Posted December 23, 200816 yr 13:03 GMT, Tuesday, 23 December 2008 Gay groups angry at Pope remarks BBC News Gay groups and activists have reacted angrily after Pope Benedict XVI said that mankind needed to be saved from a destructive blurring of gender. Speaking on Monday, Pope Benedict said that saving humanity from homosexual or transsexual behaviour was as important as protecting the environment. The comments were "irresponsible and unacceptable", the UK's Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement (LGCM) said. Vladimir Luxuria, a transgender former Italian MP, called his words "hurtful". The row erupted as news emerged that the pontiff is to pay his first visit to the Holy Land in May next year. 'Self-destruction' Pope Benedict made the comments in an end-of-year speech to senior Vatican staff. Defending God's creation was not limited to saving the environment, he said, but also about protecting man from himself. It was not "out-of-date metaphysics" to "speak of human nature as 'man' or woman'", he said. It came from the "language of creation, despising which would mean self-destruction for humans". Gender theories, he said, led to man's "auto-emancipation" from creation and Creator. "Rain forests deserve, yes, our protection but the human being... does not deserve it less," he said. LGCM head Rev Sharon Ferguson said the Pope's remarks justified "gay bashing" and bullying. Mark Dowd, strategist for Christian environmental group Operation Noah, said the comments betrayed "a lack of openness to the complexity of creation". Derek Munn of the UK based gay rights group Stonewall criticises Pope Benedict XVI's comments And Ms Luxuria, who recently lost her seat in the Italian parliament, said suggesting people like her were destructive was very hurtful. "I'm someone who was born as male and has a spiritual and female soul, and it's contradictory that a Pope just thinks of people just made as flesh and not made of a spiritual aspect." The Catholic Church opposes gay marriage. It teaches that while homosexuality is not sinful, homosexual acts are. Earlier this month, the Vatican said that a proposed United Nations resolution decriminalising homosexuality went too far. "Unjust discrimination" against gay people should be avoided, but the use of wording such as "sexual orientation" and "gender identity" in the text would "create serious uncertainty in the law", it said. What do you think of the Pope latest comments?
December 23, 200816 yr Another f***ed up and backward religion The pope is prepared to sit there and spit bile at homosexuals yet at the same time wring his hands of the problem the catholic church has caused in Africa with its views on contraception which has caused the starvation of millions in Africa and overpopulation
December 23, 200816 yr And people wonder why some of us distrust religious leaders. It's no surprise that the Pope is a homophobic bigot but he didn't need to prove it.
December 23, 200816 yr And people wonder why some of us distrust religious leaders. It's no surprise that the Pope is a homophobic bigot but he didn't need to prove it. Just like the last one, meet the new boss same as the old boss as the song goes :manson: another warped bigot with a f***ed up view on the world Preaches about how evil homosxuality is yet covers up and protects priests who abuse altar boys Refuses to change its stance on contraception even though there is mass starvation in catholic areas of Africa and overpopulation This nutcase same as JPII has a lot of blood on his hands
December 23, 200816 yr will someone just shoot the guy? Humanity needs to be saved from lots of things, gays arent one of them. I'd say humanity needs to be saved from religion. the cancer that surrounds us everywhere.
December 24, 200816 yr Humanity needs to be saved from lots of things, gays arent one of them. I'd say humanity needs to be saved from religion. the cancer that surrounds us everywhere. Agreed, I think religion is one of the most ridiculous things in the world today. I used to believe in it as a boy but as I got older I decided it was a load of rubbish, like the tooth fairy, Santa etc. ;) I saw this in the paper today, I can't believe there are people out there who think like this. How can the Pope say humanity is suffering as much as the rainforests because of homosexuality? :wacko: You just have to laugh at it really, he's the warped one.
December 24, 200816 yr what a scarey bloke he is in charge of the biggest? religion on earth and his views are scareily ignorant. its like having bush with his finger on the nuke button. ill come back to this in a few days ..... im off :)
December 24, 200816 yr what a scarey bloke he is in charge of the biggest? religion on earth and his views are scareily ignorant. its like having bush with his finger on the nuke button. ill come back to this in a few days ..... im off :) Merry Xmas Mush ^_^ The pope must be deluded! Isn't he about 100 years old?
December 24, 200816 yr He was a member of the Hitler youth too, delightful man :rolleyes: given Hitler's views towards gays it is not surprising this guy talks such c**p Hopefully he will die soon and a younger more forward looking pope will take over and drag this vile institution kicking and screaming into the 21st century with regards homosexuality, birth control, contraception and so on When he dies he doesn't deserve a proper burial, he should be tied up to a lampost in vatican square and have wild dogs and vultures eat his carcass
December 24, 200816 yr He was a member of the Hitler youth too, delightful man :rolleyes: given Hitler's views towards gays it is not surprising this guy talks such c**p Hopefully he will die soon and a younger more forward looking pope will take over and drag this vile institution kicking and screaming into the 21st century with regards homosexuality, birth control, contraception and so on When he dies he doesn't deserve a proper burial, he should be tied up to a lampost in vatican square and have wild dogs and vultures eat his carcass Oh we are in a good mood today aren't we? :lol:
December 24, 200816 yr LOL I am in a pretty good mood actually :rofl: I just feel very passionate about religion and it stirs certain WRITTEN emotions in me lol even if I am not physically angry at the time as in the case today :) On a personal basis I feel really chilled and relaxed :)
December 24, 200816 yr Isn't he the one who has some big thing against the Harry Potter books? :heehee: (That he believes they're evil?)
