December 13, 200816 yr The real cost of motoring has been falling steadily for decades. At the same time, the real cost of public transport has been rising steadily. Another way around congestion is for firms to refuse parking permits to people who could easily travel to work by other menas whether that be public transport, walking, cycling or whatever. Roughly 50% of car journeys are under two miles, i.e. easy cycling distance. Yeah, and we all know why that is.... De-regulation, Privatisation and PPP (Public, Private Partnerships...) <_< Look at Network Rail... An absolute disgrace they are.... And now they plan on putting up fares by a whopping 10-12% in the New Year.... And the buggers STILL need public money in order to function... Er, we're not re-nationalising the Rail because....? I mean, sorry, but it seems like us taxpayers are fukkin' subsidising the rail ANYWAY to the tune of billions every fukkin' year....... :rolleyes: I think we need to take a more Dutch attitude towards motoring... In Holland, they cycle most places, leaving the car for important or long distance journeys, and it seems to work well enough... Christ, you can actually breathe the air in Amsterdam, Den Haag, Haarlem and Rotterdam..... :lol: But then, Holland actually has an excellent public transport system as well....
December 13, 200816 yr The real cost of motoring has been falling steadily for decades. At the same time, the real cost of public transport has been rising steadily. Another way around congestion is for firms to refuse parking permits to people who could easily travel to work by other menas whether that be public transport, walking, cycling or whatever. Roughly 50% of car journeys are under two miles, i.e. easy cycling distance. oh id agree with that, under 2 miles is nothing. i dont get that, 'the real cost of motoring has been falling for decades'? think its a case that you can make statistics say wtf you want. i spent £70 on fuel last week, in a car taxed at c£120 pa and cost me £4k. sorry but my income hasnt grown faster then motoring costs over the last 30 odd years ive been driving.
December 13, 200816 yr i dont get that, 'the real cost of motoring has been falling for decades'? think its a case that you can make statistics say wtf you want. i spent £70 on fuel last week, in a car taxed at c£120 pa and cost me £4k. sorry but my income hasnt grown faster then motoring costs over the last 30 odd years ive been driving. Has it gone up by 10-12% per annum though mate....? Because that's been the sorts of rises in Rail Fares and bus fares that they're talking about for the New Year..... Rail travel went up by a similar amount last year as well.... Last year booking my two single fares back home to Scotland for the New Year online cost me £67, this year, it's cost me over £75.... You do the maths.... Has there been a similar price hike in petrol or road tax....?
December 13, 200816 yr oh id agree with that, under 2 miles is nothing. i dont get that, 'the real cost of motoring has been falling for decades'? think its a case that you can make statistics say wtf you want. i spent £70 on fuel last week, in a car taxed at c£120 pa and cost me £4k. sorry but my income hasnt grown faster then motoring costs over the last 30 odd years ive been driving. One of the reasons the real cost has come down is that cars are more fuel-efficient. Even if fuel costs more, cars use less of it. For whatever reason, and despite all their whingeing, motorists have had a pretty good deal over the last few decades. The same cannot be said for public transport users.
December 13, 200816 yr One of the reasons the real cost has come down is that cars are more fuel-efficient. Even if fuel costs more, cars use less of it. For whatever reason, and despite all their whingeing, motorists have had a pretty good deal over the last few decades. The same cannot be said for public transport users. Rob has to drive a van for work though mate, so, how "fuel efficient" are those....? :lol: Broadly agree though, the costs of Public Transport are becoming extortionate now, and say what you like, the whole ethos of de-regulation, privatisation and PPP has played no small part in that..... Stagecoach made £200 million in profits last year, and their CEO, Brian Souter still has the bloody cheek to expect a £1million quid hand-out from the Scottish executive for an absolutely barmy scheme of public hovercrafts from Kirkaldy to Edinburgh..... :lol: :lol: I'm sorry, but just why the fukk are we, the taxpayer, funding what are supposedly "private" transport companies.....? Why, it's almost like funding a bank's losses innit....? Oh, errrrr..... :rolleyes:
December 13, 200816 yr Stagecoach made £200 million in profits last year, and their CEO, Brian Souter still has the bloody cheek to expect a £1million quid hand-out from the Scottish executive for an absolutely barmy scheme of public hovercrafts from Kirkaldy to Edinburgh..... :lol: :lol: Brian Souter is vile - the main reason I refuse to ever travel on Stagecoach. Remember this...? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/602714.stm
December 13, 200816 yr Brian Souter is vile - the main reason I refuse to ever travel on Stagecoach. Remember this...? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/602714.stm I certainly do remember that. And the internet will make it very easy to remind people every time they show signs of forgetting.
