a lot of teenagers today don't see talent and art as an important factor in pop music anymore.

 

 

I have heard Bananarama quite recently (I have the greatest hits and Robert De Niro's Waiting pisses all over those three you mentioned.) Although I did like Venus at the time I really can't stand it now. Sounds dated and actually quite poorly produced. Actually so do Cruel Summer and Shy Boy. You Spin Me Round gets by because by because it was Burns and Wayne Hussey(!) who wrote the song and not even S/A/W could botch the production. Can't say I remember Walk Like a Man with much affection at all.

You Spin Me Round gets by because by because it was Burns and Wayne Hussey(!) who wrote the song

 

so it wasnt such a great song because it was also writen by Lever & Percy...the geniuses behind most excellent pop record...

 

 

Bring It All Back by S Club 7 :cheer: :yahoo:

 

it's an Ultra Modern Nursery Rhyme!!!!

 

Happy Together!!!

 

and now a video so bad so funny...you wonder if it is a smashy and nicey spin-off...before realizing it wouldnt be that funny if it was on that show of theirs last night (tho Geoffrey Perkins - RIP)...tho if you turn off the visuals like the reynolds girls its actually a an alright 80s eurodisco cover

 

Sharp and Brown - Let's All Chant

 

tho on the other hand....

 

Sharpe and Brown - the Masterplan

 

well i suppose thats 3 - 0 to Lever & Percy... :lol:

 

pete burns on the other hand:

 

"parted ways with Stock, Aitken and Waterman and in 1989 released the self-produced Nude, which featured the hit "Turn Around and Count 2 Ten", a single that spent seventeen weeks at #1 on the Japanese charts. It was followed up by "Come Home with Me Baby", which hit #1 in Brazil" (wiki)

 

Dead Or Alive - Turn Around And Count 2 Ten

 

DEAD OR ALIVE - COME HOME (WITH ME BABY)

 

so just how vomit awful are these records...? think they could have done with a bit of S/A/W Magic dont you think....seventeen weeks at #1 on the Japanese charts!?!?!? OMG!!! if thats so You Spin Me Round must have been#1 there for months...and Twiggy Twiggy could be still #1 to this day :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Pizzicato 5 - Twiggy Twiggy

Yes, as I've said before Stock Aitken and Waterman made some great records in their early days, but post 1987 they became all about mass consumption, with backing tracks that sounded the same and ARE RESPONSIBLE for destroying British pop music because they broke the 20+ year link that started with The Beatles through to the mid 1980s where all the great British Pop Acts were largely responsible for composing all their own music, and if not were certainly responsible for playing their own music, but Stock Aitken & Waterman came along and changed the rules for British pop music whereby you could grab a teaboy off some the Northern Club circuit and turn him into a superstar, or take some Australian teenage soap actors' and turn them into pop stars, etc.

 

In short they changed the concept in the minds of the sheep like Great British Public of what made a great pop star from being musically talented making music with some artistic merit into something with the same merits as a supermarket own brand can of baked beans with a human reality story to go with it.

 

If Stock Aitken & Waterman had never come along then we would never have had Robson & Jerome (who were produced by Stock & Aitken) release awful Karaoke records that stopped Pulp, the Manic Street Preachers & Oasis from scoring #1 hits; and we would never have had PopStars, Pop Idol & X-Factor where week in, week out superior singers fail to qualify at the expense of singers with sob stories or a disabilty of some sort.

 

Give Pete Waterman credit where it is due he realised the human element angle could sell records long before Simon Cowell came along, but if you think the likes of HMV should have space in their racks for the likes of Michelle (Simon Cowell: "You're a much better singer than Alison Moyet and as good as Mama Cass" McManus, Gareth "boybland material who would have come nowhere if he did not have that stutter" Gates, & worst of tha lot Leon "week in week out could not sing in tune for toffee, but he was well fit, (cue tears) doing it for wee mam" Jackson ahead of unknown talented singer songwriter musicians, then I think you are wrong.

