Ok, a few points:

 

1/ I know it's a selfish view. I admitted so myself!

2/ You must be loaded. lol.

3/ Why do you assume all people out of work sit at home all day "in the black hole of wasting away doing nothing" and spend their days "watching Trisha and Jeremy Kyle?"

 

When I found myself out of work straight after coming out of uni - no experience of the career I wanted to get into I didn't do that. I went and did voluntary work while looking for a job.

 

In reply to your comments :

 

1) I definitely wasn't aiming anything as a dig at you :) sorry if it came across that way

2) LOL if only ;) living in London is horrendously expensive :o

3) I was playing devils advocate there :) I was being stereotypical but sadly that is how employers see it and what they are thinking, I would say even a majority that I come across in my job think that way :o so while it is not a personal view the Trisha/Jeremy Kyle thing it is a barrier that employers put across unemployed people

Hey dude! I'm not the type of person to have ago at people either, although I do like a good, intelligent debate.

 

1/ I know you weren't having a dig at me! Seriously, no bad feelings at all.

2/ Tell me about living in London. I do too.

3/ I totally understand how employers see it. That's why i did volunteer work. On your CV (particularly if it's in the line of work you are aiming for) it shows employers you arent a lazy bum.

Ok, a few points:

 

1/ I know it's a selfish view. I admitted so myself!

2/ You must be loaded. lol.

3/ Why do you assume all people out of work sit at home all day "in the black hole of wasting away doing nothing" and spend their days "watching Trisha and Jeremy Kyle?"

 

When I found myself out of work straight after coming out of uni - no experience of the career I wanted to get into I didn't do that. I went and did voluntary work while looking for a job.

Jeremy Kyle :wub:

 

Personally, if ever I'm unemployed I will ALWAYS look for work but I'm not going to do something I do not enjoy doing which pays absolute rubbish.If it paid rubbish and I DID enjoy it then I'd give it a go because as Ozzy says it's better than nothing but I could NEVER do a job I doidn't enjoy, now matter how well it paid, the dole is a more attractive option...

Some people have not worked for years or in some cases have never worked, and have no intention of doing so. Is it right that the taxpayer should continue to fund this, when the money could be better spent on fighting crime,security, health or education. :angry:

 

I am excluding the people on disability, although that is possibly another question.

 

All I have to say on this is YES.

 

I know it's not a detailed analysis, but the reasoning should be obvious really.

i dont think that taxpayers should subsidise career layabouts! but that isnt the same as paying benefits to people who cant find work.

 

reading through, i have to agree with ozzy here, any job is better then no job.

 

i think its wrong for highly qualified people to expect by right a high paid job straight from uni, a bright person who takes a lowly post can always move up the ladder, and tbh, in my experience the only 'top' people who were any good were the ones who had worked themselves up through the ranks. it gave them a much better understanding of how life really works! lol.

 

 

the other option is self employment. its bloody p!$$ easy... all you need is the gumption.

I agree with both sides.

 

I agree that yes, any job IS better than no job, however, I never claim that I know better than the poor guy who's toiled it up through the ranks nor do I think that I should be handed a job on a silver plate, just like that because I have a degree.

 

However, I've worked bloody hard to get where I am now. I was out of work myself for a year before anyone would give me a paid job, just because of the line work im in is full of snotty academics that would rather have some posh bint from Cambridge who dont know their arse from their elbow.

 

Also, I was self-employed. For 2 years! me and my ex-partner ran our own web business. Then we split up and I left the business, but that's not important.... It depends on your circumstances on whether not it's easy. In my case, two children under 9 didn't help. So :P LOL... :lol:

 

in my experience the only 'top' people who were any good were the ones who had worked themselves up through the ranks. it gave them a much better understanding of how life really works!

Have to say, that's been my experience too ;) I respect someone more, if they're not afraid to get their hands dirty, no matter what their position :)

i think its wrong for highly qualified people to expect by right a high paid job straight from uni, a bright person who takes a lowly post can always move up the ladder, and tbh, in my experience the only 'top' people who were any good were the ones who had worked themselves up through the ranks. it gave them a much better understanding of how life really works! lol.

 

this is so true. BT are the worst offenders with this - they continually p*** off their loyal workforce by employing fresh-from-uni graduates into managerial positions. And it never, ever works.

 

The most important thing is it REALLY pisses off the staff who have worked there for years and who have moved slowly up the managerial ladder becase the jobs available are being given away like confetti to graduates.

 

And another hideous thing BT does is they make these same loyal employees train these clueless graduates up to a reasonable standard. How rude is that?

 

There is far, far too much importance these days on qualifications, bits of paper. Experience, in life and work, is much more important than an irrelevant degree in an unrelated subject.