Rob I think its because he is so loathesome (should that first 'e' be there?) as a person ... that it overshadows even his good songs - and I will admit there were one or two. If I had any doubts about him ... his performance on 'Brass Eye' cleared them up.

 

Norma

 

again.... theres many far worse.... i think its 'cool' to hate phil collins, im no fan, i have nothing by him, but i dont get why hes hated as much as the deservedly so watertwat!

Why do you have this hang up about him writing his own material. It doesn't matter.

 

surely he deserves credit for this talent?... he aint that bad

again.... theres many far worse.... i think its 'cool' to hate phil collins, im no fan, i have nothing by him, but i dont get why hes hated as much as the deservedly so watertwat!

 

Ditto - I only bought his Hits collection as part of one of those 2 CDs for £10 HMV sales jobs. I think most of his best work was done in Genesis and I will defend Follow You, Follow Me for the great song that it is to the hilt.

 

The main reason I can see for his hate is his bald-headed appearance as post the Stock Aitken & Waterman era it has become all about image over content hence why that moron Popjustice's Peter Robinson hails "I'd Rather Jack" as a great song because a song written by 3 40 somethings for two teenage girls slagging off talented musicans is so much better than a Paul Weller or Stephen Morrissey social commentary....and hence why Coldplay are a huge globallly successful band & the very similar yet far more talented Elbow are not, and time and time again on X Factor you see well fit teenage males who can't sing become more popular than superior "uglier" singers.

 

Forget the fact he has had 7 solo USA#1 & 1 with Genesis, or the fact the combined sales of his Genesis & Phil Collins records is well in excess of 225 million, he has proven the fact that he writes songs that appeal to mass audience that have a greater depth & empathy than the canon fodder produced by Stock Aitken & Waterman.

 

Hence why in 2008 In The Air Tonight topped the charts in New Zealand 27 years after it first reached the Top 10. Similarly Don't Let Them Steal Your Heart Away topped the US Adult Contemporary chart in 2006 after it was featured in some US movie 24 years after originally being recorded.

 

Whilst in 2003 a host of US Urban artists (Brandy, Kelis, Bones Thugs N' Harmony, Ol Dirty bast*rd, Lil Kim, Montell Jordan, Joe, Deborah Cox, Brian McKnight, etc) covered his songs for charity for the US#3 album Urban Renewal showing that unlike in the musically snobbish Britain, America recognises talent for what it is.

 

When you consider his solo career was basically an after thought, as he still regards himself firstly & foremost as a drummer/producer who has played on &/or produced Eric Clapton, Peter Gabriel, Robert Plant, Frida (ex-Abba), Howard Jones, Paul McCartney, Elton John, George Harrison, Philip Bailey, Sting, Tina Turner, Ozzy Osbourne, Four Tops, David Crosby, and also famously Band Aid were he (memorably on the documentary) put his drumming part on the track down in one take to the awe of Duran Duran's, Culture Club's & Spandau Ballet's drummers... and his jazz Krupa inspired Brand X sideline then I fail to see why he is not given the credit he deserved that he gets in America.

 

OK, I agree allowing Mariah Carey & Westlife to destroy Against All Odds was pretty criminal, and I also think he could help himself and follow an increasing number of major artists (Paul McCartney, David Bowie, Paul Weller, etc) and refuse to have his songs covered on that farce of a talent show by X-Factor contestants.

 

Also he is still not recovered from being universally everywhere in the 1980s (Noel Edmonds saying on his shows ".... and my next guest is Phil Collins" is about as popular as Jonathan Ross in the 2000s saying ".... and now here's Wicky Gewvais..."

 

Still having heard the latest news about him working with Damon Albarn on his unspecified forthcoming project (rumoured to be a 3rd Gorillaz album), then if Noel Edmonds can make an unlikely 21st Century comeback in the eyes of the GBP, then why not Phil Collins.

I have hated the sod since I was 14 when I was first exposed to his music, tasteful adult bloody slop that has little to do with artistry. And since when has the number of records sold have anything to do with good music. It has nothing to do with his bald appearance or that it is cool to hate him. Although another nickname we have for him is Man at C&A due to his apparel he wore through most of the 80s.

 

If I had a $h!tlist he would be at#1 along with Michael Jackson, Pete Waterman and Chris Tarrent.

I have hated the sod since I was 14 when I was first exposed to his music, tasteful adult bloody slop that has little to do with artistry. And since when has the number of records sold have anything to do with good music. It has nothing to do with his bald appearance or that it is cool to hate him. Although another nickname we have for him is Man at C&A due to his apparel he wore through most of the 80s.

