I'd be interested in doing rematches. :o Sounds fun. Not like it would take AGES or anything, just for a bit of fun...don't think it'd devalue winners at all, comign from someone who's won 3 times.

surely it would be a bit deflating if a song that you won with suddenly trailed in 15th in the re-run

 

you'd feel like it shouldn't have won in the first place :(

surely it would be a bit deflating if a song that you won with suddenly trailed in 15th in the re-run

 

you'd feel like it shouldn't have won in the first place :(

I agree, but like Tyron said, this is probably going to happen in the Best Of contest anyway. I'm expecting 'Black Butta' to finish below 'I Don't Know' in the final at least. I expect it will probably happen with other winners (Paper Planes above t.a.T.u - IKAG below a few BJSC VII songs - Jordin above Dixie Chicks)

 

I'm just not sure how revisiting would work - not all of the countries will return to cast their votes etc. I'd still love to vote though, nominating for the Best Of made me wish I was involved then. (partly because there was less worries about qualifying too - I'd love to be able to send something just to see how it would do and not feel at risk) As long as my 'award' isn't at stake I don't mind I guess. :heehee:

There are so many other factors to consider though, each contest represents a snapshot of particular people at a particular time. We could rerun each contest once a month and it would have completely different results because some songs grow and others get boring, some go on to be big hits and some flop...

 

It would be like rerunning one of the old 90s Eurovisions and asking Armenia, Serbia and Ukraine to vote too, the results would be completely different!

 

If we have to go down this route, we should also redo all of the other BJSC's, mixing up the semi finals differently to see what different songs would inevitably qualify for the final!

oh and if Freeze beats Not Ready To Make Nice in the Best Of it will be a crime :P there's a very good reason one won and one came 19th :heehee:

 

this was one of the rare occasions that Bhangra sent a far superior song to Kopecka!

But it's not like if one song wins the rematch the award gets taken away? All of the songs that won rightfully won. Revisiting the contests would just be a bit of fun to see what would happen if a song was entered now. I do not see why people are so adamantly against this? Are you that worried that your songs will do worse in the rematch? D:

oh and if Freeze beats Not Ready To Make Nice in the Best Of it will be a crime :P there's a very good reason one won and one came 19th :heehee:

 

this was one of the rare occasions that Bhangra sent a far superior song to Kopecka!

I just think someone like Jordin Sparks is more BJSC friendly than the Dixie Chicks at the moment. That said, she might not finish higher than them as Jordin has to be nominated first and then get through what will be a STRONG semi before even getting to the them.

 

But it's not like if one song wins the rematch the award gets taken away? All of the songs that won rightfully won. Revisiting the contests would just be a bit of fun to see what would happen if a song was entered now. I do not see why people are so adamantly against this? Are you that worried that your songs will do worse in the rematch? D:

In that case, I really don't mind. I'm not anymore against it than I am to the Best Of, especially since I have one entry in the first 6 contests.

Revoting in the earlier BJSCs? :manson: I refuse to take part if this is to happen. Completely pointless and takes away the initial winners' achievements... It's also a complete overkill of the whole thing.

But it's not like if one song wins the rematch the award gets taken away? All of the songs that won rightfully won. Revisiting the contests would just be a bit of fun to see what would happen if a song was entered now. I do not see why people are so adamantly against this? Are you that worried that your songs will do worse in the rematch? D:

I agree! :lol: Everyone seems to be thinking that this will somehow erase their achievements - it would just be a bit of fun, run alongside the contest (I'm considering asking for a subforum to cater for spin-off contests such as the Best of BJSC etc.) to see how songs entered in earlier contests would fair in the post-Untouched contest set-up. As someone who did very well pre-Untouched (my best results come from before BJSC VI), I don't see what the massive problem is? :unsure:

But it's not like if one song wins the rematch the award gets taken away? All of the songs that won rightfully won. Revisiting the contests would just be a bit of fun to see what would happen if a song was entered now. I do not see why people are so adamantly against this? Are you that worried that your songs will do worse in the rematch? D:

 

I'm not worried about my songs doing worse because I think Natasha and Delta (my first 2 flops) would actually do better in rematches, I just fear that some people would say, 'oh well that should never have won anyway, the rematches prove it' etc...

 

Love Song would obviously do worse now because everyone knows it and is bored of it -_-

I think it is a terrible terrible terrible idea. And I won't be taking part.

 

As different as the earlier contests may have been the songs won fair and square. We're doing the best of, so as far as tinkering with older results goes it should be left at that.

I think it is a terrible terrible terrible idea. And I won't be taking part.

 

As different as the earlier contests may have been the songs won fair and square. We're doing the best of, so as far as tinkering with older results goes it should be left at that.

 

I have to agree 100% with you and David, sorry Trash :cry:

I think it is a terrible terrible terrible idea. And I won't be taking part.

 

As different as the earlier contests may have been the songs won fair and square. We're doing the best of, so as far as tinkering with older results goes it should be left at that.

We won't be at all tinkering with the earlier results! :P They'll stand as they always have done, the point is to see how the contests would occur in the post-Untouched environment...for example, pretty much everybody is certain that The Final Countdown wouldn't come 2nd nowadays, to say nothing of it not qualifying at all! :o

 

I don't understand why people think that the integrity of a result is so sacred yet go along with the Best of :unsure:

I think it is a terrible terrible terrible idea. And I won't be taking part.

 

As different as the earlier contests may have been the songs won fair and square. We're doing the best of, so as far as tinkering with older results goes it should be left at that.

