But are they really that many? I doubt football is something that atracts too many gay people, just like fashion doesn´t attract too many straight males. People like to fantasize about loads of football players being in the closet, but so far, all the gay people I know aren´t interested in football in the least. Plus, it should be very embarrasing in the vestiary.

 

 

Ahh... a typically unenlightened, offensive, cliched, patronising, and stereotypical post from JJN.

 

So because the people you've met who are gay (who I imagine you could count on one finger) happen to be into Girls Aloud and want to become flower arrangers, you have the audacity to think ALL gay people are like that, do you?

 

FYI... Elton John managed Watford... the Pet Shop Boys had their own football team for a while.... my other half LOVES football and is a helluva good player.... many, many gay people I know LOVE football...and no, not because they want to rim Cristiano Ronaldo - but because, shock horror, they actually LIKE the game.

 

I think you maybe grew up in a sheltered environment whereby you didn't actually get to witness much life or the people who live it. Quite what your excuse for your cliched viewpoints are now, though, now that you can think for yourself and can be classed an 'adult'.... I'm not quite so sure. I felt like I was reading the musings of a 13 year old when I read your post - you've made some hideously offensive posts in your time on BJ - that one s absolutely the worst - and Rob, hang your head in shame for even thinking to agree with ANY of those points :o :rolleyes:

 

It may be easy for you to pigeonhole gays as mincing, effete, changing-room-bothering fairies... I suggest you visit a few gay bars (it's ok, you won't catch anything)... as in any environment, any walk of life, there are many, many different types of gay man and woman - quite a good percentage of whom love football and don't have a single fantasy that Beckham could possible want to blow them off. In fact, gays are even allowed out in public these days - away from the gay ghettos - in fact, you could probably walk down the street and see some. Preferably without large stones in your bag in 2008, though, please, JJN.... it could get nasty.

 

For you to suggest that all gay men would be an embarrassment in the changing rooms - how dare you. :angry:

 

At best your opinions are childish and homophobic - at worst they're deeply offensive and stereotypical.

I'd actually assumed Janet Jackson´s Nipple was being ironic. Perhaps not?

Ahh... a typically unenlightened, offensive, cliched, patronising, and stereotypical post from JJN.

 

So because the people you've met who are gay (who I imagine you could count on one finger) happen to be into Girls Aloud and want to become flower arrangers, you have the audacity to think ALL gay people are like that, do you?

 

FYI... Elton John managed Watford... the Pet Shop Boys had their own football team for a while.... my other half LOVES football and is a helluva good player.... many, many gay people I know LOVE football...and no, not because they want to rim Cristiano Ronaldo - but because, shock horror, they actually LIKE the game.

 

I think you maybe grew up in a sheltered environment whereby you didn't actually get to witness much life or the people who live it. Quite what your excuse for your cliched viewpoints are now, though, now that you can think for yourself and can be classed an 'adult'.... I'm not quite so sure. I felt like I was reading the musings of a 13 year old when I read your post - you've made some hideously offensive posts in your time on BJ - that one s absolutely the worst - and Rob, hang your head in shame for even thinking to agree with ANY of those points :o :rolleyes:

 

It may be easy for you to pigeonhole gays as mincing, effete, changing-room-bothering fairies... I suggest you visit a few gay bars (it's ok, you won't catch anything)... as in any environment, any walk of life, there are many, many different types of gay man and woman - quite a good percentage of whom love football and don't have a single fantasy that Beckham could possible want to blow them off. In fact, gays are even allowed out in public these days - away from the gay ghettos - in fact, you could probably walk down the street and see some. Preferably without large stones in your bag in 2008, though, please, JJN.... it could get nasty.

 

For you to suggest that all gay men would be an embarrassment in the changing rooms - how dare you. :angry:

 

At best your opinions are childish and homophobic - at worst they're deeply offensive and stereotypical.

Well said. I for one knew that I enjoyed watching football many years before I knew I was gay.

Ahh... a typically unenlightened, offensive, cliched, patronising, and stereotypical post from JJN.

