B)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Neil B @ Dec 19 2008, 06:51 PM) 2348276[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Didn't play Gary Glitter on my radio show on Wednesday, but did play the following. All music played is from 1976 to 1986, though the Christmas Special was our last one for a while :

 

Jona Lewie - "Stop The Cavalry"

Captain Sensible - "One Christmas Catalogue"

Bruce Springsteen - "Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town"

The Greedies - "A Merry Jingle"

The Waitresses - "Christmas Wrapping"

Kurtis Blow - "Christmas Rappin'"

Jethro Tull - "Ring Out Solstice Bells"

Squeeze - "Christmas Day"

Kate Bush - "December Will Be Magic Again"

Keith Richards - "Run Rudolph Run" (for his 65th birthday)

Paul McCartney - "Wonderful Christmastime"

 

Pretenders - "2000 Miles"

The Dickies - "Silent Night"

Frankie Goes To Hollywood - "The Power Of Love" (No.3, 15/12/84)

Wham! - "Last Christmas" (No.2, 15/12/84)

Band Aid - "Do They Know It's Christmas?" (12" version) (No.1, 15/12/84)

Chris Hill - "Bionic Santa"

Darts - "White Christmas"

David Essex - "A Winter's Tale"

Three Wise Men - "Thanks For Christmas"

The Kinks - "Father Christmas"

Shakin' Stevens - "Merry Christmas Everyone"

 

The DJ at my works Christmas Do unwisely played Gary Glitter's 1984 Christmas single. The dancefloor rightly cleared in 15/20 seconds; and the DJ had to change songs.

 

However I find it shocking the Chuck Berry records are still OK to be played.

 

I guess:

 

1) Because he is not British

2) He was interested in young girls not boys

 

That makes him OK; to the sexist British tabloids & the politically correct liberal Radio programmers who are happy to remove the word "f*****" from the best Xmas song ever made, even though its context was about the Irish/British meatball foodstuff not the post World War II American slang term for a male homosexual.

 

As for Pete Townsend he was about as guilty as Colin Stagg:

 

As part of the Operation Ore investigations, Townshend was cautioned by the police in 2003 after acknowledging a credit card access in 1999 to the Landslide website alleged to advertise child pornography. He stated in the press and on his website that he had been engaged in research for A Different Bomb (a now-abandoned book based on an anti-child pornography essay published on his website in January 2002) and his autobiography, and as part of a campaign against child pornography. The police searched his house and confiscated fourteen computers and other materials, and after a four-month forensic investigation confirmed that they had found no evidence of child abuse images. Consequently, the police offered a caution rather than pressing charges, issuing a statement: "After four months of investigation by officers from Scotland Yard's child protection group, it was established that Mr Townshend was not in possession of any downloaded child abuse images." In a statement issued by his solicitor, Townshend said, "I accept that I was wrong to access this site, and that by doing so, I broke the law, and I have accepted the caution that the police have given me." As a statutory consequence of accepting the caution, Townshend was entered on the Violent and Sex Offender Register for five years.

 

In April 2007, an article in The Guardian stated that Townshend was "falsely accused of accessing child pornography". After obtaining copies of the Landslide hard drives and tracing Townshend's actions, investigative journalist Duncan Campbell wrote in PC Pro Magazine, "Under pressure of the media filming of the raid, Townshend appears to have confessed to something he didn't do." Campbell states that their entire evidence against Townshend was that he accessed a single site among the Landslide offerings which was not connected with child pornography.

 

When you consider that both David Bowie (in his 1990s 1:Outside concept album) & Ray Davies have both admitted that they have researched on the internet to write abut this controversial subject matter in their music does that make them as bad as Pete Townsend.

 

Somehow I think Rob has fallen foul of the media's totally hysterical and counterproductive treatment of the subject as brilliantly & expertedly satirised by 2001'S BrassEye Special: Paedogeddon!

