Don't feed him ammo Peyton. He actually wants to find things to use against the Saturdays. It's quite sad - you'd think that after having established his hate for them and their fans, he'd spend his time talking about music he does like instead of saying the same old things he's said twenty times already to people who couldn't care less, but alas no. Ignore it!

Do you know what I'm sick of? Being called a sheep in every topic going because I brought a product related to Simon Cowell. You're mistaking 'being a sheep' with 'being one of the many fans of one of the biggest shows on tv'. Just because lots of people watch and buy the products doesn't take anything away from the fact it's one of the most entertaining and talked about shows on television. Buying the X Factor single doesn't make me stupid. I didn't buy it because I want to please Simon Cowell or 'line his pockets', I brought it because I like the song, I am a fan of many of the contestants and it's for a good cause (something people mocked before 'oh, only 29p will actually go to the charity' when in fact every penny has, including what would usually be taxed on it). So please stop inferring that because I brought such a product, I am stupid. I am degree educated, in a good job and have many interests outside music, liking and even admiring Simon Cowell does NOT make me a sheep. Leave it.

Also, with regards to the rest of that point, listen to ANY performance of Issues by the Saturdays. I am not trying to say they are a band in any sense, but there are NO expensive sets, the Saturdays provide all the beautifully harmonised vocals, all live, and Una accompanies the song on guitar. And the girls don't need autotune, as their live lounge performances demonstrated... It's all well and good to say you're criticised for liking 'obscure' music, without people appreciating the music itself, but then to make an ignorant comment like that where you bandy the Saturdays into any generic girlband grouping isn't going to help your cause.

Actually, they're going to the US late 2009.

 

Yeah, you think they'll still even be around then....?

 

Why the wait...? They should be out there NOW, if their record company is so damn sure of their popularity, then they shouldn't be waiting over a year to expose them to larger markets...

 

Also, with regards to the rest of that point, listen to ANY performance of Issues by the Saturdays. I am not trying to say they are a band in any sense, but there are NO expensive sets, the Saturdays provide all the beautifully harmonised vocals, all live, and Una accompanies the song on guitar. And the girls don't need autotune, as their live lounge performances demonstrated... It's all well and good to say you're criticised for liking 'obscure' music, without people appreciating the music itself, but then to make an ignorant comment like that where you bandy the Saturdays into any generic girlband grouping isn't going to help your cause.

 

They ARE a generic girlband.... I mean, sorry, but what the fukk makes them essentially any different to the likes of Girls Aloud, or All Saints...? Well, apart from the fact that their tunes aint nearly as good and they ain't sold nearly as many records.... :rolleyes:

 

And your defence of Simon Cowell is utterly pathetic mate... He is an ENEMY of music lovers.... This guy is even WORSE and more objectionable that Pete Waterman ever was.... And his "charidee" single is an utter insult and and offence to common decency and good taste.... How DARE he make a charity record only for the troops and NOT also do a charity record for the Iraqi victims of such an unjust, ILLEGAL war... I find what he did utterly offensive and morally reprehensible.... <_< As bad as if someone came along during the Vietnam war and did a record supporting US troops who massacred Vietnamese villagers..... Or weren't you fukkin' watching the evidence coming from Abu Ghraib....? And I care NOT if that was Americans, they're our allies FFS, so there is a definite guilt by association....

 

And you call yourself "university educated".....

Don't feed him ammo Peyton. He actually wants to find things to use against the Saturdays. It's quite sad - you'd think that after having established his hate for them and their fans, he'd spend his time talking about music he does like instead of saying the same old things he's said twenty times already to people who couldn't care less, but alas no. Ignore it!

 

Blah, blah, blah... whatever jark, if anyone is repeating themselves, it's you... You have NO ANSWER to any of mine or Richard's perfectly valid points so you resort to petty personal, snipey little comments, you are an utter irrelevance to ANY musical debate, because you are totally immature and have no idea how to debate points with any authority or degree of intellect....

 

You know NOTHING about music beyond your own pathetic little cliquey tastes, end of story; debating music with you is like putting a saddle on a fukkin' COW.... :rolleyes:

 

Russ is totally right about you....

