The best thing to come out of 94' is this.

 

 

There definitely hasn't been enough metal represented here in retro, especially seeing as it is one of the biggest genres.

 

Same with hip-hop as well.

There definitely hasn't been enough metal represented here in retro, especially seeing as it is one of the biggest genres.

 

Same with hip-hop as well.

 

true.... but i guess metal fans have their own forum and tend to be metal fans as opposed to retro fans.

I dunno. There is lots to retro metal. The early years of Purple and Sabbath. NWOBHM and all that hair metal of the 80s. Maybe there are some threads there but maybe they won't have enough people responding...

First off, I don't only moan if it doesn't feature indie. It is my favourite genre but I have shown that it is not the only music I listen to and like.

 

TBH I would say there is something wrong with "an occasional 3 minute no-brainer that has nostalgia value even if its musically tripe"

 

Tripe music is tripe music. If you thought it is tripe then why would you like it.

 

So I'm narrow-minded am I? Because I don't like p***-poor mainstream chart music. I have liked and will continue to like good pop (Kylie, Madonna, Sugababes, Girls Aloud, the list goes on) and dance (Prodigy, Underworld, ska, reggae, disco etc) and continue to diss rubbish that probably would have made it onto The Hitman and Her. I loved Acid when it first came out around 88. I also liked some drum and bass and Jungle as well. Commercial trance music was worthless and has led into a musical cul-de-sac with the relentless remixing of old tracks.

 

Even your point about recognising a track's worth comes down to personal taste. What constitutes a track's worth is down to your own personal opinion again. You can say it was a popular piece of pop but then that's what the charts are for. Even your point about Saturday Night being a defining track of 94 is down to personal judgement. If any track is going to define 94 then it would be Love is All Around would surely be the track. But that is my opinion. (And I think it is dreadful tosh by the way, just like you do)

 

tracks appeal on several levels, one of which IS nostaligia. if you are having a good time and a p*** poor track (like staurday night) is being played... it sticks, like it or not, so when i hear saturday night now i remember the good times i had in majorca in 94. so i reckon a track doesnt HAVE to be musically good, cool, decent, or whatever to have earnt a place in ones affections.

 

ok i might have been abit harsh on you, tbh i have long been fed up with 'oh so cool alternative fans' ever since the genre was formed because they (like prog rockers prior) use it as some sort of term of abuse towards other musical styles as if they are superior... i was possibly misplaced in crediting you with that attitude in which case i apologise.

 

actually your point on trance is true... it did lead to a cultural cul-de-sac as history has shown that it didnt develop any further... but id suggest that trance was the pinacle of dance and without repeating itself (which lets face it, is what indie/britpop/mod has done for 40 years) it had nowhere to go. i detest 99% of dance remixes.

 

my point about saturday night being A defining track, not THE defining track. if i have time ill put together an album of tracks that id suggest defined 94... and whigfield and the wets would be on it.

To Rob...

 

I have to agree with Grebo here, to even attempt to leave out personal tastes and opinions when making up something like this is both pointless and dishonest.... Whigfield's tracks is an utterly sh"t awful song, and it has been largely forgotten (as has she), whereas people continue to listen to Nirvana records and remember where they were when they heard that Kurt Cobain died (which was 1994 by the way); so in terms of impact, for MY generation, the death of Kurt Cobain has a FAR, FAR greater impact on our remembrances and psyches than some piece of sh"t Europop, the same way, I am sure for YOUR generation, the defining moment is the death of John Lennon rather than Joe Dolce's "Shaddupayourface" (I dunno, was that 1980...? :unsure: )....

 

So EXCUSE ME all to hell if I choose to say a Nirvana track has more significance to me than "Saturday Night"... I guess I'm a snob... I dont see why I should pretend to be "down with the kids" on BJ and suck arse at whatever piece of over-hyped pap happens to be the "in" thing.... That aint me, never has been....

Sadly no room for Whigfield, Doop, Shampoo, Pato Banton or CJ Lewis in this list. Come to think of it they would not make my top one million songs of 1994. :lol:

 

A fantastic year for music, even if it was a very poor one for pop music IMHO:

 

Top 20 (One song per act):

 

1. Oasis - Live Forever - The best song Noel Gallagher will ever write.

2. Jeff Buckley - Grace - The title track of probably the most influential album in music of the past 15 years.

3. Suede - Stay Together - The stand alone epic single written between debut and second albums.

4. Morrissey - The More You Ignore Me, The Closer I Get - Stephen was at his lyrical best with this Steve Lillywhite produced gem.

5. The Beastie Boys - Sabotage - A fantastic edgy track with a brilliant cop video to match.

6. Blur - This Is A Low - The epic stand out closing track from their career defining Parklife album.

7. Mazzy Star - Fade Into You - A country tinged Generation X attempt at recreating the vibe of Velvet Underground & Nico.