 

If I had a $h!tlist he would be at#1 along with Michael Jackson, Pete Waterman and Chris Tarrent.

 

im not telling you who to like and who not too... but c'mon, like him or not (and again...im not fan) he is a multi instrumentalist, a talented singer/songwriter, so how can you dump him in the same catagory as watertwat?.. jackson, hell even cliff richard or elvis?..

 

 

i think its 'cool' to hate phil collins,

 

Wow - that means I've been cool for over 35 years and didn't even realise it! :lol:

 

Norma

Edited September 12, 200816 yr by Norma_Snockers

im not telling you who to like and who not too... but c'mon, like him or not (and again...im not fan) he is a multi instrumentalist, a talented singer/songwriter, so how can you dump him in the same catagory as watertwat?.. jackson, hell even cliff richard or elvis?..

TBH Cliff has done one more song that I like than Collins. Move It was a good single! But Collins belongs in the same category as Mark (Yawn!) Knopfler and Sting (after the Police).

 

And I rate Elvis' music way more highly. If the music is c**p then it doesn't matter who plays it or how well it is played.

TBH Cliff has done one more song that I like than Collins. Move It was a good single! But Collins belongs in the same category as Mark (Yawn!) Knopfler and Sting (after the Police).

 

And I rate Elvis' music way more highly. If the music is c**p then it doesn't matter who plays it or how well it is played.

 

oh i agree hes another knopfler or post police sting, but they are still good musicians! i rate collins solo works though higher then them, and elvis whom i never really took too..

 

i just dont think his earlier singles were that bad...

 

i cant see owt wrong with this, but im a sucker for brass and i love the brass in this!

 

sussudio

 

oh i agree hes another knopfler or post police sting, but they are still good musicians! i rate collins solo works though higher then them, and elvis whom i never really took too..

 

i just dont think his earlier singles were that bad...

 

i cant see owt wrong with this, but im a sucker for brass and i love the brass in this!

 

sussudio

 

 

I totally agree.

 

Here's another song with that Earth Wind & Fire style brass

 

Genesis - Paperlate (1982)

 

One thing that the left-wing music snobs criticise Phil Collins for is not having a sense of humour.

 

Yet he famously loved it when he was lampooned by South Park, afterwards annoying the writers by asking that if the next time his character is used can he provide the Monty Python style voice that they used for him......

 

Whilst he famously appeared on Tiswas

 

Phil Collins and Mike Rutherford being flanned by the Phantom Flan Flinger (1980)

 

So considering the likes of the Sugababes & Girls Aloud refused to appear on Dick & Dom in Da Bungalow & worse still Rachel Stevens walked out of a recording of the show because they did not want to get gunged/flanned than that makes him to superior to them in my eyes. :D

 

And he appears on the latest Grand Theft Auto Computer Game holding up the computer player driving for a few minutes to sing In The Air Tonight if your character fails to complete a task correctly.

 

Oh, and he is on Al Murray's ..... Pub Landlord tonight.

I totally agree.

 

Here's another song with that Earth Wind & Fire style brass

 

Genesis - Paperlate (1982)

 

One thing that the left-wing music snobs criticise Phil Collins for is not having a sense of humour.

 

Yet he famously loved it when he was lampooned by South Park, afterwards annoying the writers by asking that if the next time his character is used can he provide the Monty Python style voice that they used for him......

 

Whilst he famously appeared on Tiswas

 

Phil Collins and Mike Rutherford being flanned by the Phantom Flan Flinger (1980)

 

So considering the likes of the Sugababes & Girls Aloud refused to appear on Dick & Dom in Da Bungalow & worse still Rachel Stevens walked out of a recording of the show because they did not want to get gunged/flanned than that makes him to superior to them in my eyes. :D

 

And he appears on the latest Grand Theft Auto Computer Game holding up the computer player driving for a few minutes to sing In The Air Tonight if your character fails to complete a task correctly.

 

Oh, and he is on Al Murray's ..... Pub Landlord tonight.

 

 

:lol: loved tiswas ... what a great clip and only those with a sense of humour went on that!

 

this has become an interesting thread, its made me focus alittle more on this figure who has been 'there' for years... the result being i think hes ok! :P

 

thanks to all so far!

i like this aswell.... genesis 'duchess' #46 in 1980

 

I think we have to disagree on this one. 30 seconds of my life listening to the fart is 30 seconds wasted and nothing will ever convince me otherwise.

I would much rather listen to Freak Like Me or Something Kinda Ooh than Sussudio or anything else he had a hand in.

Edited September 12, 200816 yr by grebo69

Oh, and he is on Al Murray's ..... Pub Landlord tonight.