 

PS. On the subject of Michael Jackson I'm convinced he is as guilty as hell from the various documentaries I have seen, and initially I thought he was innocent and being framed; but too many things have since come out to convince me of his guilt beyond reasonable doubt. But unfortunately if you cannot get enough evidence to make something stick then you cannot convict. However the very fact his Thriller reissue album limped in at USA #66; when to the shame of the Great British "must go and buy the new X-Factor winning single even though it is f***ing $h!te compared to Jeff Buckley's version" Public it made UK#3. (Hence why Simon Cowell had a Michael Jackson week on his show; and is happy to employ the smug cretin that is Piers Morgan whom as Chief Editor = 1994 News Of The World headline: "Sick pervert Rachel killer free to kill again"; 1996 Daily Mirror: "Achtung! Surrender"; 2004 Daily Mirror "British troops torture Iraqi prisoners" with the photographic proof that was of course a crude hoax; but led to an escalation of attacks on British troops in Iraq which saw the highest 3 month fatality figures for UK troops in their occupation of Iraq). Shows that Americans who now have a decent President are actually more smarter than us British.

 

Yeah I remember Chuck Berry putting cameras in ladies toilets of establishments that he owned in order to get his kicks of watching them shower and pee :puke2: like Jackson though he avoided trial by paying out millions to dozens of women in "out of court settlement" to avoid conviction, like Jackson he seems to have escaped justice by the skin of his teeth

 

Michael Jackson was, unfortunately, not convicted of child molesting, so it would be difficult to justify a ban because his legions of deluded fans would protest such a move, so Jackson we have to tolerate and give the benefit of the doubt until someone finally nails the b/astard... Not so with Glitter, we know exactly who/what he is, there are no ambiguities whatsoever, and there's absolutely no one out there who would even take up his cause, unlike Jacko.... Are you seriously suggesting that radio shows should just pay royalties to this creature knowing what he's done...?

 

Frankly, it is irrelevant how "good" the tune might be, it's tainted through its association with Gadd/Glitter, I mean, would it have mattered if Hitler had been a writer on a par with Shakespeare or Chaucer...? No, it wouldn't....

 

 

Well I for one think radio stations should play it as it's a cracking tune.

Edited December 19, 200816 yr by Crazy Chris

Well I for one think radio stations should play it as it's a cracking tune.

 

you do realise that with every bit of airplay money would go in Glitter's pocket ? :unsure: do I need to spell it out to you what he does with his money ?

 

Given you are a father I am very surprised by your post

you do realise that with every bit of airplay money would go in Glitter's pocket ? :unsure: do I need to spell it out to you what he does with his money ?

 

Given you are a father I am very surprised by your post

 

The song is great. I have it on an It's Christmas compilation from '92 anyway so can play it as often as I please, on repeat right now actually. Should be based on the music not an artist's present personal life. IMHO it's a very good Xmas track. I think it's stupid of Radio 2 to pass over every Glitter track on Pick Of The Pops. If they're playing the chart from Feb. 1973 say and he was No.2 then it should be played.

Edited December 19, 200816 yr by Crazy Chris

you do realise that with every bit of airplay money would go in Glitter's pocket ? :unsure: do I need to spell it out to you what he does with his money ?

 

Given you are a father I am very surprised by your post

 

 

I'm entitled to my opinion just as you are and don't really care what he does with his money as I don't care what you do with yours.

Edited December 19, 200816 yr by Crazy Chris

B)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Neil B @ Dec 19 2008, 06:51 PM) 2348276[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Didn't play Gary Glitter on my radio show on Wednesday, but did play the following. All music played is from 1976 to 1986, though the Christmas Special was our last one for a while :

 

Jona Lewie - "Stop The Cavalry"

Captain Sensible - "One Christmas Catalogue"

Bruce Springsteen - "Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town"

The Greedies - "A Merry Jingle"

The Waitresses - "Christmas Wrapping"

Kurtis Blow - "Christmas Rappin'"

Jethro Tull - "Ring Out Solstice Bells"