 

So because the people you've met who are gay (who I imagine you could count on one finger) happen to be into Girls Aloud and want to become flower arrangers, you have the audacity to think ALL gay people are like that, do you?

 

FYI... Elton John managed Watford... the Pet Shop Boys had their own football team for a while.... my other half LOVES football and is a helluva good player.... many, many gay people I know LOVE football...and no, not because they want to rim Cristiano Ronaldo - but because, shock horror, they actually LIKE the game.

 

I think you maybe grew up in a sheltered environment whereby you didn't actually get to witness much life or the people who live it. Quite what your excuse for your cliched viewpoints are now, though, now that you can think for yourself and can be classed an 'adult'.... I'm not quite so sure. I felt like I was reading the musings of a 13 year old when I read your post - you've made some hideously offensive posts in your time on BJ - that one s absolutely the worst - and Rob, hang your head in shame for even thinking to agree with ANY of those points :o :rolleyes:

 

It may be easy for you to pigeonhole gays as mincing, effete, changing-room-bothering fairies... I suggest you visit a few gay bars (it's ok, you won't catch anything)... as in any environment, any walk of life, there are many, many different types of gay man and woman - quite a good percentage of whom love football and don't have a single fantasy that Beckham could possible want to blow them off. In fact, gays are even allowed out in public these days - away from the gay ghettos - in fact, you could probably walk down the street and see some. Preferably without large stones in your bag in 2008, though, please, JJN.... it could get nasty.

 

For you to suggest that all gay men would be an embarrassment in the changing rooms - how dare you. :angry:

 

At best your opinions are childish and homophobic - at worst they're deeply offensive and stereotypical.

 

Spot on Russ... I was hoping you would come on here and give JJN a good "seeing to" as it were... :lol: I notice that JJN still does not bother themselves to reply to Rob's questions either...

 

You're entirely correct in your mentioning of Elton John and PSB also, and just because there are all-too-many gay people out there who depressingly seem to want to live up to the camp stereotype (the "G.A.Y. Mob", I call 'em...), it doesn't mean that there are even more who find that sort of stereotype to be utterly ridiculous and insulting to them.. I know plenty of gay guys and girls who are into Metal and Hard Rock music (I know a couple of Gay Brazilians as well, really nice lads, a credit to their nation and culture...), I myself am Bi (as you know...), and while I loved the actual sport itself once upon a time, I just cannot abide what Football has become, nor can I abide the Neanderthals from a bygone age who associate themselves with the game....

 

 

 

Ahh... a typically unenlightened, offensive, cliched, patronising, and stereotypical post from JJN.

 

So because the people you've met who are gay (who I imagine you could count on one finger) happen to be into Girls Aloud and want to become flower arrangers, you have the audacity to think ALL gay people are like that, do you?

 

FYI... Elton John managed Watford... the Pet Shop Boys had their own football team for a while.... my other half LOVES football and is a helluva good player.... many, many gay people I know LOVE football...and no, not because they want to rim Cristiano Ronaldo - but because, shock horror, they actually LIKE the game.

 

I think you maybe grew up in a sheltered environment whereby you didn't actually get to witness much life or the people who live it. Quite what your excuse for your cliched viewpoints are now, though, now that you can think for yourself and can be classed an 'adult'.... I'm not quite so sure. I felt like I was reading the musings of a 13 year old when I read your post - you've made some hideously offensive posts in your time on BJ - that one s absolutely the worst - and Rob, hang your head in shame for even thinking to agree with ANY of those points :o :rolleyes:

 

It may be easy for you to pigeonhole gays as mincing, effete, changing-room-bothering fairies... I suggest you visit a few gay bars (it's ok, you won't catch anything)... as in any environment, any walk of life, there are many, many different types of gay man and woman - quite a good percentage of whom love football and don't have a single fantasy that Beckham could possible want to blow them off. In fact, gays are even allowed out in public these days - away from the gay ghettos - in fact, you could probably walk down the street and see some. Preferably without large stones in your bag in 2008, though, please, JJN.... it could get nasty.