You seem to think the Saturdays serve no use because they don't sell - well you're incorrect and that is FACT. They have fans, they serve a purpose. I couldn't give a c**p as to whether they're dropped or not - as you've said they're not on the level of GA or Sugababes - but for now I like them and their music and if it doesn't sell, fine - I WON'T STOP LISTENING TO IT.

 

CAN YOU UN-DER-STAND THAT?

 

I-LIKE-THEIR-MUSIC. I-AM-NOT-A-FAN-OF-THEIR-SALES, BUT-THEIR-MUSIC.

 

GOT-IT?

Do you know what I'm sick of? Being called a sheep in every topic going because I brought a product related to Simon Cowell. You're mistaking 'being a sheep' with 'being one of the many fans of one of the biggest shows on tv'. Just because lots of people watch and buy the products doesn't take anything away from the fact it's one of the most entertaining and talked about shows on television. Buying the X Factor single doesn't make me stupid. I didn't buy it because I want to please Simon Cowell or 'line his pockets', I brought it because I like the song, I am a fan of many of the contestants and it's for a good cause (something people mocked before 'oh, only 29p will actually go to the charity' when in fact every penny has, including what would usually be taxed on it). So please stop inferring that because I brought such a product, I am stupid. I am degree educated, in a good job and have many interests outside music, liking and even admiring Simon Cowell does NOT make me a sheep. Leave it.

 

Wrong: 29p on each 79p download, and £1.29 for each £3.99 CD single copy goes/went directly to the Charity.

 

Personally I'm glad I bought 3 Poppies (£1 each) where 53p per poppy goes to the British Legion charity. Therefore more money goes DIRECTLY to the charity in question whilst not inflicting a WMD (Weapon of Musical Destruction) upon the chart.

 

I don't need The Sun Newspaper to insinuate and insult my intelligent inferring that if I don't buy that musical abhorrance then I am a traitor to the country.

 

The War in Iraq was illegal therefore I don't feel it is correct to buy a record condoning that behaviour. Besides, I'd much rather give more money direct to the people who served this country than the egos of Rupert Murdoch & Simon Cowell.

 

However, if a cryptic message posted today by a certain British icon (voted the Greatest British musician of the 20th Century in 1999 by his peers) who has not released a studio album in 6 years since nearly dying of a heart-attack live on stage in 2003; there may well be a musical response covering (given creedence by a British comedian whom managed to get him to do an excellent cameo on one of his shows) one of his old songs with a pluralistic title to a certain Mariah Carey song where the money will go to the WarChild charity featuring a host of rather good acts (a few of whom have already recorded their vocals) that I'd say have considerably more talent than Laura, JLS, Eoghan, Daniel & Girlband have. Although you (& probably most of Buzzjack) think they are better than Paul McCartney, U2, Arcade Fire, Radiohead, Damon Albarn....

 

Still David Bowie is a rubbish compared to Simon Cowell isn't he. :rolleyes:

 

 

Excuse me, I wasn't defending Simon Cowell as a being, as an industry insider, as anything. I was defending myself and your arrogance to assume anybody who buys something associated to him as 'stupid' or 'sheep'

 

Firstly, it wasn't even his campaign, the Sun brought it to him as his show has the biggest platform for awareness, whether the campaign is right or wrong (which is an opinion, sorry everybody doesn't share yours). Simon Cowell can't make a charity single for everything. At the end of the day he is an entertainment entrepeneur and the campaign he has lended support to has made a lot of money for what I believe is a worthy charity, whether we should be in Iraq or not. I brought it because I am a fan of one of the contestants and because I wanted her voice on record, not because I am interested in lining the pockets of anyone associated with the industry.

You seem to think the Saturdays serve no use because they don't sell - well you're incorrect and that is FACT. They have fans, they serve a purpose.

 

A manufactured pop group that doesn't "shift units" HAS no purpose... That is their function, their ONLY function.... They are not artists, they are not musicians, they are not songwriters... They have a VERY small amount of fans in comparison to similar groups past and present, and that is a fact.... Hell, even the average NME Indie Pop outfit can probably sell 45,000 albums in 3/4 weeks.... As for Metal bands, well, the perception is that they dont sell mega loads, a false perception, because people like you refuse to look at global markets such as Europe, the Americas, SE Asia and Japan, and see the facts; sticking purely to what is going on in UK (maybe the States as well granted), which is a fairly minor market, pretty small beer.... If I was in a band and was selling a million + albums in Continental and Eastern Europe, you think I'd really give a fukk if the UK ignored me...? Fukk no... Seems to be Client's general attitude as well....

