I saw this today and it was better than I expected. Not nearly as good as the two first parts but better than the 3rd part (mainly because I disliked the John Conner and his girlfriend characters/actors in the last one and this time all characters were ok). Too bad they jumped the PG-13 rating bandwagon this time because Terminator has always been an R-rated franchise and should have stayed that way IMO. Loads of action, well-made, decent plot, and decent acting equals decent movie.

Edited June 4, 200916 yr by JackJones

I saw this today and it was better than I expected. Not nearly as good as the two first parts but better than the 3rd part (mainly because I disliked the John Conner and his girlfriend characters/actors in the last one and this time all characters were ok). Too bad they jumped the PG-13 rating bandwagon this time because Terminator has always been an R-rated franchise and should have stayed that way IMO. Loads of action, well-made, decent plot, and decent acting equals decent movie.

 

So, you didn't mind the huge, gaping plot holes then.....? :P

 

You know, er, such as

HOW THE FUKK DOES SKYNET FIND OUT THAT KYLE REESE IS JOHN CONNOR'S FATHER......?

 

Yeah, I real sure that Sarah Connor put Kyle's name on the birth certificate.......

 

 

Not seen it yet, but read about this (and many, many other leaps of logic the film takes) on IMDb, frankly this just screams to me "BIG PILE OF POO" and "RIDICULOUS PLOT DEVICE".....

 

I'm probably going to see this at the weekend, but I really, really dont expect much.. I'm seriously beginning to think that it's high time James Cameron took control back of this thing and gave it to a decent film-maker to have a go....

So, you didn't mind the huge, gaping plot holes then.....? :P

 

No, not at all in films like this. I mean I expected this to be a no-brainer summer movie, just pure entertainment for some two hours and that is what I got. I mean does someone expect films like this not to have plot holes etc? These films are not meant to be taken seriously. And TBH, there are plot holes (small or big ones), mistakes in continuity etc in pretty much every film including probably almost all Academy Award winning films. There are films in which plot holes etc really can make the difference and films in which those really doesn't matter that much and Terminator 4 belongs to the latter category.

 

I agree loads of explosions, and no plot at all,

woo hoo, blow up skynet and its all over

, its ok-ish but I wouldn't call it a summer blockbuster, I'm really disappointed. At least the Robots got upgraded, and a LOL moment seeing Arnie in the nuddy.

 

I saw a trailer for another Christian Bale movie with Johnny Depp which looks a whole lot better, about John Dillinger, this looks far better.

and a LOL moment seeing Arnie in the nuddy.

 

That ruined it slightly for me, there was no need to have a CGI imposed Arnie for the sake of it, unless they were going to show how he was a) captured, reprogrammed and sent back to protect john ala T2, or sent back in time to kill Sarah when she was pregnant.

No, not at all in films like this. I mean I expected this to be a no-brainer summer movie, just pure entertainment for some two hours and that is what I got. I mean does someone expect films like this not to have plot holes etc? These films are not meant to be taken seriously. And TBH, there are plot holes (small or big ones), mistakes in continuity etc in pretty much every film including probably almost all Academy Award winning films. There are films in which plot holes etc really can make the difference and films in which those really doesn't matter that much and Terminator 4 belongs to the latter category.

 

I expect a franchise to have some kind of coherency within its continuity.... Put it this way

....If Skynet knows Kyle Reese in John Connor's father in 2018, then pray tell me, Einstein, why exactly the FUKK does Skynet in 2029, bother to send back a Terminator to 1984 to kill Sarah Connor....

:rolleyes:

 

To me, that makes an utter nonsense of the whole thing.... Cameron's vision was well thought out in The Terminator and in T2, Summer blockbusters dont get any better than T2 mate, it's one of the absolute best blockbuster films of all time, and that was a superb example of how a good plot, good characters and great action can come together in harmony... THIS piece of cr@p is just a fukkin' insult to the intelligence..... You can tell that James Cameron has had absolutely sod all to do with the past two films, BECAUSE THEY ARE UTTER SH!TE.....

 

I cant believe that Terminator SCC was cancelled and this piece of absolute garbage got greenlit.... I'll say to you what I said to the Britney fans in the Lip synching thread in The Pop Forum... Just why do people have such low expectations of ANY film....? It's ridiculous.... A film which costs about $200 million to make has ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to be this bad..... Oh, yeah, it all LOOKS nice and pretty, with nice FX and explosions, but that's just like putting a layer of icing on a cake that's made out of sh!t......

 

For all the reasons that this film ISN'T like Cameron's first two truly GREAT blockbusters.... This film gets 0/10 from me.... SHAME on Christian Bale for being involved in this pish.... I can see why he went into Tourettes Overload on the set, I felt like launching into a torrent of foul-mouthed abuse when I was in the cinema watching this absolute crud..... <_< I feel sorry for anyone who had to spend the best part of a tenner on this piece of sh!t.... At least I can always walk away with the thought that I used my unlimited cinema card..... :P

That ruined it slightly for me, there was no need to have a CGI imposed Arnie for the sake of it, unless they were going to show how he was a) captured, reprogrammed and sent back to protect john ala T2, or sent back in time to kill Sarah when she was pregnant.

 

Well, that would hardly happen would it...? "Salvation" is set a decade before the "Arnie" cyborg is sent back to kill Sarah Connor...... :lol: And, this is crux of the whole problem with this film imo.... The very idea of having this Arnie moment in a film set in 2018 is nonsense.... It would surely mean that the Arnie cyborg is already about 10 years obsolete by the time it's sent back to kill Sarah in 2029.... Look at how far technology has progressed from 1999 - 2009, are the film-makers honestly expecting us to believe that similar pretty major advances in technology is beyond the ken of Skynet....? Why would Skynet send back a model that's over a decade old to kill Sarah....? ROFLMAO... There are just SO many holes and flaws in this film that frankly, it's almost entertainment in itself to spot all the plot/continuity fukk ups.... :lol:

 

Salvation is a laughable film because it honestly expects the fans of the franchise to not be able to pick up on such glaringly obvious errors..... It insults the intelligence of Sci-Fi fans, and well, Sci Fi fans are really the worst types of fan to try and fool, because they have the intelligence to pick up on anything and everything, you just have to look at the quality of the posts on the messageboards on IMDb for various sci-fi films or shows, these fans are seriously smart.....

 

At least the Robots got upgraded, and a LOL moment seeing Arnie in the nuddy.

 

But "upgrading" the robots is plain DAFT surely.... The film is set over a decade before the events which lead to the first two films..... In T1, Skynet sends back a terminator from 2029, which is a decade after this film is set...... I just for the life of me cannot understand WHY 'Salvation' wasn't set in 2029, such a simple thing would have negated all the plot holes.... If you're going to set this film in the years before the events which lead up to the Arnie terminator being sent back to 1984, then you cant have a film in which the technology looks better and more advanced than what's availiable in the previous film set in the future... Technology doesn't go backwards.... The "terminators" then surely have to be considerably more primitive surely, certainly not the the sort of advanced level of the Arnie cyborg.....

 

It would've made more sense if John Connor and his crew had been going up against the sort of machines that were slaughtering the Skynet scientists in T3.... Perhaps a bit more advanced, but there should certainly be no advanced "infiltrator units" in a film set in 2018.....