December 14, 200816 yr Brian Souter is vile - the main reason I refuse to ever travel on Stagecoach. Remember this...? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/602714.stm Yeah, a totally vile homophobic c/unt who supported Clause 28.... <_< I've never travelled on Stagecoach either.... Oh, and here's summat interesting, Soutar donated £500 grand to the SNP, and then, all of a sudden, a manifesto pledge to re-regulate the buses in Scotland got dropped.... But, of course, there's absolutely NO LINK whatsoever between the two things is there...? Naaaaaaaaaahhhhhh...... :rolleyes: Shades of Nu Labor and Bernie Eccleston methinks.....
December 14, 200816 yr Its a bit ridiculous to do it in Manchester... I could understand why they introduced it in London what with the Olympics and funding and basically just wanting to scam Londoners (Y) but theres no real reason to introduce it there...
December 15, 200816 yr Its a bit ridiculous to do it in Manchester... I could understand why they introduced it in London what with the Olympics and funding and basically just wanting to scam Londoners (Y) but theres no real reason to introduce it there... I would say that there is a good reason to introduce it anywhere that there's a problem with traffic congestion.... Lots of traffic on the roads creates more problems than the obvious time-consuming ones, lots of cars going up and down the same patch of road leads to damage in the road surfaces which means that the roads need to be repaired more often... A "Congestion Charge" should be there to fund roadworks and improvements in Public Transport (which should be a given seeing as how any sensible local authority is going to have to ensure that better Public Transport is in place if they expect motorists to USE it instead of taking the car to work), what it most certainly should NOT be is to be used as a "stealth tax".... There needs to be far greater transparency in how Local Authorities manage public funds as far as I'm concerned, at the end of the day, this is OUR MONEY these people are playing with; I mean, not a bloody SINGLE ONE OF US actually knew that many local authorities were investing heavily in Icelandic banks I'm betting..... <_< I really dont blame people who refuse to pay Council Tax, they have my 100% support, and the ones who got sent to prison a while back are, as far as I'm concerened, Political Prisoners.....
December 15, 200816 yr I would say that there is a good reason to introduce it anywhere that there's a problem with traffic congestion.... Lots of traffic on the roads creates more problems than the obvious time-consuming ones, lots of cars going up and down the same patch of road leads to damage in the road surfaces which means that the roads need to be repaired more often... A "Congestion Charge" should be there to fund roadworks and improvements in Public Transport (which should be a given seeing as how any sensible local authority is going to have to ensure that better Public Transport is in place if they expect motorists to USE it instead of taking the car to work), what it most certainly should NOT be is to be used as a "stealth tax".... spoken like a true non-car owner! :P
December 15, 200816 yr spoken like a true non-car owner! :P I'm proud to NOT be part of the problem mate..... :P
December 17, 200816 yr I'm proud to NOT be part of the problem mate..... :P Me too then by scotts logic (re anal sex thread) you two are not qualified to comment on it! its all very well supporting the knocking of motorists IF YOU ARNT ONE, i just wonder how much your views would change if it was YOUR pocket it was hitting <_<
December 17, 200816 yr its all very well supporting the knocking of motorists IF YOU ARNT ONE, i just wonder how much your views would change if it was YOUR pocket it was hitting <_< I've not "knocked" motorists (in fact, I've agreed with many motorist groups who objected to Speed Cams and the fact that they are merely a "stealth tax", funny that YOU defended those.... :lol: ), merely saying that a congestion charge IS actually something I agree with for the reasons I gave, more cars = more pollution = more damage to road surfaces = more repairs, FACT dude, so get over it.... :P When Ken introduced his congestion charge in Central London, several cab drivers told me that things started to improve, so, well, I reckon they should know a bit more about how things are in London than you mate..... If you actually came down to London to see the sheer amount of road repairs and roadworks that are going on, frankly, you'd be amazed.... Anyway, I acknowledge that for people such as yourself, you need your van for work, fair enough, but you cant deny that there are a hell of a lot of totally un-necessary journeys by car... I mean, ferrying kids around half of fukkin' London to got to schools (put them in LOCAL schools ffs..), or worse yet, ferrying them to schools that are just a 10 minute walk away... :rolleyes: GOD, is it any wonder we're creating an overweight, lazy generation....?