Squeeze - "Christmas Day"

Kate Bush - "December Will Be Magic Again"

Keith Richards - "Run Rudolph Run" (for his 65th birthday)

Paul McCartney - "Wonderful Christmastime"

 

Pretenders - "2000 Miles"

The Dickies - "Silent Night"

Frankie Goes To Hollywood - "The Power Of Love" (No.3, 15/12/84)

Wham! - "Last Christmas" (No.2, 15/12/84)

Band Aid - "Do They Know It's Christmas?" (12" version) (No.1, 15/12/84)

Chris Hill - "Bionic Santa"

Darts - "White Christmas"

David Essex - "A Winter's Tale"

Three Wise Men - "Thanks For Christmas"

The Kinks - "Father Christmas"

Shakin' Stevens - "Merry Christmas Everyone"

 

The DJ at my works Christmas Do unwisely played Gary Glitter's 1984 Christmas single. The dancefloor rightly cleared in 15/20 seconds; and the DJ had to change songs.

 

However I find it shocking the Chuck Berry records are still OK to be played.

 

I guess:

 

1) Because he is not British

2) He was interested in young girls not boys

 

That makes him OK; to the sexist British tabloids & the politically correct liberal Radio programmers who are happy to remove the word "f*****" from the best Xmas song ever made, even though its context was about the Irish/British meatball foodstuff not the post World War II American slang term for a male homosexual.

 

As for Pete Townsend he was about as guilty as Colin Stagg:

 

As part of the Operation Ore investigations, Townshend was cautioned by the police in 2003 after acknowledging a credit card access in 1999 to the Landslide website alleged to advertise child pornography. He stated in the press and on his website that he had been engaged in research for A Different Bomb (a now-abandoned book based on an anti-child pornography essay published on his website in January 2002) and his autobiography, and as part of a campaign against child pornography. The police searched his house and confiscated fourteen computers and other materials, and after a four-month forensic investigation confirmed that they had found no evidence of child abuse images. Consequently, the police offered a caution rather than pressing charges, issuing a statement: "After four months of investigation by officers from Scotland Yard's child protection group, it was established that Mr Townshend was not in possession of any downloaded child abuse images." In a statement issued by his solicitor, Townshend said, "I accept that I was wrong to access this site, and that by doing so, I broke the law, and I have accepted the caution that the police have given me." As a statutory consequence of accepting the caution, Townshend was entered on the Violent and Sex Offender Register for five years.

 

In April 2007, an article in The Guardian stated that Townshend was "falsely accused of accessing child pornography". After obtaining copies of the Landslide hard drives and tracing Townshend's actions, investigative journalist Duncan Campbell wrote in PC Pro Magazine, "Under pressure of the media filming of the raid, Townshend appears to have confessed to something he didn't do." Campbell states that their entire evidence against Townshend was that he accessed a single site among the Landslide offerings which was not connected with child pornography.

 

When you consider that both David Bowie (in his 1990s 1:Outside concept album) & Ray Davies have both admitted that they have researched on the internet to write abut this controversial subject matter in their music does that make them as bad as Pete Townsend.

 

Somehow I think Rob has fallen foul of the media's totally hysterical and counterproductive treatment of the subject as brilliantly & expertedly satirised by 2001'S BrassEye Special: Paedogeddon!

 

PS. On the subject of Michael Jackson I'm convinced he is as guilty as hell from the various documentaries I have seen, and initially I thought he was innocent and being framed; but too many things have since come out to convince me of his guilt beyond reasonable doubt. But unfortunately if you cannot get enough evidence to make something stick then you cannot convict. However the very fact his Thriller reissue album limped in at USA #66; when to the shame of the Great British "must go and buy the new X-Factor winning single even though it is f***ing $h!te compared to Jeff Buckley's version" Public it made UK#3. (Hence why Simon Cowell had a Michael Jackson week on his show; and is happy to employ the smug cretin that is Piers Morgan whom as Chief Editor = 1994 News Of The World headline: "Sick pervert Rachel killer free to kill again"; 1996 Daily Mirror: "Achtung! Surrender"; 2004 Daily Mirror "British troops torture Iraqi prisoners" with the photographic proof that was of course a crude hoax; but led to an escalation of attacks on British troops in Iraq which saw the highest 3 month fatality figures for UK troops in their occupation of Iraq). Shows that Americans who now have a decent President are actually more smarter than us British.

