Not all of it is bad though mate - I think the likes of System of a Down, Amen and Gallows manage to incorporate the spirit of Punk into their music pretty well an manage to make it an articulate cry of rebellion, but yeah, the likes of Offspring, Green Day and Blink 182 more or less completely miss the point, mind you, GD did hit the target once or twice with "American Idiot" (single), "Minority" and "Jesus of Suburbia", Offspring I think hit it once with "The Kids Aren't Alright"....

 

Of course there's no real comparison to the greats - Sex Pistols, Clash, Siouxsie, Crass, The Damned, The Exploited, and 80s hardcore US bands like Black Flag or Dead Kenndys....

 

didnt say it was bad, but tbh id refer to soad as rock more then punk.

id go further and suggest that just about all of todays music has been influenced in some way by the cultural revolution that was punk. (uk/european music anyway... maybe not black american music).

 

and actually you could say thats also why P!nk was number one as few weeks ago - as it was sold not only on the song (tbh just another P!nk song and also could be seen as yet another Max Martin variation on kelly clarkson's Since U Been Gone) but also on a kinda safe packaged punk rebellion image that trades on that alternativeness but not really even tho it had my dad complaining that the video could be a bad influnce on people

 

Max Martin is Swedish....and tbh it could be seen that so what is just essentially roxette with added spunk.

 

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modern punk is a nonsense...it shouldnt even be labeled 'punk'. it aint about being 'cool', its about historical fact. and the facts are that british punk rock music exploded on the music/youth culture scene due to the socio-economic climate for britains youth in the mid-late 70's. it was a genuine cry of rebellion that quickly turned into a movement of innovation and creativity. "we arnt happy with that, we arnt accepting that, we are going to do this"

 

I strongly disagree, there is modern punk bands that are still punk past the main 70's era of punk, for a start there was the hardcore era of the 80's incuding bands such as Black Flag, Minor Threat and Dead Kennedys, then the mid-late 90's era American punk bands such as Rancid and NoFX, not forgetting bands around now such as Gallows who still make punk music.

 

Then punk has still lived through other things such as post-hardcore of the 90's/00's with bands such as Fugazi, Refused and yourcodenameis:milo, post-punk bands such as Joy Division, and more recently The libertines and Bloc Party (who still make punk is their own way/form whatever people say they are still a punk influenced band that always has a bit of it in them).

 

Also there are other subgenres that punk lives on through such as Folk Punk with bands such as Dropkick Murphys, Flogging Molly and Against Me!, Pop Punk with bands such as blink-182 and MXPX, Ska Punk with bands such as Reel Big Fish, Less Than Jake and Streetlight Manifesto and countless other sub genres since the beginning of punk.

 

There are loads of bands still around today that i could name who still stand for the same things/newer things as time has progressed that the only way to descrbe are as punk or of a punk subgenre, who are'nt rubbish, the fact is, if you know the right punk bands, you know all modern punk is not "abosulte rubbish" as you say but are just as good, if not better as the punk bands of the mid-late 70's, bands such as Anti-Flag, The King Blues, Alkaline Trio, The Gaslight Anthem, The Briggs, Pennywise, Tiger Army, Sonic Boom Six, The Ghost of a Thousand, The Bronx and loads more.

Then punk has still lived through other things such as post-hardcore of the 90's/00's with bands such as Fugazi, Refused and yourcodenameis:milo, post-punk bands such as Joy Division, and more recently The libertines and Bloc Party (who still make punk is their own way/form whatever people say they are still a punk influenced band that always has a bit of it in them).

 

but then again now you bring into Joy Division, The libertines and Bloc Party - and remembering that Punk goes with Metal and the rest goes in indie and alternative...you start think not only in terms of musical style but also ideology, time frames and obv fashion...and would those lesser punk acts that dont comform to the ideal look of punk - still be punk (apart from a big iconic act like The Clash who will be always be consered punk rock even tho they may be considered something as much more than just punk perhaps)

 

http://www.rockinbeerfest.co.uk/communities/2/004/004/698/552/images/4507598302.jpg

 

btw did anyone else see the rocker - this is like a.d.d in 25 years :lol:

 

I strongly disagree, there is modern punk bands that are still punk past the main 70's era of punk, for a start there was the hardcore era of the 80's incuding bands such as Black Flag, Minor Threat and Dead Kennedys, then the mid-late 90's era American punk bands such as Rancid and NoFX, not forgetting bands around now such as Gallows who still make punk music.

 

Then punk has still lived through other things such as post-hardcore of the 90's/00's with bands such as Fugazi, Refused and yourcodenameis:milo, post-punk bands such as Joy Division, and more recently The libertines and Bloc Party (who still make punk is their own way/form whatever people say they are still a punk influenced band that always has a bit of it in them).