 

Al Murray ain't funny though!

 

Norma

I've never understood the hate.

To me, he's much like Mick Hucknall.

No, maybe not the nicest of men, and yes, he has come out with some right cheese, and yes, his recent output is often dire.

 

BUT he has been responsible for a fair few very decent pop classics. In The Air Tonight and Another Day In Paradise are mesmerizing, the cover of You Can't Hurry Love was just as enjoyable as the original, and I suspect the hate towards Against All Odds is more to do with Mariah Carey and Steve Brookstein than Phil Collins.

I've never understood the hate.

To me, he's much like Mick Hucknall.

No, maybe not the nicest of men, and yes, he has come out with some right cheese, and yes, his recent output is often dire.

 

BUT he has been responsible for a fair few very decent pop classics. In The Air Tonight and Another Day In Paradise are mesmerizing, the cover of You Can't Hurry Love was just as enjoyable as the original, and I suspect the hate towards Against All Odds is more to do with Mariah Carey and Steve Brookstein than Phil Collins.

 

lol... now ill be hypocritical... i HATE hucknall... :lol: the only thing he did that doesnt make me :puke2: was 'holding back the years'.

 

you are probably right, carey and brookstein certainly tainted that track.

 

 

Al Murray ain't funny though!

 

Norma

 

agreed.... theres very little funny about a drunken yob type character... we turned over and watched 'southpark'.

Al Murray ain't funny though!

 

Norma

 

Al Murray is hilarious. You clearly do not get the joke.

 

In real life he (Alastair James Hay Murray) studied at Oxford University in History (his serious programmes for the History channel are excellent) who created his stereotypical post modern xenophobic Sun loving pub landlord character who is a mix of Alf Garnett & Jim Davidson and loves Queen (he is not a fan of them in real life much preferring Led Zeppelin) & hates Duran Duran (who he likes in real life) is a p*** take. His granddad was a World War II correspondent for the BBC, an his grear-great-great grandad was William Makepeace Thackeray satirical writer of Vanity Fair and other works.

 

He comes from the same Oxford Revue that gave us Harry Hill, Armando Iannucci, Stewart Lee and Richard Herring. Before coming up with his hilarious Pub Landlord character he wrote material for Brass Eye, The Lee & Herring Show, Skinner & Baddiel & still contributes to the Harry Hill's TV Burp.

 

God some people are dumb, or did you think Warren Mitchell's Alf Garnett character was real as well?

agreed.... theres very little funny about a drunken yob type character... we turned over and watched 'southpark'.

 

Another one. Jesus some people really don't get irony/(the joke) do they.

 

Besides how can you watch South Park :wacko: - a show that stopped being funny in 2001, compared to Family Guy that show is now about as funny as Aids.

 

I could understand if you watched the Jonathan Ross show, but oh dear me.

 

 

I've never understood the hate.

To me, he's much like Mick Hucknall.

No, maybe not the nicest of men, and yes, he has come out with some right cheese, and yes, his recent output is often dire.

 

BUT he has been responsible for a fair few very decent pop classics. In The Air Tonight and Another Day In Paradise are mesmerizing, the cover of You Can't Hurry Love was just as enjoyable as the original, and I suspect the hate towards Against All Odds is more to do with Mariah Carey and Steve Brookstein than Phil Collins.

Mesmirizing? Yes it certainly sends me to sleep alright. Another Day in paradise is a travesty of a song. And no I have hated Against All Odds since the day I first heard it in 1984(?). There is a moment in it where Collins is trying to hit a high note and he ends screeching nasally and that is when my hate for this song crystalised. It is everything I hate about post 85 adult pop that sucked the life out of pop music. I see this as the reason Wateman existed in the first place. Boring farts like Dire Straits and Collins selling records to baby boomers while the teenage generation following up behind were largely ignored by the record industry leaving a perfect gap for Waterman to exploit.

 

Don't get me started on You Can't Hurry Love - most artists are roundly slaughtered for covers by numbers and this is no exception.

 

...And then there's Hucknall but that's another thread.

Another one. Jesus some people really don't get irony/(the joke) do they.

 

Besides how can you watch South Park :wacko: - a show that stopped being funny in 2001, compared to Family Guy that show is now about as funny as Aids.

 

I could understand if you watched the Jonathan Ross show, but oh dear me.

Al Murray is fantastic! A master of irony and out and out sarcasm.

 

I would not understand if anyone watched Ross. He's turned into a self-aggrandizing t*** of an interviewer who's only interested in himself. His guests are usually terrible and boring as well.

 

I ended up watching old Mock the Weeks on Dave. Frankie Boyle is brilliant.