 

well its true that i never heard the actual result of the investigation... i guess 'he isnt a p****' isnt as newsworthy as 'he is a p****'... so fair play for revealing the facts tip.

I'm entitled to my opinion just as you are and don't really care what he does with his money as I don't care what you do with yours.

 

sometimes i think you are the biggest idiot ive ever met....

 

sorry to be rude but to say (as a father of a girl) that you dont care that he uses the money YOU give him to fund his sick sexual fantasy is nothing short of utter stupidity.

sometimes i think you are the biggest idiot ive ever met....

 

 

I don't actually recall ever meeting you. :P I have never given him any money at all, never bought any of his singles or albums.

Edited December 20, 200816 yr by Crazy Chris

I'm entitled to my opinion just as you are and don't really care what he does with his money as I don't care what you do with yours.

 

Well, Rob doesn't go around spending his money on raping and abusing underage Thai girls whom he pretends to be a friend or "uncle" to, or hiring underage teenage Thai prostitutes..... <_< SLIGHT difference..... Do you "not care" what he does because it's underage ASIAN girls he's raping...? Perhaps if he raped a British girl not unlike your daughter, then you'd start "caring" little bit more, yeah...?

 

Rob is right, you ARE an idiot.... <_< Frankly, people like you should be stopped from breeding....

 

I don't actually recall ever meeting you. :P I have never given him any money at all, never bought any of his singles or albums.

 

... but you dont bother about anyone buying his material, you said that yourself... any right thinking individual would NOT give him money to fund his factual history of abusing kids! he can ONLY travel to do that if he has money! ffs m8... WAKE UP! the abuse he committed was paid for by people buying/playing (royalties) his music...

Convictions whatever they were, and not playing their records? If it were the case then lots of singers would never be heard. We are no judges. The double G did indeed do some great records. So, maybe it`s a case of love the music, loathe the man?

 

I for one, do vintage countdowns on radio today. Missing out records isn`t my style. If it`s in play it, I say. Personally never a fan of Jonathon King, but I don`t miss out his, or Gary Glitter`s songs. The royalties recieved are minor anyway. "I Love You Love Me Love" was played on BBC Radio Essex last Sunday. "Another Rock n`Roll Christmas" was on BBC Radio Jersey. Jonathon King get`s played on other stations. In an ideal world the people convicted for "alleged" crimes...would be consider ill, and actually recieve treatment. Locking them up, won`t do them much good. Obviously, they have a serious mind problem and should be treated in special hospitals, but are brilliant government have closed all those places down...and put these people back in amongst our communities.

 

When talking about badily put together shows, like Dale Winton`s crumby POTP...Dale doesn`t hear any of the music anyway. The whole show is voice-tracked from start to finish. Programmes are put together about 5 weeks in advance. He can record about 6 shows in 2 hours. It`s about as well researched as Radio One`s crumby Chart Show. How can they do it? As personal opinions shouldn`t come in to what is played. Infact on shows I`ve done, we actually had letters of thanks about playing stuff (even Glitter). Conviction, or not...We are not here to judge. It`s for the courts to decide. Unfortunately in our country, the press tend to hype up things anyway, due to having spys roving to break people. I rest my case on the Charles, and Diana business.

Convictions whatever they were, and not playing their records? If it were the case then lots of singers would never be heard. We are no judges. The double G did indeed do some great records. So, maybe it`s a case of love the music, loathe the man?

