The end of my chart as i know it :cry: :P

 

 

innit, im the only one that bothers with your chart :(

 

it is because your so igsignificant.

The bottom line is that Jake, or whoever made this bizarre, misguided and inappropriate decision, has made a humungous mistake in ditching the Specialist area. It should be hands up, apologies and reinstatement as soon as possible.

 

Surely, he should be looking at nonsense like the optional forums...I mean... Natasha Bedingfield????? There's at least half of them that should be culled. Most of them are nothing short of an embarrassment to this site. I mean - this is a music website...isn't it? Buzzjack is in real danger of alienating the most interesting members it has - end of.

 

Do we want a site that simply includes what Louis Walsh or Simon Cowell decides we should be listening to? Because let's be homest - that's what this site is rapidly becoming.

 

The Specialist area was to many, myself included, the first point of call on BJ.

 

If, of course, having non-popheads on BJ, is what Jake et al want - fine.... there's oodles of other music websiites that would balk at the utter $h!t we're fawning over on BJ these days. And plenty of other websites where a Specialist section, far from being superfluous and unnecessary, is the backbone of the site.

 

So Jake... your ideas on the following...

 

where do we put

PJ Harvey?

Bjork?

Kate Bush?

Tori Amos?

Marc Almond?

Goldfrapp?

Portishead?

Massive Attack?

David Bowie?

Alison Moyet?

New Order?

Fleet Foxes?

Husky Rescue?

Morrissey?

Air?

 

Because none of these fit into Dance, Retro and certainly not Rock/Indie...so...any ideas? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

 

For my sins, I found Cremey's post funny.

 

Back to the matter at hand, the Rock forum can be the place to post such threads that don't have a specific genre - there is no reason why it cannot be named the Rock and Alternative forum for instance (although the name of the forum is yet another (probably endless) debate).

I don't see why we couldn't split it into Indie/Alt (importantly covering all of the artists that came under the Specialist umbrella) and Rock (including all rock in there, with the lighter stuff going in Indie), making the former an expanded version of Specialist?

Surely, he should be looking at nonsense like the optional forums...I mean... Natasha Bedingfield????? There's at least half of them that should be culled. Most of them are nothing short of an embarrassment to this site. I mean - this is a music website...isn't it? Buzzjack is in real danger of alienating the most interesting members it has - end of.

I'm currently in the process of doing an independent judgement on which forums would be better off being merged, although whether I'm listened to on this is another matter totally :lol: It should probably be done by the second week of January...

The bottom line is that Jake, or whoever made this bizarre, misguided and inappropriate decision, has made a humungous mistake in ditching the Specialist area. It should be hands up, apologies and reinstatement as soon as possible.

 

Surely, he should be looking at nonsense like the optional forums...I mean... Natasha Bedingfield????? There's at least half of them that should be culled. Most of them are nothing short of an embarrassment to this site. I mean - this is a music website...isn't it? Buzzjack is in real danger of alienating the most interesting members it has - end of.

 

Do we want a site that simply includes what Louis Walsh or Simon Cowell decides we should be listening to? Because let's be homest - that's what this site is rapidly becoming.

 

The Specialist area was to many, myself included, the first point of call on BJ.

 

If, of course, having non-popheads on BJ, is what Jake et al want - fine.... there's oodles of other music websiites that would balk at the utter $h!t we're fawning over on BJ these days. And plenty of other websites where a Specialist section, far from being superfluous and unnecessary, is the backbone of the site.

 

So Jake... your ideas on the following...

 

where do we put

PJ Harvey?

Bjork?

Kate Bush?

Tori Amos?

Marc Almond?

Goldfrapp?

Portishead?

Massive Attack?

David Bowie?

Alison Moyet?

New Order?

Fleet Foxes?

Husky Rescue?

Morrissey?

Air?

 

Because none of these fit into Dance, Retro and certainly not Rock/Indie...so...any ideas? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I'll respond to this point as you call me out directly —

 

The Culture Box as a forum just wasn't working. "In an ideal world" is a simple enough premise to work under but the realities of running a working and effective forum is something quite different. As far as I saw it the forum simply wasn't working. There wasn't enough interest and people were simply posting about artists such as Duffy et al in other "more popular" forums. So many times I had to ask for posts to be moved.

 

All of the posters who have protested to haven't exactly been posting hugely in the forum of late either. It simply attracted minimal interest. Furthermore, most other "general music forums" cope with one forum to umbrella all of these bands, why can't Buzzjack?

 

The idea of a Specialist Music Forum on BJ is a golden one but ultimately unworkable. Sure I'd love a place to discuss all of those aforementioned acts from your posts but BJ needs to work properly and the split prevented this. I'd suggest a forum title change for Rock/Indie/Alt to either 'Rock and Alternative' or 'Indie and Alternative' or even just 'Alternative'. I don't see why those acts can't be discussed in this space? It's only a title, it's the posters and most importantly the content which counts. You know Russ that I'm not one of these ignorant pop gob$h!tes which swarm BJ so virulently. I want more than anything to have a blossoming alternative scene here but me you and the rest need to get less lazy and post. I don't really listen to Pop music at all, shouldn't I post more about the alternative I'm into and then people take an interest, look and debate and give opinions?