I have to hand it to Grimly, he does have a point about Metal bands. They dont have as much commercial support as normal bands do (unless you count very little airplay on "rock" music channels such as Kerrang and Scuzz (:lol: i made a funny)) but they do sell $h!t loads. A lot more than the average pop act will do anyway. Slipknot/Metalica being a perfect example i think?? I dunno i dont pay too much attention to heavy metal :lol:

Excuse me, I wasn't defending Simon Cowell as a being, as an industry insider, as anything. I was defending myself and your arrogance to assume anybody who buys something associated to him as 'stupid' or 'sheep'

 

Firstly, it wasn't even his campaign, the Sun brought it to him as his show has the biggest platform for awareness, whether the campaign is right or wrong (which is an opinion, sorry everybody doesn't share yours). Simon Cowell can't make a charity single for everything. At the end of the day he is an entertainment entrepeneur and the campaign he has lended support to has made a lot of money for what I believe is a worthy charity, whether we should be in Iraq or not. I brought it because I am a fan of one of the contestants and because I wanted her voice on record, not because I am interested in lining the pockets of anyone associated with the industry.

 

It was actually Richard who stated the sheep-like mentality of the Cowell/X-Factor lovers.... But, frankly, I dont think he's wrong tbh, there is something a bit zombie-like about "X-Factor", the fact that nobody who watches it seems to demand anything better is quite telling.... It's really the same sh!te every year, and ultimately, it is only EVER about the egos of the judges....

 

Who's asking him to make a ruddy charity single for everything.... I'm asking him to do one for ONE extra thing, which I think is a far more worthy cause than whatever piece of propaganda sh!te The Scum is trying to push....

 

At the end of the day, Rich is right, if you want to help ex-servicemen, then donate to the Poppy Foundation....

 

I have to hand it to Grimly, he does have a point about Metal bands. They dont have as much commercial support as normal bands do (unless you count very little airplay on "rock" music channels such as Kerrang and Scuzz (:lol: i made a funny)) but they do sell $h!t loads. A lot more than the average pop act will do anyway. Slipknot/Metalica being a perfect example i think?? I dunno i dont pay too much attention to heavy metal :lol:

 

No, they certainly do not get nearly as much commercial support, it took Metallica the best part of a decade to break through, they gathered momentum with each album they released... But, in a way, this is testament to their skills, tenacity and guts to make a go of it by taking the much more difficult path; and when a band like Metallica, Evanescence, Nirvana or Slipknot DO emerge, almost "without permission" as it were, it's a great thing...

 

I have to hand it to Grimly, he does have a point about Metal bands. They dont have as much commercial support as normal bands do (unless you count very little airplay on "rock" music channels such as Kerrang and Scuzz (:lol: i made a funny)) but they do sell $h!t loads. A lot more than the average pop act will do anyway. Slipknot/Metalica being a perfect example i think?? I dunno i dont pay too much attention to heavy metal :lol:

 

I personally would put this down to the fact that there's not as much choice as with pop music.

If you like pop music, there's SO much to choose from and you're really spoiled for choice.

If you're into metal, you don't have as much of a choice and so all metal fans will buy the album.

I'm not stating this as fact and I'm not sad enough to go looking for facts and figures, this is my opinion.

I feel like Evanescence cheated in some way :lol: They had the boost of Daredevil (well... sort of..) and having their track being on the soundtrack and also some of their songs are quite commercial. A lot more commercial than what most of the bands that you listed release.

 

I do have to say though, as much as i would like them to be, i cant see The Saturdays doing something great in music history and cant see them lasting as long as GA have... Although i am waiting to be proven wrong...

I personally would put this down to the fact that there's not as much choice as with pop music.

If you like pop music, there's SO much to choose from and you're really spoiled for choice.

If you're into metal, you don't have as much of a choice and so all metal fans will buy the album.