December 24, 200816 yr He was a member of the Hitler youth too, delightful man :rolleyes: given Hitler's views towards gays it is not surprising this guy talks such c**p Hopefully he will die soon and a younger more forward looking pope will take over and drag this vile institution kicking and screaming into the 21st century with regards homosexuality, birth control, contraception and so on When he dies he doesn't deserve a proper burial, he should be tied up to a lampost in vatican square and have wild dogs and vultures eat his carcass It won't ever happen... When it comes to the Papacy, you must obey three vital rules. Conservative, conservative, conservative :manson: I bet we'll still have the Catholic Church preaching its bile in a century...
December 24, 200816 yr If anything, the world should be protected against catholicism. How can he claim to be a man of God coming out with things like that? Comments like that only serve to perpetuate hatred - and at a time when they are saying peace and goodwill to ALL men. :rolleyes: Exactly the kind of rhetoric that ignorant people around the globe use to justify their violence against others. Further proof, if any were truly needed, that religion, and in particular the increasingly ridiculous Catholics, has absolutely no place in our world today.
December 24, 200816 yr It won't ever happen... When it comes to the Papacy, you must obey three vital rules. Conservative, conservative, conservative :manson: I bet we'll still have the Catholic Church preaching its bile in a century... While I strongly objected to a black Dr Who I would be happy with a black pope, around the time JP2 died there was a Nigerian who was like I think 45 and was a moderniser with 21st century as opposed to stone age views and I thought he would not make a bad pope Better to abolish catholicism altogether along with every other religion on this planet but if there is going to be a pope....,
December 25, 200816 yr I really didn't want to come on BJ today feeling p!ssed off and angry, but how can anyone with a brain in their heads feel anything else about these outrageous comments from The Poop, sorry, The Pope.... And I just bet that the likes of Janet Jackson's Nipple will come on here and defend this odious man's statements at some point, which'll just p!ss me off even more... Most of the stuff I wanted to say has already been said, Craig is spot on about the contraception thing, I mean, considering that about one third of Africa is HIV positive (which, by the Catholic Church's own mentality and assumptions that they propogated about HIV/AIDS being the "gay plague" would mean that Africa must have the highest concentration of Bisexuals/Homosexuals on the planet, er, doubtful....) one would think that this would be of slightly bigger concern to this fukkin' church than what consenting adults get up to in the privacy of their own bedrooms, or what goes on in Gay, Fetish or Trannie Clubs, which is, again, consentual.... One would also think that the fukkin' Catholic Church might just be more concerned with the wholesale, systematic and institutionalised child abuse which occurs within the religion.. I was a Catholic schoolboy (primary), and I've had to talk down a fellow old classmate of mine from slitting his wrists about 10 years ago because of the physical abuse and beatings he suffered at the hands of a fukkin' Priest, something that has stayed with him for almost 30 years; oh, and of course, no one believed him, which seems to be the pattern with this sh!t and how none of these dog-collared b/astards ever seem to be punished for their crimes against children..... DONT TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS FUKKED-UP, SICKO "RELIGION" which pretty much operates a 'code of silence' when it comes to this, Priests responsible being "re-assigned" as opposed to facing the legal consequences for their actions, Christ, they're worse than the POLICE..... This Pope is a b'astard (mind you, not that John Paul II was any better...), a fukkin' Nazi Sympathiser, a homophobe and someone who, as a Cardinal was an "enforcer" on issues of allegations of child abuse... That is, someone who strongarmed and threatened the kids and devout families with excommunication and covered things up, NOT someone who actively sought out child abusing priests and brought them to justice... He is a disgusting, hypocritical piece of sh"t.... And if there really IS a Hell, that is where he and every other fukkin' Catholic Priest is going..... <_<
December 29, 200816 yr how ironic. with all the altar boys getting their booties popped by the local priests you would think he would focus a little more on home (his own church). i mean really, lawsuit after lawsuit over men that had to endure years of being molested by priests and he wants to preach to the world. he needs to shut up. like seriously. he doesn't even count when it comes to this issue.
December 30, 200816 yr Isn't it funny how a large percentage of priests are kiddy fiddling gays/alcoholics... i really do hate religion, if it didnt exist life would be sooo much easier.
December 30, 200816 yr its not gay people we need 'saving' from.... its the bloody evil catholic church... hell, i used to think father ted was a comedy, i now see it was a documentary lol.
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