 

I for one, do vintage countdowns on radio today. Missing out records isn`t my style. If it`s in play it, I say. Personally never a fan of Jonathon King, but I don`t miss out his, or Gary Glitter`s songs. The royalties recieved are minor anyway.

 

Nobody has ever complained when we`ve played them.

 

When talking about badily put together shows, like Dale Winton`s crumby POTP...Dale doesn`t hear any of the music anyway. The whole show is voice-tracked from start to finish. Programmes are put together about 5 weeks in advance. He can record about 6 shows in 2 hours. How can they do it? As personal opinions shouldn`t `come in to what is played. Infact on shows I`ve done, we actually had letters of thanks about playing even Glitter. Conviction, or not...We are not here to judge. It`s for the courts to decide. Unfortunately in our country, the press tend to hype up things anyway, due to having spys roving to break people. I rest my case in the Charles, and Diana business.

 

Glitter is using the royalties from radio plays and record sales to FUND his abuse though, every single time someone buys his albums or plays his records on the radio he is getting more money to fund his abuse, he hasn't got a money tree in his back garden that provides the readies to commit abuse it is money from record sales and radio plays that has and will in the future

 

If like any Glitter tracks downloasd them for free

Glitter is using the royalties from radio plays and record sales to FUND his abuse though, every single time someone buys his albums or plays his records on the radio he is getting more money to fund his abuse, he hasn't got a money tree in his back garden that provides the readies to commit abuse it is money from record sales and radio plays that has and will in the future

 

If like any Glitter tracks downloads them for free

And you have evidence of this? I think you`d find that he probably has more money left from his pop career, than people realise. He was one of the biggest earners in Britain during his time. The papers don`t know everything, I assure you. If you compared him to people like Jackson, and GG was American he would have got off, through lack of evidence.

 

Ain`t it funny that in this series of Christmas hits, this one get`s the most comments!

Obviously I am not his accountant and have no record of his finances over the years but it is a REASONABLE assumption to believe that income from record sales and radio plays have helped fund his criminal activities such as buying property in Vietnam where he abused several kids or buying the PC that he used to download child porn for instance, he is also stilll a clear and present danger so it is right to not feed his finances still further to give him potential for more criminal activity

Convictions whatever they were, and not playing their records? If it were the case then lots of singers would never be heard. We are no judges. The double G did indeed do some great records. So, maybe it`s a case of love the music, loathe the man?

 

I for one, do vintage countdowns on radio today. Missing out records isn`t my style. If it`s in play it, I say. Personally never a fan of Jonathon King, but I don`t miss out his, or Gary Glitter`s songs. The royalties recieved are minor anyway. "I Love You Love Me Love" was played on BBC Radio Essex last Sunday. "Another Rock n`Roll Christmas" was on BBC Radio Jersey. Jonathon King get`s played on other stations. In an ideal world the people convicted for "alleged" crimes...would be consider ill, and actually recieve treatment. Locking them up, won`t do them much good. Obviously, they have a serious mind problem and should be treated in special hospitals, but are brilliant government have closed all those places down...and put these people back in amongst our communities.

 

When talking about badily put together shows, like Dale Winton`s crumby POTP...Dale doesn`t hear any of the music anyway. The whole show is voice-tracked from start to finish. Programmes are put together about 5 weeks in advance. He can record about 6 shows in 2 hours. It`s about as well researched as Radio One`s crumby Chart Show. How can they do it? As personal opinions shouldn`t come in to what is played. Infact on shows I`ve done, we actually had letters of thanks about playing stuff (even Glitter). Conviction, or not...We are not here to judge. It`s for the courts to decide. Unfortunately in our country, the press tend to hype up things anyway, due to having spys roving to break people. I rest my case on the Charles, and Diana business.

 

i cannot be as laid back about glitter as you can. the facts are that he DID commit crimes against little girls, no amount of newspaper hype can make that any worse then what the facts prove. he is a serial, unrepentant, predatory paedophile ... he has been conclusively convicted, 100% guilty.