 

For you to suggest that all gay men would be an embarrassment in the changing rooms - how dare you. :angry:

 

At best your opinions are childish and homophobic - at worst they're deeply offensive and stereotypical.

 

tbh russ i dont agree...

 

its about percentages. what % of the population are gay?.... say 5% for arguments sake.

 

IF 5% of footy fans were gay you would be right... but are they?... i dunno... as i see it (and i might be wrong) gay people as a whole do favour certain things in life, (not all gay people,) and shy away from other things. id suggest that your bananarama has more gay fans then motorhead! ... not exclusively, but % wise.

 

similarly i think there might be some truth in jjn's suggestion that AS A WHOLE the % of gay footy fans could be lower then the average.

 

this aint homophobic, its no different then saying you wont find many peers of the realm at a saturdays gig! or saturdays fans at an opera! as i see it, its just that different sections of society DO like different things.

 

similarly i think there might be some truth in jjn's suggestion that AS A WHOLE the % of gay footy fans could be lower then the average.

 

Not sure that's true... Like Russ, I know a fair few gay/bi people into footie. Also a lot of Goths/Metallers like the game, but NONE of them would consider actually going to a game because of the aggression, the hooligan element, the nasty attitudes of Neanderthal fans who are probably themselves the minority of footie fans overall, but they dominate the game far and above their actual number; so the groups I just mentioned force themselves to go to pubs or watch the games at home even though for the most part they'd LOVE to be there taking in the atmosphere, but they feel they cant because they'd get the sh!t kicked out of them.... The same thing happened to me as a kid when my folks felt uncomfortable taking me to games because of the violence that erupted during the mid-80s even though I'd always gone with them up 'til that point to see my local team....

 

This is just WRONG man, the decent majority being forced out or too intimidated because of a bunch of bigoted, hooligan meatheads who can't behave themselves..... Football needs to rid itself of these people and get the decent, real fans back at games....

 

Not sure that's true... Like Russ, I know a fair few gay/bi people into footie. Also a lot of Goths/Metallers like the game, but NONE of them would consider actually going to a game because of the aggression, the hooligan element, the nasty attitudes of Neanderthal fans who are probably themselves the minority of footie fans overall, but they dominate the game far and above their actual number; so the groups I just mentioned force themselves to go to pubs or watch the games at home even though for the most part they'd LOVE to be there taking in the atmosphere, but they feel they cant because they'd get the sh!t kicked out of them.... The same thing happened to me as a kid when my folks felt uncomfortable taking me to games because of the violence that erupted during the mid-80s even though I'd always gone with them up 'til that point to see my local team....

 

This is just WRONG man, the decent majority being forced out or too intimidated because of a bunch of bigoted, hooligan meatheads who can't behave themselves..... Football needs to rid itself of these people and get the decent, real fans back at games....

 

i accept that argument, i agree that its plausible that some sectors of society can be intimidated out.

 

but i do believe that there are some sectors of society that 'dont fit' into other areas... i dont think its 'black and white', but a percentage on a sliding scale.

 

how many metal heads or hells angels will you see at an opera?.. how many 'upper crust toffs' will you see at glastonbury?

 

what i dont believe for one second is that every element in our varied society is equally reprisented in every cultural corner.. so for jjn to suggest that there may not be so many gay guys into footy might have some foundation... but tbh without any hard facts we will never know.

how many metal heads or hells angels will you see at an opera?..

 

Er, you'd be surprised by how many Metal fans are into classical/opera; I'm surprised you're saying this seeing as how you're going out with a Nightwish/Tarja fan :lol: ... But if you actually study both music forms there are similarities in terms of the structure, Gothic, Symphonic and Black Metal bands utilise Classical elements in their music, Nightwish, Dimmu Borgir and Cradle of Filth have had symphony orchestras playing on their albums; and the theatricality of Metal and Opera is very similar... It's not an uncommon sight to see Metal fans at an Opera these days actually, or indeed a West End musical, you underestimate how cultured Metal fans actually are....