December 17, 200816 yr I worked very hard to save up and buy my car so that gives me the right to use it when I want, how I want and where I want as far as I am concerned, I simply refuse to use public transport it is smelly, overpriced, buses are frequented by the wrong type of people, bus drivers faces would break into a thousand pieces if any of them made an attempt to smile so apart from going into central London by train I use my car to drive everywhere be it half a mile or the other side of the country simply because buses are full of chavs and annoying schoolkids blaring out r+b $h!t on their phones and because I worked hard for my car Edited December 17, 200816 yr by B.A Baracus
December 17, 200816 yr One of the reasons the real cost has come down is that cars are more fuel-efficient. Even if fuel costs more, cars use less of it. For whatever reason, and despite all their whingeing, motorists have had a pretty good deal over the last few decades. The same cannot be said for public transport users. Rubbish mate absolute hogwash Speed cameras and mobile patrols, masses of roadworks, car parking prices in towns (my local car park in town is £1 for 30 mins, £2.00 for 60 mins and £2.50 for 2 hrs) not to mention the fact that not long ago we had to pay £1.20 a litre with the government screwing the motorist with 80% fuel tax), the cost of insurance is steadily rising due to chavs having so many crashes that all our premiums go up, add to that congestion charges and motorists are pretty much an oppressed majority mate Edited December 17, 200816 yr by B.A Baracus
December 17, 200816 yr I use my car to drive everywhere be it half a mile or the other side of the country And, the "part of the problem" award goes to....... :lol: How about you try WALKING then for short journeys if you're so bloody opposed to public transport, or doing what the Dutch do, cycle short distances... You lazy sod..... Dont moan about Public transport if you refuse to even use it... I drown out the one or two annoying buggers by just whacking my earphones on and listening to a bit of Death Metal..... And, I think you'll find that you'll be surprised by the people on London buses, you actually get all walks of life on them.... I've been on buses full of City workers in their suits and ties..... :lol:
December 17, 200816 yr car parking prices in towns (my local car park in town is £1 for 30 mins, £2.00 for 60 mins and £2.50 for 2 hrs) not to mention the fact that not long ago we had to pay £1.20 a litre with the government screwing the motorist with 80% fuel tax), the cost of insurance is steadily rising due to chavs having so many crashes that all our premiums go up, add to that congestion charges and motorists are pretty much an oppressed majority mate And yet, you're still willing to pay the prices..... Fukk that, I wouldn't.... In fact, the reasons you've just illustrated are actually part of my reason for refusing to drive a car in London, as well as all the other stuff I mentioned.... Yeah, it IS a rip-off, but you're stupid enough to pay it aren't you....? I feel sorry for delivery drivers, sales people, construction workers who have to transport equipment, etc, but general motorists...? Nah, they know the costs and are still stupid enough to believe in this so-called "liberating, car-owning democracy" propaganda as espoused by idiots like Jeremy Clarkson... Well it's hardly fukkin' "liberating" when you live somewhere like Shepherds Bush when they've just opened that sodding Westfields Mall... Not "liberating" at all when residents in the area cant even park outside their own houses because of outsiders coming into shop in the mall and taking up their bloody parking spaces..... <_<
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