 

I totally agree.

 

The whole point of the competition is to pick the right song at the right time for that moment in time aiming to produce a peak spike in popularity at the time of that competition possibly taking into account the nations involved and what songs they are likely to favour. To revisit the old competitions is a big no no, and I will definitely not participate if it goes ahead.

 

The BJSC has evolved as time as gone on so I can't see the point of replaying old competitions.

 

The Best of is a completely different concept so is therefore a great idea.

I totally agree.

 

The whole point of the competition is to pick the right song at the right time for that moment in time aiming to produce a peak spike in popularity at the time of that competition possibly taking into account the nations involved and what songs they are likely to favour. To revisit the old competitions is a big no no, and I will definitely not participate if it goes ahead.

 

The BJSC has evolved as time as gone on so I can't see the point of replaying old competitions.

 

The Best of is a completely different concept so is therefore a great idea.

 

Contradiction? :unsure:

I totally agree.

 

The whole point of the competition is to pick the right song at the right time for that moment in time aiming to produce a peak spike in popularity at the time of that competition possibly taking into account the nations involved and what songs they are likely to favour. To revisit the old competitions is a big no no, and I will definitely not participate if it goes ahead.

 

The BJSC has evolved as time as gone on so I can't see the point of replaying old competitions.

 

The Best of is a completely different concept so is therefore a great idea.

 

I agree, and I wonder how many countries would actually want to take part in it if it's going alongside the regular contests...other countries who have recently joined have I'm sure got better things to do than listen to the 100+ songs from the pre-Untouched era...why would you want to vote in contests that you can't participate in directly? and as for the people that were in those finals (e.g. FSR Rontvia, Mdice, Kopecka, USR, Kylienips), surely we would just submit our original votes again, I know I would :lol: I can't say that my opinions on any of those songs from the first few contests have vastly changed over time...so for me at least, it would be a pointless excersie, and I don't think I would participate just because I feel like it would be wasting my time slightly...what's done is done, I'd rather have more spin off contests in the form of 'foreign songs', 'male songs' etc...rather than re-running old contests...I think they would get a lot more attention from the recently joined countries too as everyone could participate in these, not just the original countries

Contradiction? :unsure:

 

not really, I can see where Rich is coming from

 

Best of BJSC is a great idea because it is the best of the best, we get to see where all of the winners rank alongside each other

 

re-runs wouldn't prove anything other than what we already know, the contest has evolved and is very different now...ok, same with Eurovision, I'm sure Dima Bilan wouldn't have ever won in the late 1990's/early 00's but that doesn't mean we should rerun the 2000 Eurovision to see if Olsen Brothers would still win in 2008 (which they clearly wouldn't)!

 

rant over :lol: I just wanted to try to explain why I felt so strongly about this...it's not that I'm worried about my songs doing worse, it's because I think there are better spin offs that we could do instead which everyone could feel equally involved in

not really, I can see where Rich is coming from

 

Best of BJSC is a great idea because it is the best of the best, we get to see where all of the winners rank alongside each other

 

re-runs wouldn't prove anything other than what we already know, the contest has evolved and is very different now...ok, same with Eurovision, I'm sure Dima Bilan wouldn't have ever won in the late 1990's/early 00's but that doesn't mean we should rerun the 2000 Eurovision to see if Olsen Brothers would still win in 2008 (which they clearly wouldn't)!

 

Oh OK, i understand :lol: Sorry, it took me a while :kink:

Edited November 2, 200816 yr by James.

I agree, and I wonder how many countries would actually want to take part in it if it's going alongside the regular contests...other countries who have recently joined have I'm sure got better things to do than listen to the 100+ songs from the pre-Untouched era...why would you want to vote in contests that you can't participate in directly? and as for the people that were in those finals (e.g. FSR Rontvia, Mdice, Kopecka, USR, Kylienips), surely we would just submit our original votes again, I know I would :lol: I can't say that my opinions on any of those songs from the first few contests have vastly changed over time...so for me at least, it would be a pointless excersie, and I don't think I would participate just because I feel like it would be wasting my time slightly...what's done is done, I'd rather have more spin off contests in the form of 'foreign songs', 'male songs' etc...rather than re-running old contests...I think they would get a lot more attention from the recently joined countries too as everyone could participate in these, not just the original countries

I wouldn't submit my original votes again for the key reason that time has changed my taste...I wouldn't give Mdice the douze in BJSC II were I to vote now for one :o And the other suggested spin-offs would still occur - we only have five contests that would be re-run! :lol:

 

I wonder what NSC made of the idea when it was first proposed? :unsure:

I wouldn't submit my original votes again for the key reason that time has changed my taste...I wouldn't give Mdice the douze in BJSC II were I to vote now for one :o And the other suggested spin-offs would still occur - we only have five contests that would be re-run! :lol:

 

I wonder what NSC made of the idea when it was first proposed? :unsure:

 

obviously I wouldn't give Spice Girls the 12 like I did in BJSCI but I didn't really get the whole concept of the contest back then :heehee: my voting would be all over the place though and so confusing, do I give Tattoo the 12 because it was unknown back then but is known now? or do I give Push The Button the 12 because it's better than Tattoo but was a cheap entry back then? or do I listen again to all the really unknown entries that I would have proabably not given much of a chance to at the time and give them a 12 because they were the only songs that weren't cheap? all I remember about BJSCI is that it was a sea of cheapness and Macedonian songs :rofl:

 

I don't know about the NSC, but I don't think every idea that works well there also works well here :P