 

Also there are other subgenres that punk lives on through such as Folk Punk with bands such as Dropkick Murphys, Flogging Molly and Against Me!, Pop Punk with bands such as blink-182 and MXPX, Ska Punk with bands such as Reel Big Fish, Less Than Jake and Streetlight Manifesto and countless other sub genres since the beginning of punk.

 

There are loads of bands still around today that i could name who still stand for the same things/newer things as time has progressed that the only way to descrbe are as punk or of a punk subgenre, who are'nt rubbish, the fact is, if you know the right punk bands, you know all modern punk is not "abosulte rubbish" as you say but are just as good, if not better as the punk bands of the mid-late 70's, bands such as Anti-Flag, The King Blues, Alkaline Trio, The Gaslight Anthem, The Briggs, Pennywise, Tiger Army, Sonic Boom Six, The Ghost of a Thousand, The Bronx and loads more.

 

well i take your point that there probably is real punk and always has been. its just not mainstream and i was refering to those commercial groups around now who purport to be punk. but i cant see how they can be 'as good if not better'... because its all been done, the real message is 30 years old. those groups around today are impotent, they are not going to change british culture the way original punk did because original punk has already done it!

 

so musically... possibly modern punk might be better...i dont know, they might have some anger, but based upon what? i bet these groups werent even born 30 years ago, so they have grown up in a much wealthier britain. i cant see how they can be 'angry', because theres no desperation, they HAVE a future... unlike 70's youth who didnt.

 

punk isnt just about music, its about attitude, its political, its free thinking, inovative, back in the late 70's punk was potent because the climate was right, and original punk was fresh, new, alive... surely modern punk is just a pale copy of what the punk movement was.

well i take your point that there probably is real punk and always has been. its just not mainstream and i was refering to those commercial groups around now who purport to be punk. but i cant see how they can be 'as good if not better'... because its all been done, the real message is 30 years old. those groups around today are impotent, they are not going to change british culture the way original punk did because original punk has already done it!

 

so musically... possibly modern punk might be better...i dont know, they might have some anger, but based upon what? i bet these groups werent even born 30 years ago, so they have grown up in a much wealthier britain. i cant see how they can be 'angry', because theres no desperation, they HAVE a future... unlike 70's youth who didnt.

 

punk isnt just about music, its about attitude, its political, its free thinking, inovative, back in the late 70's punk was potent because the climate was right, and original punk was fresh, new, alive... surely modern punk is just a pale copy of what the punk movement was.

 

On the 'as good if not better' thing i guess that is just down to opinon really, that was a bit of a silly thing for me to say in the first place :lol: but musically i think some modern punk bands are better in different wasy as some arent so simple and the lyrics are more established, i see Tim Armstrong(Rancid) to having more musical talent than Glen Matlock to be honest.

 

I don't think British modern punk banmds have much to stand for (well maybe some things) but American seem to, with the upcoming election too, i think some are rather angry at the idea of a c**t like John McCain becoming president, also there is many other issues that i cant be arsed to go into detail about.

 

I understand punk is about the attitude aswell as the music, most modern punk bands are very politcal, such as Anti-Flag and NoFX, but again it's more the American bands, rather than British, so really what happened is that it moved more oversea's to the USA rather than punk continuing in Britain (however there seems a bit of a revival at the momment with bands such as Gallows, f***ed Up, Sonic Boom Six, The King Blues and more). I dont think modern punk is a pale copy of what the punk movement was, just a more developed copy.

On the 'as good if not better' thing i guess that is just down to opinon really, that was a bit of a silly thing for me to say in the first place :lol: but musically i think some modern punk bands are better in different wasy as some arent so simple and the lyrics are more established, i see Tim Armstrong(Rancid) to having more musical talent than Glen Matlock to be honest.

 

I don't think British modern punk banmds have much to stand for (well maybe some things) but American seem to, with the upcoming election too, i think some are rather angry at the idea of a c**t like John McCain becoming president, also there is many other issues that i cant be arsed to go into detail about.

 

I understand punk is about the attitude aswell as the music, most modern punk bands are very politcal, such as Anti-Flag and NoFX, but again it's more the American bands, rather than British, so really what happened is that it moved more oversea's to the USA rather than punk continuing in Britain (however there seems a bit of a revival at the momment with bands such as Gallows, f***ed Up, Sonic Boom Six, The King Blues and more). I dont think modern punk is a pale copy of what the punk movement was, just a more developed copy.

 

... and on that i think we have reached an agreement :)

im counting down my top 45 favourite punk rock tracks ever in the punk rock and metal forum at the momment if anyone's interested.

 

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