 

Possibly the best song written that was about PWL was this standard that has lasted better a damn sight better than Kylie's Hand On Your Heart:

 

Beautiful South - Song For Whoever (UK#2 1989)

 

That is why I resent what Stock Aitken & Waterman because they broke the chain, that allows a band so blatantly manufactured & hyped as The Saturdays to be regarded as the Best New Thing of British pop in 2008, when that statement would have been ridiculed at in 1965, 1977 or 1983 for the same thing, because a lot of teenagers today don't see talent and art as an important factor in pop music anymore.

 

spot on :cheer:

well I'm with ScottyEm on this one.

 

OK, there was the drivel like Kylie, Jason, Sonia, Mel & Kim etc etc etc..... but has everyone here forgotten that SAW, love them or loathe them, are responsible for 3 of possibly the greatest pop singles of the 1980s... Dead Or Alive's storming 'You Spin Me Round (Like a Record)' which even now, over 23 years on, still sounds nothing less than brilliant, Divine's 'You Think You're a Man', where they took over the reigns from legendary Bobby O and gave Divine a, gulp, top 30 single.... and a superb single it was, too.... and, most importantly, Britain's greatest girlband ever, the shockingly great Bananarama who, despite them despising Waterman and his working methods, gave us a gleaming hat trick of pop classics when they worked with SAW - 'I Heard a Rumour', 'Love in the First Degree' and 'Venus' (we can even add 'Nathan Jones', which they cheekily released when they overtook the Supremes as the world's most consistenty successful girlband.... and, let's be honest, wiped the floor with the original).

 

I detest Pete Waterman - he's a boring, self-obsessed, right-wing, shallow, mean and horrible little man with as much of a clue about musical culture now as he had then..... but there's no way you can take away the fact that he was partly responsible for some of the best pop music of the 1980s.... just don't ask me to listen to his work with Kylie, Jason Donovan or their horrendous work with Donna Summer.

 

i simply dont agree... divine was awful, a horrible sordid unpleasant row that i wish had never have been made. i prefer 'i should be so lucky' at least that doesnt make my skin crawl.

 

as for the bananabints... i agree with grebo, their earlier material was far better then the horrendous rubbish they came out with under watertwat, as for venus.... one of the worst, soul-less covers ever. tbh i think the bananabints are vastly over-rated, sales of units doesnt = good.. bryan adams? crazy frog? :lol:

 

Yes, as I've said before Stock Aitken and Waterman made some great records in their early days, but post 1987 they became all about mass consumption, with backing tracks that sounded the same and ARE RESPONSIBLE for destroying British pop music because they broke the 20+ year link that started with The Beatles through to the mid 1980s where all the great British Pop Acts were largely responsible for composing all their own music, and if not were certainly responsible for playing their own music, but Stock Aitken & Waterman came along and changed the rules for British pop music whereby you could grab a teaboy off some the Northern Club circuit and turn him into a superstar, or take some Australian teenage soap actors' and turn them into pop stars, etc.

 

In short they changed the concept in the minds of the sheep like Great British Public of what made a great pop star from being musically talented making music with some artistic merit into something with the same merits as a supermarket own brand can of baked beans with a human reality story to go with it.

 

If Stock Aitken & Waterman had never come along then we would never have had Robson & Jerome (who were produced by Stock & Aitken) release awful Karaoke records that stopped Pulp, the Manic Street Preachers & Oasis from scoring #1 hits; and we would never have had PopStars, Pop Idol & X-Factor where week in, week out superior singers fail to qualify at the expense of singers with sob stories or a disabilty of some sort.