 

imho NO ONE with that track record should be funded no matter how little they might gain from royalties. everything should be done to prevent this creature ever offending again, i believe its a collective responsibility, a duty of all right thinking civilised people to curb this activity. gg is in the public spotlight, he put himself there, so he will suffer more then the 'perv next door'.

 

sorry, but imho its simply wrong to play his records, EVER, because one way or another he will profit from it. if you think its ok to pay for his criminal actions then go ahead and contribute towards the actions of this predator, but not 1 penny of mine will ever help fund the abuse of a child .

i cannot be as laid back about glitter as you can. the facts are that he DID commit crimes against little girls, no amount of newspaper hype can make that any worse then what the facts prove. he is a serial, unrepentant, predatory paedophile ... he has been conclusively convicted, 100% guilty.

 

imho NO ONE with that track record should be funded no matter how little they might gain from royalties. everything should be done to prevent this creature ever offending again, i believe its a collective responsibility, a duty of all right thinking civilised people to curb this activity. gg is in the public spotlight, he put himself there, so he will suffer more then the 'perv next door'.

 

sorry, but imho its simply wrong to play his records, EVER, because one way or another he will profit from it. if you think its ok to pay for his criminal actions then go ahead and contribute towards the actions of this predator, but not 1 penny of mine will ever help fund the abuse of a child .

 

That is why I admire the former Beatles estates of John Lennon & Paul McCartney regarding the Publishing of Northern Songs that was bought by Michael Jackson back in 1985 (after Paul was gullible enough to tell MJ how much he & Yoko were bidding so MJ took advantage of a clause and bid $5m+ more to win the Northern Songs publishing) and has earnt MJ an estimated $170m - $220m since then. He has now sold 75% of his shares to Sony publishing, but he is hanging on to his final 25% stake awaiting the Beatles remasters to become available to buy (again) or legally download for obvious cash flow benefits.

 

However, Paul & Yoko are playing hardball waiting for him to sell his remaining 25% with impending bankruptcy awaiting him, before agreeing to these remasters becoming available from EMI. Unfortunately for Michael neither Paul or Yoko are exactly poor. So the brinkmanship continues, but I know most Beatles fans agree with Paul & Yoko's stand for obvious reasons.

i cannot be as laid back about glitter as you can. the facts are that he DID commit crimes against little girls, no amount of newspaper hype can make that any worse then what the facts prove. he is a serial, unrepentant, predatory paedophile ... he has been conclusively convicted, 100% guilty.

 

imho NO ONE with that track record should be funded no matter how little they might gain from royalties. everything should be done to prevent this creature ever offending again, i believe its a collective responsibility, a duty of all right thinking civilised people to curb this activity. gg is in the public spotlight, he put himself there, so he will suffer more then the 'perv next door'.

 

sorry, but imho its simply wrong to play his records, EVER, because one way or another he will profit from it. if you think its ok to pay for his criminal actions then go ahead and contribute towards the actions of this predator, but not 1 penny of mine will ever help fund the abuse of a child .

 

p**** UPDATE!!!

 

Mariah Carey funds Peados!!!

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/39/GYN.jpg

 

In that case if you have downloaded this Mariah track then you are directly funding peadophilla!!! this record features a sample from Just an Illusion" by the band Imagination - which was co-writen by Steve Jolley..who was jailed for abusing a 12 year old boy...involved in producing Spandau Ballet, Alison Moyet and Banananananarama as well...so Ace Of Base and your cover of Cruel Summer...thats a Jolley cover as well...so not were you the reggae Abba, had a member with an unusually large face and has a member with alleged neo-Nazi links...but you have funded kiddie fiddling as well!!!

 

(tho I'm sure most of producer haterid on here is directed at a certain Pete Waterman, I wonder if it because Waterman is a known face/persoanllity that bile is always directed at him...c'mon I'm sure if Quiz & Larossi turned up voxpoppping their thoughts about working with the Saturday you would hate them just as much!!!)