they showed clips on Loose Women :o Malena is fantastic :wub:

they showed clips on Loose Women :o Malena is fantastic :wub:

They showed Norway, Belgium, Serbia & Sweden because Jade Ewen was on the show.

So what is your preffered entry?

 

Georgia's "We Don't Wanna Put In" has the lyrics for the chorus:

 

We don't wanna put in,

The negative move,

It's killin' the groove,

I'm gonna try to shoot in,

Some disco tonight,

Boogie with you.

 

Okay, the "We don't want a Putin" is obvious, but what about the "shoot" line? Did it mean "I'm gonna try to shoot him"? I think so. Many English accented people would pronounce it "shoot 'im", so it's at least hard to distinguish "him" from "in" there. Once you add "some disco tonight," the meaning becomes "I'm gonna try to shoot in... some disco tonight," but it feels like a fake out similar to the "put in", which clearly means Putin but yet it means "put in" once you get the rest of the sentence, "We don't wanna put in... the negative move." There's also some subtle pronunciation here, with "put in" pronounced like "Putin" and I hear "in" pronounced like "'im". Finally, there's the video with the pantomimed guns to their heads, pulling the triggers and dying, reinforcing that it really means "shoot" like *gun*, not "shoot" like *interject*.

 

Anyway, my point is, the perceived or implied threat to Putin's life is way too aggressive for Eurovision.

 

I'm sympathetic and relatively knowledgeable (for an American) about Georgia's plight as a country; I had to cancel my planned tourist trip to Georgia a couple of months before Russia's attack, because I was following the political situation closely for my own safety and I could see the warning signs of an impending attack. But this song crosses the line for me.

 

On the other hand, Georgia may have achieved the best possible political effect here - even better than winning Eurovision. Most people won't hear the song and will only hear that Georgia was disqualified. The commentators in the country where I saw the first night of Eurovision were saying that Georgia would not have been disqualified if the Eurovision 2009 had been in any country other than Russia. I don't agree with that, but I'm saying that's a widespread perception that may serve Georgia as a country.

 

Georgia's entry is a great song, though.

Edited May 14, 200916 yr by FinalCylon

I'm sympathetic and relatively knowledgeable (for an American) about Georgia's plight as a country; I had to cancel my planned tourist trip to Georgia a couple of months before Russia's attack, because I was following the political situation closely for my own safety and I could see the warning signs of an impending attack. But this song crosses the line for me.

Gosh, don't start pleaaaaaaseeee :lol:

How can you defend Russia's actions Pavel? :lol: Granted, Abkhazia and North Ossetia wanted self-determination, but it's still legally a part of Georgia...Russia's actions in attacking the parts of Georgia that AREN'T under dispute were indefensible!

 

Fair enough for the actions in N. Ossetia though...

I can see you all defending Georgia because the media can tell everything about who attacked who :)

 

Please let's not discuss it, because this just makes me SAD.

I can see you all defending Georgia because the media can tell everything about who attacked who :)

 

Please let's not discuss it, because this just makes me SAD.

The New York Times, February 16, 2008:

 

Russia held a high-level meeting with the leaders of two breakaway republics in Georgia on Friday, and vowed to increase its support for the separatists if Kosovo declared its independence and was recognized by the West.

 

So, it was tit-for-tat. Russia interfered in Georgia because the U.S. and E.U. recognized Kosovo. It was retaliation against the West, not against Georgia.

 

And please. I watch your Russian news. It's laughable.

 

The New York Times, February 16, 2008:

 

Russia held a high-level meeting with the leaders of two breakaway republics in Georgia on Friday, and vowed to increase its support for the separatists if Kosovo declared its independence and was recognized by the West.

 

So, it was tit-for-tat. Russia interfered in Georgia because the U.S. and E.U. recognized Kosovo. It was retaliation against the West, not against Georgia.

 

And please. I watch your Russian news. It's laughable.

Can you then explain why do so many people needed to be killed? And why did Russia decided to act that way? :/ Because they knew everyone'd be blaming them...?

 

I can't keep telling, it's a ESC forum, it's too off-topic to be discussed here. ;)

I know I'm not mod in this forum, but I don't want this to turn nasty, I think you should probably take this to PM rather than taking it any further in here... that's what I'd do :teresa:

In May of 2008, I was planning a vacation to Georgia. I had to cancel the vacation, because Russia was building up tanks on the border of Georgia in an apparent preparation to attack. So frak Russia for deciding to kill lots of people and spoil my vacation plans, m'kay?