8. Prodigy - No Good (Start The Dance) - Just pips Voodoo People as the best track they made this year.

9. Bomb The Bass - Bug Powder Dust - Musically Tim Simenon predated the sound of Fatboy Slim by the best part of half a decade with this track that really should have been a Top 3 smash hit.

10. Beck - Loser - To think back then he looked like he could be filed with Radiohead as a one hit wonder.

11. Portishead - Sour Times - This very cinematic trip hop track complimented by Beth Gibbons melodramatic vocals "Nobody loves me, it's true ...."

12. Nirvana - The Man Who Sold The World - A heartfelt beautiful attempt at the David Bowie classic.

13. Manic Street Preachers - Faster - Taken from their career highpoint/commercial low point the nihilistic The Holy Bible album this track lyrically & musically takes no prisoners.

14. Pulp - Do You Remember The First Time - A fantastic song about losing your virginity that saw Jarvis Cocker & co reach the Top 40 for the first time.

15. Electrafixion - Zephyr - The fantastic distorted echo rocking debut single by Ian McCulloch & Will Sergeant out of Echo & The Bunnymen produced by Youth.

16. Supergrass - Caught By The Fuzz - This was their debut PowerPop inspired single all about getting into trouble with the Law.

17. Stone Roses - Love Spreads - This Led Zep inspired track was the best thing about a very disappointing Second Coming album.

18. Stereolab - Ping Pong - A marvellous track that "Saint" John Peel played a lot on his Radio 1 show.

19. Tori Amos - Cornflake Girl - A great bonkers lead single from a rather disappointing album Under The Pink.

20. Jesus & Mary Chain ft Hope Sandoval - Sometimes Always - A superb attempt at writing and recording a Lee Hazlewood & Nancy Sinatra style track with the lead vocalist of Mazzy Star.

OMG I missed out Mazzy Star. Yeah I missed out Jeff Buckley as well. But I missed out MAZZY STAR!

Oh, I have missed Oasis, (Live Forever), Mazzy Star, and Jeff Buckley. All three would have been in my top 20, Oasis no 2 behing The Smashing Pumpkins.

Saturday Night has hardly been forgotten. Its one of those songs that everyone knows and remembers, even if they didnt like at the time.

Saturday Night has hardly been forgotten. Its one of those songs that everyone knows and remembers, even if they didnt like at the time.

 

"Saturday Night" is a musical version of a brain tumour mate, it just keeps cropping up every so often in the brain, doesn't mean it's any fukkin' GOOD....:rolleyes:

OMG I missed out Mazzy Star. Yeah I missed out Jeff Buckley as well. But I missed out MAZZY STAR!

 

Actually, if we were talking albums, then "So Tonight That I Can See" would absolutely be in there.... I should have mentioned Mazzy Star actually... "She's My Baby" was one of my "Indie Faves" in that thread I did a while ago....

 

"Fade Into You" is indeed a beautiful song..... I dunno, maybe I thought "Fade Into You" was '93 or summat for some reason.... :unsure: It just didn't stick in my mind as being from '94...

 

Sadly no room for Whigfield, Doop, Shampoo, Pato Banton or CJ Lewis in this list. Come to think of it they would not make my top one million songs of 1994. :lol:

 

A fantastic year for music, even if it was a very poor one for pop music IMHO:

 

That's exactly what I thought mate... And there aint NOBODY gonna tell me that bloody Whigfield was somehow more musically significant than the trip-hop axis of Massive Attack, Portishead and Tricky..... That's just fukkin' laughable..... :lol: :lol:

 

To Rob...

 

I have to agree with Grebo here, to even attempt to leave out personal tastes and opinions when making up something like this is both pointless and dishonest.... Whigfield's tracks is an utterly sh"t awful song, and it has been largely forgotten (as has she), whereas people continue to listen to Nirvana records and remember where they were when they heard that Kurt Cobain died (which was 1994 by the way); so in terms of impact, for MY generation, the death of Kurt Cobain has a FAR, FAR greater impact on our remembrances and psyches than some piece of sh"t Europop, the same way, I am sure for YOUR generation, the defining moment is the death of John Lennon rather than Joe Dolce's "Shaddupayourface" (I dunno, was that 1980...? :unsure: )....

 

So EXCUSE ME all to hell if I choose to say a Nirvana track has more significance to me than "Saturday Night"... I guess I'm a snob... I dont see why I should pretend to be "down with the kids" on BJ and suck arse at whatever piece of over-hyped pap happens to be the "in" thing.... That aint me, never has been....

 

 

"Saturday Night" is a musical version of a brain tumour mate, it just keeps cropping up every so often in the brain, doesn't mean it's any fukkin' GOOD....:rolleyes:

 

 

That's exactly what I thought mate... And there aint NOBODY gonna tell me that bloody Whigfield was somehow more musically significant than the trip-hop axis of Massive Attack, Portishead and Tricky..... That's just fukkin' laughable..... :lol: :lol:

 

3 words.....

 

MISSED THE POINT

 

by a mile....

 

i did NOT say that 'saturday night' was musically good, that it is important, that it added anything musically to the year...