 

Give Pete Waterman credit where it is due he realised the human element angle could sell records long before Simon Cowell came along, but if you think the likes of HMV should have space in their racks for the likes of Michelle (Simon Cowell: "You're a much better singer than Alison Moyet and as good as Mama Cass" McManus, Gareth "boybland material who would have come nowhere if he did not have that stutter" Gates, & worst of tha lot Leon "week in week out could not sing in tune for toffee, but he was well fit, (cue tears) doing it for wee mam" Jackson ahead of unknown talented singer songwriter musicians, then I think you are wrong.

 

Possibly the best song written that was about PWL was this standard that has lasted better a damn sight better than Kylie's Hand On Your Heart:

 

Beautiful South - Song For Whoever (UK#2 1989)

 

That is why I resent what Stock Aitken & Waterman because they broke the chain, that allows a band so blatantly manufactured & hyped as The Saturdays to be regarded as the Best New Thing of British pop in 2008, when that statement would have been ridiculed at in 1965, 1977 or 1983 for the same thing, because a lot of teenagers today don't see talent and art as an important factor in pop music anymore.

 

My sentiments exactly. Throughout the years most bands/solo performers either wrote their own songs or employed songwriters for them, and worked the club circuit/colleges/universities etc for years. Eventually with a bit of luck they got spotted, and got a record contract. Most never made it but at least they tried, and the ones that did make it thrived. God even the Beatles took years before they made it.

 

Today most(not all) see the X-factor/pop idol/Britains got talent as a fast track to "STARDOM", instant success. The reason why so many disappear just as quickly is they have not come through the learning phase. They have no real talent at all, anyone can sing a famous song a la Kareoke, doesn't mean they are gonna be the next Annie Lennox or Oasis.

 

The X factor is a prime example, most are deluded that they can sing, and even the ones that make the final wouldn't make it on their own, or they would already have, if you know what I mean.

 

S/A/W definately destroyed the art of singer/songwriter for the following generation, and we are now reaping the rewards :(

 

 

I disagree - Come Home With Me Baby is dated as hell now - but at the time it was fantastic - and in no way needing SAW's hand whatsoever.

 

As for Rob's comments on Bananarama - overrated? Bananarama? :wacko: Underrated, surely. The rancid Spice Girls stole the 'nanas thunder (and marketing budget). Bananarama's only drawback was that they were 15 years too early - they'd have wiped the floor with all the modern girlbands had they been any later coming along. And as for Venus - the original was dire - at least Bananarama injected a bit of spunk into it. If you'll pardon my French.

I disagree - Come Home With Me Baby is dated as hell now - but at the time it was fantastic - and in no way needing SAW's hand whatsoever.

 

As for Rob's comments on Bananarama - overrated? Bananarama? :wacko: Underrated, surely. The rancid Spice Girls stole the 'nanas thunder (and marketing budget). Bananarama's only drawback was that they were 15 years too early - they'd have wiped the floor with all the modern girlbands had they been any later coming along. And as for Venus - the original was dire - at least Bananarama injected a bit of spunk into it. If you'll pardon my French.

 

I love Bananaram - pre and post SAW also. There is no denying the SAW production prodding away in their productions, but I think their attitude is much more blatant. Unlike Kylie and the rest of the ilk, Bananarama were already quite established when SAW stepped in. Waterman has said many a time they were by far the most difficult act he has ever worked with! And kudos to them I say! Only Bananarama would be involved in something as wicked as "I Heard A Rumour". Hey, even "I Want You Back" is irresistable.

 

Siobhan left, they ditched the now tiresome SAW and released a quality gem "Only Your Love" but it bombed! How odd!

As for Rob's comments on Bananarama - overrated? Bananarama? :wacko: Underrated, surely. The rancid Spice Girls stole the 'nanas thunder (and marketing budget). Bananarama's only drawback was that they were 15 years too early - they'd have wiped the floor with all the modern girlbands had they been any later coming along. And as for Venus - the original was dire - at least Bananarama injected a bit of spunk into it. If you'll pardon my French.

we have had this discussion before :)

 

i couldnt dissagree more :P

 

how could the spice girls steal the bananabints thunder? they were already history long before the spicies came along.