I'm not stating this as fact and I'm not sad enough to go looking for facts and figures, this is my opinion.

Not really.. i would say that there are very few successful metal acts but i wouldnt say that there was little to choose from. Im not a major fan of Metal, or even rock (bar a few exceptional fantastic bands) but there is something Metal and Rock bands have that some pop acts lack...

If you (not you in particular but people in general) were open minded and actually sat down and listened with an open mind to a good Disturbed, 30 Seconds To Mars, My Chemical Romance, AFI album or even track, and compare it to a pop act theres a huge difference. Not just in music taste but in quality (lyrics, music, vocals etc). Again there are some exceptions to some but very few pop acts...

Edited November 19, 200816 yr by Joao Filipe

I wouldn't say the bands you listed were METAL, though.

I've listened to all of their albums/songs and I've enjoyed them.

I don't like all of these screaming and screeching songs that go on for 19 minutes or something... lol.

I wouldn't say the bands you listed were METAL, though.

I've listened to all of their albums/songs and I've enjoyed them.

I don't like all of these screaming and screeching songs that go on for 19 minutes or something... lol.

Metal and rock bands do get round about the same recognition, even though it can be argued that Rock can be more commercial.

But if its Metal that you want, i have heard some of Slipknots album and you can still tell a difference in quality.

I'd completely disagree with you there... You don't get more commercial than hosting the EMA's with Katy Perry. (30STM style)

I'm sorry, but Rock is completely commercial now.

The only reason Metal isn't as commercial is because you either love it or hate it, most pop and rock songs can be growers etc..

If you played Metal on radio, the majority of people would hate it, to them it's just noise.

Edited November 19, 200816 yr by PeytonDavis

I personally would put this down to the fact that there's not as much choice as with pop music.

If you like pop music, there's SO much to choose from and you're really spoiled for choice.

If you're into metal, you don't have as much of a choice and so all metal fans will buy the album.

I'm not stating this as fact and I'm not sad enough to go looking for facts and figures, this is my opinion.

 

Nonsense.... :lol: Sorry, but, you really know NOTHING about the Metal genre and its MANY sub-categories if you honestly believe that there is no "choice" out there... At the last count you have the following sub-genres to choose from - Hard Rock (Alice Cooper, AC/DC, Guns N Roses), Metal (Metallica, Iron Maiden, Megadeth), Progressive Metal (Tool, Opeth, Mastodon, Machine Head) , Gothic Metal (Moonspell, Lacuna Coil, Tristania), Symphonic Metal (Nightwish, Within Temptation, Rhapsody), Death Metal (Meshuggah, Dark Tranquility, Lamb of God, Nile), Black Metal (Cradle of Filth, Emperor, Darkthrone, Dimmu Borgir), Extreme Metal (Zyklon, Barzum, Slayer, Behemoth, Sepultura), Industrial Metal (Marilyn Manson, Rammstein), Nu Metal (Korn, Slipknot), Gothic Rock (Evanescence, HIM), Battle Metal (Dream Evil, Dragonforce), Underground Metal (Khanate, Cult of Luna, Isis), Metalcore (Avenged Sevenfold, Bullet For My Valentine, Funeral for a Friend), Punk Metal (Amen, System of a Down)... This is by no means an exhaustive list, I probably could go on, but you get the picture....

 

But, no choice...??? Are you kidding me....? You're making exactly the same mistake Jark is, you aint looking anywhere other than UK.... Continental and Eastern Europe is a VERY fertile ground for Metal of all hues and varieties, and the US has all sorts too.... Thanks to the wonders of the Internet, it is incredibly easy for the average Metaller to access material from acts big or small all over the world....

 

Manufactured Pop acts are pretty much ten a penny though.... And they all seem to have a tendency to sound rather identikit no matter where they're from, it's all a bit standardized innit (apart from something like J-Pop which is a peculiarly Japanese phenomenon and really sounds like nothing else on Earth)....? But Metal has very real differences according to geography and cultures... US/Continental/Eastern European/UK/Asian/Latin American/Middle-Eastern (yes, there are a few in places like Turkey and North Africa for example..) Metal acts really have very radical differences in how they approach things.....