 

Opera Buffs dont tend to go around beating people up because they wear "funny clothes" to a performance of Tosca or Rigoletto mate..... :rolleyes:

how many 'upper crust toffs' will you see at glastonbury?

 

Plenty - the people who run the event - Eavis and his assistant - are both pretty ya-ya upper-crust toffs :D

 

And I've seen people from all walks there - it's not all lentil-eating new age hippies or rock fans at all - in fact, I'd say quite a fair few of the 'hippies' are, like they were in the 60s, over-priveliged rich Mummy-Daddy kids....

 

As for your suggestion that most gay people wouldn't like footie - Rob, you're wrong.... in fact, have a look at how many gay football AND rugby teams there are out there at the moment. It's big business - and the pink pound's pretty powerful.

 

And whilst I can freely admit Bananarama are probably the worlds campest band bar none.... there's still room for plenty of other more err.. 'macho' music in my collection.

 

In fact, Motorhead and Girlschool's 'Please Don't Touch' is one of my favourite singles of all time - honest ;) And 'Ace of Spades' is always my karaoke choice, too

Plenty - the people who run the event - Eavis and his assistant - are both pretty ya-ya upper-crust toffs :D

 

Certainly are... I do believe Mr Eavis is what is known as a "Gentleman Farmer"... ie, he's not exactly short of a bob or several hundred.....

 

And in my times that I've been there I've seen loads of upper-middle class and Public school "Rupert" and "Jemima" types, they all want to shock mater and pater, so they go "slumming with the oiks"..... :lol: :lol: :P

 

And besides, given what Glasto actually COSTS these days, I think it's only "upper crust toffs" who can actually afford to go.... :lol:

And whilst I can freely admit Bananarama are probably the worlds campest band bar none.... there's still room for plenty of other more err.. 'macho' music in my collection.

 

In fact, Motorhead and Girlschool's 'Please Don't Touch' is one of my favourite singles of all time - honest ;) And 'Ace of Spades' is always my karaoke choice, too

 

Well, one could argue that much of Metal is even all that "macho" tbh.. Look at Judas Priest... Rob Halford, camp as pink knickers..... :lol: :lol: All that studded leather and make-up that most of these Black Metal bands wear....ROFLMAO..... Dani Filth has to be the campest little man in Rock (he did a cover of a CLIFF RICHARD song once, "Devil Woman" and Heaven 17's "Temptation" :lol: :lol:) , and the likes of Dream Evil, Dragonforce and MANOWAR.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: OMG, if they could be anymore mincy and camp, they'd be doing covers of showtunes or Elton John songs....... :lol: :lol:

 

I rip the p!ss out of my mate who's into that incredibly camp sub-genre of Metal, "Battle Metal" stuff like Dream Evil and Turasis (he even has a T-shirt emblazoned with the legend "Battle Metal"), I call "Batty Metal". All these young, long-haired men in their studded leather and bare chests, waving fake swords and axes around, all trying to be incredibly macho.... Funniest sight I've even seen tbh, almost like an out-take from "300" or some old Steve Reeves "sword and sandals" movie ..... :lol: :lol:

lol..i know i know, but please take the example in the spirit it was meant, the point stands that different sections of society are into different cultural options... i could easily have cited upper crusts at an akon gig, mean gangstas at an s club 8 gig etc etc etc.. theres no strict rule of course but you know what im getting at.

 

i know fcuk all about footy, i DETEST everything to do with it, except how to accurately mark a soccer pitch from scratch! the whole league could be gay for all i know or care.. its just that my thoughts agree with jjn in as much that i hadnt considered that footy had much of a gay following...on this i might well be wrong.

Ahh... a typically unenlightened, offensive, cliched, patronising, and stereotypical post from JJN.

 

So because the people you've met who are gay (who I imagine you could count on one finger) happen to be into Girls Aloud and want to become flower arrangers, you have the audacity to think ALL gay people are like that, do you?