 

i can see no difference between the bananabints and any modern girl group.. they are all manufactured, money making enterprises and are totally the opposite of the likes of kate bush, siouxsie sioux, annie lennox etc shareing more in common with girls aloud and even the shyte-days!

 

bananarama were pop, aimed at girls n courting (successfully by the look of it) the pink pound ;). tbh russ, im surprised at you championing this pretty lame girl act seeing as your taste is normally far more sophisticated!.

 

as it happens, i prefer the bananabints to the spice girls, i like several of their hits, 'shy boy' in particular was very good as was 'trick of the night'. but i cannot forgive them for utterly destroying 'venus', turning this euro-pop/rock classic into a gay nurseryrhyme (gay as in happy- original meaning :) ). 'venus' epitomises everything i detest about covers.

however my fav girl band would be girls aloud...:P

how could the spice girls steal the bananabints thunder? they were already history long before the spicies came along.

 

Up until the foul Spice Girls came along, Bananarama were the world's most successful female act of all time.....

 

i can see no difference between the bananabints and any modern girl group.. they are all manufactured, money making enterprises and are totally the opposite of the likes of kate bush, siouxsie sioux, annie lennox etc shareing more in common with girls aloud and even the shyte-days!

 

Where did you read that Bananarama were manufactured? Far from it - they were discovered by Terry Hall after he saw a photo of them in The Face magazine...at the time (1981), they'd been playing shambolic gigs round London and living with the Sex Pistols in Denmark Street for a few years in the late 70s (Paul Cook actually played drums for them in the early 90s....). Two of them, Sara and Keren, were schoolfriends, Siobhan was a mate they roped in because they liked her dancing! In fact, they aren't far removed from the punk movement at all - they proved the point that you didn't need colossal marketing budgets or trendy haircuts to make successful music. And also that you didn't have to be particularly musical at all to have hits - very punk, I'd say.

 

my fav girl band would be girls aloud...:P

 

Rob - I can only hope your head is hanging in shame :P - not only are GA possibly the most noxious of the lot - they look so $h!te - tarty northern townie girls (in fact, ALL girls look this bad whenever I've been to Newcastle - that perma-orange glow... foul - sorry, Newcastle, but I must speak as I find here) who got lucky, every single one of them. Nasty. Although their only good single, 'Sexy No No No' was particularly brilliant.

Up until the foul Spice Girls came along, Bananarama were the world's most successful female act of all time.....

Where did you read that Bananarama were manufactured? Far from it - they were discovered by Terry Hall after he saw a photo of them in The Face magazine...at the time (1981), they'd been playing shambolic gigs round London and living with the Sex Pistols in Denmark Street for a few years in the late 70s (Paul Cook actually played drums for them in the early 90s....). Two of them, Sara and Keren, were schoolfriends, Siobhan was a mate they roped in because they liked her dancing! In fact, they aren't far removed from the punk movement at all - they proved the point that you didn't need colossal marketing budgets or trendy haircuts to make successful music. And also that you didn't have to be particularly musical at all to have hits - very punk, I'd say.

Rob - I can only hope your head is hanging in shame :P - not only are GA possibly the most noxious of the lot - they look so $h!te - tarty northern townie girls (in fact, ALL girls look this bad whenever I've been to Newcastle - that perma-orange glow... foul - sorry, Newcastle, but I must speak as I find here) who got lucky, every single one of them. Nasty. Although their only good single, 'Sexy No No No' was particularly brilliant.

 

Noting beats Bananarama in the girl-group states, but Girls Aloud are - on the whole - great. Spiky, bionic pop I say. Obviously fogetting their charity singles, I think they get better and better.

, but Girls Aloud are - on the whole - great. Spiky, bionic pop I say. Obviously fogetting their charity singles, I think they get better and better.