 

the point being that some records CAN be included in ones 'favourite' list not because they are good but because they are pure nostalgia. they remind you of an instance in time when you were enjoying yourself. now ill repeat, that 'saturday night' IS a load of bollox musically, but it scores with me because it was playing all the time in majorca when i was there having drunken nights fun with some friends..... so how tf can a nirvana track take me back there to that instance in time when nirvana wasnt even being PLAYED there?.... i use this as an example, but ill not re-write my life to be 'cool' and neither should anyone else. a 'favourite track' therefore you can include trash music for pure nostalgia.

 

'saturday night' should be included in a 'definitive list of tracks from 94' because like 'love is all around' it was BIG.... creating a definitive list would have to include tracks that defined a mood and there would have to be variety both musically good and bad.

 

as for nirvana..... i dont like them... i dont like grunge, im indifferend to kurt cobains death as to me he was just another rock/pop loony who went too far... .... that is a personal point of view, im not submitting it as a definitive stand, im fully aware that some worship nirvana and that they were influencial in their day... the fact is ... i simply didnt like them and im not going to just to be 'hip' and 'cool'.

 

Saturday Night has hardly been forgotten. Its one of those songs that everyone knows and remembers, even if they didnt like at the time.

 

EXACTLY! :)

TBH I wasn't even in the UK for the whole of 1994 so Whigfield didn't even make it onto my radar then and when I did come back and find out it had been #1 I thought wtf have you lot been on. I have never been to Ibiza or Majorca and have never understand why these tracks make it into our charts every bloody year. Does everybody who goes there have a taste by-pass for 2 weeks. It's the same at Christmas.

 

Now I have some appalling J-Pop singles from the time and if I listen to them they take me right back to those times but I would never dream of putting them on a best of list because they aren't very good. End of.

Edited November 16, 200816 yr by grebo69

"Saturday Night" is a musical version of a brain tumour mate, it just keeps cropping up every so often in the brain, doesn't mean it's any fukkin' GOOD....:rolleyes:

 

I think if you go through every post with a fine tooth comb, no one has suggested this is considered a classic in the sense of musical value.

 

I think it would be fair to say this was more of an "event" really. It's certainly not a track I would play out of choice but I still no the dance to this and after a few bevvies, I'm in full bloody swing! :dance:

Does everybody who goes there have a taste by-pass for 2 weeks. It's the same at Christmas.

 

Now I have some appalling J-Pop singles from the time and if I listen to them they take me right back to those times but I would never dream of putting them on a best of list because they aren't very good. End of.

 

I wonder the same thing to be honest.... Frankly, I wouldn't be caught dead in some touristy sh!t-hole trap like Majorca or Ibiza....

It's certainly not a track I would play out of choice but I still no the dance to this and after a few bevvies, I'm in full bloody swing! :dance:

 

So, in other words you have to be totally p!ssed to 'enjoy' it..... :lol: :lol: :P

 

Its a party song. I guess most people's memories of the song are related to going out with friends and having a GOOD time. I assume that's why most people listed the song as one of their favourites. I'd certainly list Saturday Night as a favourite a lot sooner than any Nirvana song, I couldnt stand them at all. That comes down to me not liking rock or grunge or whatever...

3 words.....

 

MISSED THE POINT

 

by a mile....

 

i did NOT say that 'saturday night' was musically good, that it is important, that it added anything musically to the year...

 

the point being that some records CAN be included in ones 'favourite' list not because they are good but because they are pure nostalgia. they remind you of an instance in time when you were enjoying yourself. now ill repeat, that 'saturday night' IS a load of bollox musically, but it scores with me because it was playing all the time in majorca when i was there having drunken nights fun with some friends.....

 

When I was six years old, I was dancing at Christmas parties to "The Birdie Song" with my mum and grannie (which I mention as a take-up on Grebo's point about people's musical tastes totally regressing TO that of a bloomin' 6-year old everytime Christmas comes round... :rolleyes: ), er, so I should include that in a "Best Of...." should I...??? ROFLMAO.... Gimme a break, "Saturday Night" is TOTALLY on that level of puerile, along with "Crazy Frog" and "Bob The Builder".... Even IF something is nostalgia and fun at that particular time, we should be able to remember the fun times, but still think, "bloody hell, THE BIRDIE SONG??? WTF??????".

 

"Saturday Night" - file under Sh"tty Novelty Record and forget and move on....

 

As for "Love Is All Around" - Wet Wet Wet - file under - "God, What WERE People Thinking"..... :rolleyes: (same category as Bryan Adams....)

 

I just dont get you sometimes man, there you are tearing strips off people who rate PWL stuff and then defend THIS sort of garbage on the same sort of dubious grounds that defenders of PWL do, they would say about "I Should Be So Lucky" more or less EXACTLY the same argument you use to defend "Saturday Night"... Whigfield is the same level of sh!t (if not worse..) than Kylie, Jason, Rick, Sonia.....