 

Calm down with the scandal. I neverd said ALL gay people dislike football. What I said is just a normal fact that everyone notices, and it´s hardly offensive unless your a histeryc cry-out-loud who sees homophobia in everything. Most (***MOST***) gay people are not interested in football, and even when they watch it they are more interested in the players looks then the game itself. That´s hardly an offense, since I myself am not interested in football in the least and that doesn´t mean I´m gay. There are exceptions to the rule.

 

FYI... Elton John managed Watford... the Pet Shop Boys had their own football team for a while.... my other half LOVES football and is a helluva good player.... many, many gay people I know LOVE football...and no, not because they want to rim Cristiano Ronaldo - but because, shock horror, they actually LIKE the game.

Cool, you mentioned some examples. What difference that makes??? I certainly can mention the name of a few Madonna fans who are straight males. That hardly changes the reality: that most of her male fans ARE gay!

 

I think you maybe grew up in a sheltered environment whereby you didn't actually get to witness much life or the people who live it. Quite what your excuse for your cliched viewpoints are now, though, now that you can think for yourself and can be classed an 'adult'.... I'm not quite so sure. I felt like I was reading the musings of a 13 year old when I read your post - you've made some hideously offensive posts in your time on BJ - that one s absolutely the worst - and Rob, hang your head in shame for even thinking to agree with ANY of those points :o :rolleyes:

The tipical politically correct censorship. It makes me laugh that a person who writes this pretends to defend "free" thought.

 

Am I being hanged if I say the majority of males who are stylists are homossexual too? Am I being hanged if I say artists like Madonna or Cher have much more hability to atract gay fans then straight male fans? Hell, stop being an histeric politically-correct cliche machine, and look this is not offensive in the least...

 

For a fact, you are being a huge HYPOCRITE (hardly a surprise...), since I remember in an old topic you said one of your friends would love to have a gay son, and most people around you find gay people pretty cool, because of their sense of fashion and stuff. Yeah, like it was a huge sin to say fashion is more atractive to gay males then to straight males... :unsure:

 

For you to suggest that all gay men would be an embarrassment in the changing rooms - how dare you. :angry:

Well, I wouldn´t feel comfortable being naked close to someone who can potentially feel atracted, just like I wouldn´t feel comfortable being naked in the same room with a female friend who I can possibly feel atracted. That´s why bathrooms are separated for each gender. :unsure:

 

I never said gay men (let alone "ALL" gay men - you always seem to put the words "all" and "every" in places I haven´t written them) would be an embarrasment in changing rooms. I just think it´s embarrasing to put in the same room, naked, people who can potentially feel atracted by each other.

 

At best your opinions are childish and homophobic - at worst they're deeply offensive and stereotypical.

Homophobic, homophobic, bla bla bla... I´m so tired of these cliches. Everything is homophobic to you. Seems like you´re a total paranoid...

I'd actually assumed Janet Jackson´s Nipple was being ironic. Perhaps not?

 

No, I´m not... There are things in our culture that are more atractive to different types of publics. That´s the point when you say this artist or that movie has a big "gay audience"... Do people think that´s offensive? If we go by the same idea of russt, then just to say some artists, a TV show, a movie, has a big "gay audience" should be a big offense, since all cultural options should atract gays, straights, male/female exactly in the same proportion... It seems that he hasn´t noticed people ARE different, and noticing the differences is hardly an offense.

tbh russ i dont agree...

 

its about percentages. what % of the population are gay?.... say 5% for arguments sake.

 

IF 5% of footy fans were gay you would be right... but are they?... i dunno... as i see it (and i might be wrong) gay people as a whole do favour certain things in life, (not all gay people,) and shy away from other things. id suggest that your bananarama has more gay fans then motorhead! ... not exclusively, but % wise.

 

similarly i think there might be some truth in jjn's suggestion that AS A WHOLE the % of gay footy fans could be lower then the average.

 

this aint homophobic, its no different then saying you wont find many peers of the realm at a saturdays gig! or saturdays fans at an opera! as i see it, its just that different sections of society DO like different things.

 

Yes, that´s something anyone can EASILY noticed... Just P-C- iditos would get offended by stuff like this.