 

yep i agree, surprisingly i like them dispite the manufactured chavette look, i think their material is damn good pop music.

Up until the foul Spice Girls came along, Bananarama were the world's most successful female act of all time.....

Where did you read that Bananarama were manufactured? Far from it - they were discovered by Terry Hall after he saw a photo of them in The Face magazine...at the time (1981), they'd been playing shambolic gigs round London and living with the Sex Pistols in Denmark Street for a few years in the late 70s (Paul Cook actually played drums for them in the early 90s....). Two of them, Sara and Keren, were schoolfriends, Siobhan was a mate they roped in because they liked her dancing! In fact, they aren't far removed from the punk movement at all - they proved the point that you didn't need colossal marketing budgets or trendy haircuts to make successful music. And also that you didn't have to be particularly musical at all to have hits - very punk, I'd say.

Rob - I can only hope your head is hanging in shame :P - not only are GA possibly the most noxious of the lot - they look so $h!te - tarty northern townie girls (in fact, ALL girls look this bad whenever I've been to Newcastle - that perma-orange glow... foul - sorry, Newcastle, but I must speak as I find here) who got lucky, every single one of them. Nasty. Although their only good single, 'Sexy No No No' was particularly brilliant.

 

yep... the spicies overtook bananarama, so? many greats have not been the biggest sellers. i think bananarama had too much of a niche market, whilst the spicies had a wider appeal (possibly akin to the beatles and stones in the 60's.... the beatles having a broader appeal).

 

ok suggesting that they were manufactured was incorrect and yep, they are a product of punk. but as i see it, they sold out , propping up a flagging career by submitting to watertwats producership. if they hadnt ruined 'venus' and gone all s/a/w then id have remembered them with much more affection. it matters not that they steered their own ship... was a pain in the arse to watertwat, they sounded just like any other PWL act..

 

i couldnt give a flying fuk what girls aloud look like, i dont like songs based on what the artist looks like! :lol: , to me, girls aloud are the BEST manufactured act to date, as against the flow...i like their material.

 

oh.... bananarama the most successful girl band worldwide pre-spice girls? really, even bigger then the supremes? :unsure:

 

ps.... good to see you back and posting in here m8!

It's nie to be agreeing with you again Rob!

 

Girls Aloud are a great pop group. They have gone way beyond their manufactured girl group beginnings and have produced some really good pop records. Although they got off on the right foot from the beginning as Sound of the Underground was not the usual talent show fodder. Surely they must be most successful talent show act now.

 

Bananrama were the most successful girl group in the British charts having more Top 20 hits than anyone else or something.

yep... the spicies overtook bananarama, so? many greats have not been the biggest sellers. i think bananarama had too much of a niche market, whilst the spicies had a wider appeal (possibly akin to the beatles and stones in the 60's.... the beatles having a broader appeal).

 

ok suggesting that they were manufactured was incorrect and yep, they are a product of punk. but as i see it, they sold out , propping up a flagging career by submitting to watertwats producership. if they hadnt ruined 'venus' and gone all s/a/w then id have remembered them with much more affection. it matters not that they steered their own ship... was a pain in the arse to watertwat, they sounded just like any other PWL act..

 

i couldnt give a flying fuk what girls aloud look like, i dont like songs based on what the artist looks like! :lol: , to me, girls aloud are the BEST manufactured act to date, as against the flow...i like their material.

 

oh.... bananarama the most successful girl band worldwide pre-spice girls? really, even bigger then the supremes? :unsure:

 

ps.... good to see you back and posting in here m8!

 

It's ironic Girls Aloud are getting a mention on the SAW thread. They were conceived on the Popstars: Rivals (something to that effect anyway), and were against boy band One True Voice who were being managed by Pete Waterman. Their offering, however, was shcokingly awful and bland, but he was thinking "a cute boy band, any old drivell and I'm guaranteed a number one hit". Little did he know that he was unable to patronize even his youngest fans, and Girls Aloud trounced them to number one because "sound Of The Underground" was so fresh and like noting heard of before and this raised the bar for manufactured pop for good and confirming Waterman was completely out of touch and failing to realise even the youngest of music fans were consumer savvy.