 

For a fact, we could enter a Madonna forum and open a poll, to ask of the males there, how many of them are gay, bi and straight. Then if we say Madonna´s music and fashion is more atractive to gay people then it is to straight people, is it homophobic or offensive? NO. For instance, I´m not sayng that Madonna doesn´t have straight fans, or either there aren´t gay people who detest Madonna. It´s just a tendency. This is something that is used in marketing ALL THE TIME... To classify the public´s into their characteristics, to better deal with it. In USA and UK you have many TV shows that are directly aimed at a gay public, even tough they´re not directly related to sex. Theorically, stuff that is aired there could be interesting to anyone, regardless of their sexual preferences cause it´s not related to sex, but for some reason, people who deal with marketing KNOW when something will be more atractive to a gay public, in music, movies, fashion, etc. Why is it such a big crime to say that, from a marketing perspective, football and sports in general isn´t much of a gay thing? :(

Calm down with the scandal. I neverd said ALL gay people dislike football. What I said is just a normal fact that everyone notices, and it´s hardly offensive unless your a histeryc cry-out-loud who sees homophobia in everything. Most (***MOST***) gay people are not interested in football, and even when they watch it they are more interested in the players looks then the game itself. That´s hardly an offense, since I myself am not interested in football in the least and that doesn´t mean I´m gay. There are exceptions to the rule.

 

On what are you basing these opinions of yours on? Most gays this, most gays that, it seems that you you keep on saying these things and stating that these are some kinda facts. Most gays do not like football, based on what? They might or might not. I would argue that since there is such homophobia surrounding football most gay fans keep quiet about their sexuality and these most this and most that arguments are really based on nothing. And that most gays who watch football are more interested in the looks of the football players, what the hell? Are you basing this on what? I think that is total rubbish, some might be interested in looks but stating that most, c'mon, don't be a fool.

 

Cool, you mentioned some examples. What difference that makes??? I certainly can mention the name of a few Madonna fans who are straight males. That hardly changes the reality: that most of her male fans ARE gay!

The tipical politically correct censorship. It makes me laugh that a person who writes this pretends to defend "free" thought.

 

Again, based on what you are saying most Madonna fans are gays? Some internet forum? Some study about the issue? Could it be that straight fans are actually afraid of saying they really like Madonna because people like you then think most likely he is gay (if your argument is most Madonna fans are gay then most likely someone saying he is Madonna fan is gay and therefore a straight fan might not wanna say he is a fan to avoid being labeled gay). And a fact that Madonna being "gay-friendly" used in marketing, it is to make money, it doesn't mean that most Madonna fans are gay. Maybe it is used to show gays that they are welcome to Madonna concert in a society that still is very anti gay. And opening a poll about the sexuality of Madonna fans in a Madonna forum? What would that tell? Nothing really since you should first do a study about how much gays/straights/bis actually use online forums. It could be that gay fans of Madonna use forums much more that straight fans and therefore that kinda poll would be useless.

 

Well, I wouldn´t feel comfortable being naked close to someone who can potentially feel atracted, just like I wouldn´t feel comfortable being naked in the same room with a female friend who I can possibly feel atracted. That´s why bathrooms are separated for each gender. :unsure:

 

So, you are one of these morons who cannot separate nuditity and sexuality. Those really are two different things and I think this is one of the most screwed up things in American culture (and Britain). It seems that while in such places as Scandinavia and Central Europe people can use unisex saunas etc without thinking being nude means sexuality in America something like Janet Jackson's nipple becomes a huge issue. It was just a nipple, there was absolutely nothing sexual in it. And this goes with your argument, potentially attracted to you, so what? Can you go to a beach? I mean you are just wearing your shorts there (I assume), a gay could be attracted to you there...how come a little piece of clothing makes any difference? Should there be some kinda test about your sexual orientation before you enter a locker room? I mean how could you tell someone in the locker room is gay? And if you cannot tell, how can you feel unfomfortable? Therefore I cannot see what is your point, if you cannot tell who is gay and there is a possibility that someone in a locker room is gay, the only way for you to be sure you are not is a same locker room as a gay guy really is that you never go into a locker room.

 

Homophobic, homophobic, bla bla bla... I´m so tired of these cliches. Everything is homophobic to you. Seems like you´re a total paranoid...

 

I do have to agree with the people in here that you are the most homophobic person here. It is homophobic to say gays shouldn't be in a same locker room as straghts for example just like it used to be rasict for whites to say that blacks shouldnt be in a same bus etc as they. And therefore like now if a white do not want to be in a same place as a black person they can stay out from there and not the black person so If being in a same locker room as a gay guy is a problem for a homophobe like you, then stay out from the locker room. And that is just one example of you being a homophobe, there are usually several in every post you post in here.

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Again, based on what you are saying most Madonna fans are gays? Some internet forum? Some study about the issue?

Because she is UNIVERSALLY known as a gay icon, and everyone knows that, except morons who want to keep in the politically-correct idiotic speech, that believes it´s offensive that some things are more atractive to gay people the to straight people, and vice-versa. In fact, there was a serious study about Madonna and her image in popular culture, and they researched several of her fan clubs in my country (Brazil), and the average profile of a Madonna fan is male, age between 20-30, student, and GAY. Of course, if you know the meaning of "average" and "tendency" I wouldn´t need to explain to you that this doesn´t mean that she can´t actually have straight male fans. I could mention several other things that seem to be pretty huge among gay people, but cause close to no atraction to straight males. Why do you think marketing uses the expression "gay public...". If there weren´t such things that atract more gay people then straights, then there would be no "gay public" in first place.

 

And a fact that Madonna being "gay-friendly" used in marketing, it is to make money, it doesn't mean that most Madonna fans are gay.

Of course it means. Your statement just makes no sense. If most Madonna male fans were straight, then marketing her as a gay diva would have negative effect trough her fanbase. It would make a few straight people ashamed of buyng her records or going to her concerts. It would make no sense to market her as a "gay icon" if most of her fans were straight. You don´t need to be a master in marketing to aknowledge this very plain fact...

 

It could be that gay fans of Madonna use forums much more that straight fans and therefore that kinda poll would be useless.

Another contradiction... If the preferences of the "gay public" were exactly the same as of the "straight-male-public", then there´d be no reason why gay people would be more likely to visit fan forums. You don´t find offensive the idea (even if it´s just hypothetical) that gay people might use fan forums more then straight people, yet you find it deeply homophobic if someone states that gay people are less likely to enjoy football and sports then straight people. Where´s the reason in that??? There´s not... you just randomly whining about homphobia, a word whose meaning you seem not to even understand.

 

I do have to agree with the people in here that you are the most homophobic person here. It is homophobic to say gays shouldn't be in a same locker room as straghts for example. If that is a problem for a homophobe like you, then stay out from the locker room. And that is just one example, there are usually several in every post you post in here.

 

Because you are a paranoid concerning to homphobia. This problem usually happens with people with low self-esteem. They see everything as deeply offensive to themselves. A simple comment or joke that would be taken with a bit of humour by anyone else can be considered a huge ofense when someone is an irrational PARANOID.

 

If I say a singer like Cliff Richard atracts more old people then teenagers, it´s okay...

If I say MTV targets a teenage public, more then an adult public, it´s okay...

If I say a certain TV show is more interesting to a female public it´s okay...

If I dare to say that football is probably more atractive to a male-straight public then it is to a female public or to a gay-male public, the homophobia paranoia suddenly rings a bell and all the winning starts. Why is it that nobody gets offended if I say, the same way, football is less atractive to females then it is to males? That´s called hypocrisy.

 

Well, I live in a country where football is one of the most important things in popular culture, so much that it´s actually a symbol of this country. Yet, I have no problems to say that, concerning people who surround me, the ones who are more interested in football are by FAR straight males... I´d say they represent pretty much like 90% of the public interested in this sport.

 

It´s not a matter of gay people being afraid of going to stadiums because homophobia. It´s a fact that women (wether they´re straight or not) are much less likely to be interested in football then males, yet they don´t have reasons to be afraid of assuming they like football. They simply don´t seem to feel atracted by it at all. I´d say the same thing just happens with the average gay-male public.