Edited September 13, 200816 yr by ScottyEm

Bananarama overtook The Suporemes record of being the most successful female act of all time in 1989 - when their cover of The Supremes' 'Nathan Jones' hit the top 20.

 

And whilst Bananarama admittedly did join PWL after a flop album (the rather brilliant True Confessions)... it was Siobhan's idea to work with the team, the one who ended up despising Waterman most.... solely because she wanted them to make a record that sounded like 'You Spin me Round'. Apparently she rued the day she suggested that one :rolleyes:

 

And Bananarama did surprisingly little work with SAW.... one album in their heyday, and another in the early 90s that bombed. There were only ever a handful of singles with SAW.....

 

(ps... ta Rob - nice to be back )

as for the bananabints... i agree with grebo, their earlier material was far better then the horrendous rubbish they came out with under watertwat, as for venus.... one of the worst, soul-less covers ever. tbh i think the bananabints are vastly over-rated

 

don't know - some of their records are alright but the synth-brass/synthetic sax sounds just too awful - cant listen too that - my mum likes them a lot...as for the really early ones - maybe early banananrama racords were good because they were terry hall records...and thinking about another really really awful 80s band and its members....i guess without terry hall the following dave stewart records would just be dreadful....

 

terry hall/dave stewart/Vegas - Possessed

terry hall/dave stewart/Vegas - She's Alright (The Beat)

terry hall/dave stewart/Vegas Feat Siobhan Fahey - Walk Into The Wind

Sense- Terry Hall & The Lightning Seeds (this is most perfect pop!!!!)

 

as for Venus...it might be a soul-less cover (i actually dont mind it as hi-nrg covers go and i guess there are worse covers of the song) but a billion times better than these ones by Jolley and Swain...who seem to be some kinda early 80s pop-soul powerhouse...

 

Bananarama - A Trick of the Night

Bananarama - do not disturb

 

Steve Jolley (1950) and Tony Swain (20 January 1952) were a successful pop musician, songwriting and record production duo in the United Kingdom in the early to mid-1980s, producing some of the top artists and songs of the era. Their first known collaborative work was released by the late Irish singer Joe Dolan on his 1980 album "Turn Out The Lights", which featured four Jolley/Swain compositions. In 1981 they reunited to produce the debut single "Body Talk" for Imagination. They produced four albums for the group and eight hit singles including "Just an Illusion" which peaked at number two in the UK Singles Chart. At the same time they produced albums and singles for Bananarama, including the classic "Cruel Summer".They subsequently produced the True album for Spandau Ballet, the title track reaching Number one in the UK chart in 1983, and its follow-up Parade. In 1985 they released their own (instrumental) album, "Backtrackin'", from which "Soul Street" was released as single. In 2001 Jolley was jailed for sexually assaulting a 12 year old boy. He was arrested again in 2003 by detectives investigating allegations of child sexual abuse against TV presenter and actor, Matthew Kelly. (wiki edit)

 

these are alright i guess even tho the cover of long train running sounds also like a rip-off of boy george's generation of love (then again seeing as its like one of only two decent records he has made i guess that could be seen as being alright)

 

Bananarama - Long Train Running

 

preacher man - bananarama

 

BRILLIANT - Somebody

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Brilliant - Love Is War (sounds like a poor propaganda record!!!)

 

at this point you might like to know that The Word magazine has a feature about Killing Joke this month and Clash has a feature on the Orb - might be better to get those two magazines than buying the new album by the verve!!!!

 

Killing Joke - Love Like Blood

 

Killing Joke - Eighties

 

Killing Joke - Pandemonium

 

Killing Joke, Millenium