 

Is it deeply offensive or homphobic??? Then sue any paper that ever called Madonna a "gay icon"... Sue every magazine who wrote that some singer or band has a huge "gay appeal"... Sue every TV channel that ever dared to make a show targeted to the "gay public"... Be a politically correct moron that gets offended by any little thing...

Well, I live in a country where football is one of the most important things in popular culture, so much that it´s actually a symbol of this country. Yet, I have no problems to say that, concerning people who surround me, the ones who are more interested in football are by FAR straight males... I´d say they represent pretty much like 90% of the public interested in this sport.

 

you also live in a country that is universally known as incredibly backward and in the dark ages as far as homosexuality is concerned - as you yourelf prove here time and time and time agan with your homophobbic rantings.

 

Thinking things are homophobic means we have self-esteem issues? Err...I belive it's you who lives your life by a Bible, live your life by someoneelse's rules and commands - surely the biggest indication, if there were any needed, that it's actually you who has no self esteem. Or self worth. Or self belief. At all.

 

The bare facts are simple - you don't know ANYBODY who is gay, do you? You base your half-baked nonsense on what your parents, your preacher or your tabloid newspaper tells you, don't you?

 

Any person here who stands up against you ghasly beliefs is immediately labelled a "PC idiot". I wonder if your views on black people are as simpleton-like and neanderthal a your views on gays? Or do people demanding equality for blacks get labelled "PC idiots" by you, too? I mean, how dare one of, ahem, "God's creatures" demand equality in 2008, eh?

 

As for this 'study' carried out regarding Madonna fans being predominantly gay - I'd like to see it. The plain fact is that Madonna has, love her or loathe her, throughout her career, persistently challenged dullard viewpoints like your own with regards to homosexuality. So of course she has many, many gay fans. And many, many straight fans, too. She is, after all, the most successful female musician of our time. I'd say the main reason she has a large number of gay male fans is that gay fans tend to be incredibly loyal throughout the years.... and she's had a lot of fans - and a helluva lot of years, too

 

She has projected being gay, quite rightly, as perfectly equal and equally as normal as you. You seem to forget we don't live in an age (or we, at least, don't live in a country) that allows descrimination of gays. Those days are gone, the days when the church deemed all gay men to hell, spouted that HIV is "God's revenge"... they're gone. Forever. And one of the main reasons for this is that your church, the bigmouths in the houseparty, is so morally bankrupt, so ridden to the core with paedophilia, so awash with gay priests, so smothered in hypocrisy... well, it'd make it even more of a laughing stock than it already is in the modern world. Maybe even Brazil....

I don't understand you, JJN. You show up in this forum about once a month to throw in the odd "pedophilia is more normal than homosexuality" or "most gay people don't like football" or something similar and then you're shocked by all the "PC idiots" who are offended. Can't you take a hint? You're being offensive. You're not looking for a serious discussion, you just like rustling feathers (making people upset). Honestly it's trolling at this point.

Well, I wouldn´t feel comfortable being naked close to someone who can potentially feel atracted,

 

oh please.... you have a ridiculously inflated opinionof yourself. Why on earth would any self-respecting gay man want to eye you up? Are you really so backward that you think gay men dangle their tongues at the first glimpse of a testicle? Or do you think your body is something that gay men would massacre their family to behold? How awful of you... truly grotesque.

 

Not knowing what you look like (and thoroughly not caring, either)... I can imagine your uptight, offensive and pious manner would be enough to put anyone off - male or female, whether you're dressed in the latest fashion (not too gay, though...I mean, a gay man, one of those gay 'stylists' you seem to know a bit too much about, could have designed the underpants you're wearing - do you feel dirty now? :D )...or whether you're parading your privates for the world to see.

 

I tend to find an unattractive mind makes an unattractive person - whether they look like Josh Hartnett or not.

 

Basically - don't flatter yourself in thinking a gay man would eye you up simply because you're naked.... gay men are a little more discerning in my experience....