 

I think we should look at all of this from a more positive light. This should give rise to a deep, progressive and interesting forum and still do everything Culture Box did...

Oh and really the whole AF thing has no relevance here? I don't quite get why you're bringing it up in such a context? To act as a comparison to the culling off what as a comparitively "intellectual" forum rather than the "dim" AFs?

 

Just an FYI but I've actually made quite a point of saying some AFs are surplus to requirements and are bringing the site down. I believe the AFs are all under review now too so yanno...

The bottom line is that Jake, or whoever made this bizarre, misguided and inappropriate decision, has made a humungous mistake in ditching the Specialist area. It should be hands up, apologies and reinstatement as soon as possible.

 

Surely, he should be looking at nonsense like the optional forums...I mean... Natasha Bedingfield????? There's at least half of them that should be culled. Most of them are nothing short of an embarrassment to this site. I mean - this is a music website...isn't it? Buzzjack is in real danger of alienating the most interesting members it has - end of.

 

Do we want a site that simply includes what Louis Walsh or Simon Cowell decides we should be listening to? Because let's be homest - that's what this site is rapidly becoming.

 

The Specialist area was to many, myself included, the first point of call on BJ.

 

If, of course, having non-popheads on BJ, is what Jake et al want - fine.... there's oodles of other music websiites that would balk at the utter $h!t we're fawning over on BJ these days. And plenty of other websites where a Specialist section, far from being superfluous and unnecessary, is the backbone of the site.

 

So Jake... your ideas on the following...

 

where do we put

PJ Harvey?

Bjork?

Kate Bush?

Tori Amos?

Marc Almond?

Goldfrapp?

Portishead?

Massive Attack?

David Bowie?

Alison Moyet?

New Order?

Fleet Foxes?

Husky Rescue?

Morrissey?

Air?

 

Because none of these fit into Dance, Retro and certainly not Rock/Indie...so...any ideas? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

With not posting too much in the Specialist forums, perhaps I'm not qualified enough to comment. But it is clear to me that this move to remove the Specialist forum was definitely in the best interests of the site.

 

A renaming of the "Indie, Rock and Alternative" to perhaps "Alternative" would be a good step. The Specialist forum just split up activity. With the couple of threads I posted in the Specialist, I literally was bewildered with which forum to put them in. The difference between "alternative" and "specialist" is pretty minimal. My view is that the problem you have is that you don't want to see the likes of Massive Attack and Bloc Party clumped together. Perhaps you find it slightly insulting to the acts? As well, incorporating the Specialist into the Indie, Rock and Alternative would surely get these acts a few new listeners and possibly even fans? Surely the idea of a music forum is to discuss music you currently listen to, and DISCOVER new acts? I've done plenty of the latter in my time here, and become more cultured as a result, and more rounded a person.

 

Another point is that the "criticisms" of the AF forums is all well and good, it has little relevance to this situation. The demand for a Natasha Bedingfield forum was there so BJ took the option. Besides, keeping the Natasha Bedingfield talk away in a isolated corner of the site is surely a good thing?! I'm sure if none of these "AF's" existed, you'd be more annoyed when the Pop Forum becomes full to high heaven of The Saturdays?

My view is that the problem you have is that you don't want to see the likes of Massive Attack and Bloc Party clumped together. Perhaps you find it slightly insulting to the acts?

 

Not "insulting", they simply DO NOT fit together anymore than Coldplay and Slayer do... Mind you, I'm just betting you lot are planning on just that, "merging" the Punk/Metal sub-forum into this giant, amorphous "Alternative" THING of yours and having Massive Attack, Bloc Party and Slayer threads all in the same place, sorry guys but you're putting square pegs into round holes as far as I'm concerned... Sorry, call me Mr Elitist, but that just does NOT FIT TOGETHER.... Go to HMV or Zavvi some time or even take a look on Play.com's website, you will NOT be seeing any of these acts in the same area of the store or the site, because Indie, Dance and Metal are all split into sections, like DUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHH..... :rolleyes:

 

You also have separate charts for the particular genres as well.. you have the mainstream/pop chart, you have Dance charts, Rock/Metal charts, Indie charts, Alternative charts.....

 

I am absolutely and 100% with Russ and Alex on this.... You really ARE in danger of p!ssing off some of your best and most musically knowledgable posters by doing this cr@p.... This is throwing the baby out with the bathwater, simple as....

 

IMO i think it should become to forums, 'Indie and Specialist Forum' for all your indie and specialist needs and 'Metal, Punk and Rock Forum' for all metal, punk and rock discussion, as this will bring more discussion into both the indie forum and the punk/metal forums.

Not "insulting", they simply DO NOT fit together anymore than Coldplay and Slayer do... Mind you, I'm just betting you lot are planning on just that, "merging" the Punk/Metal sub-forum into this giant, amorphous "Alternative" THING of yours and having Massive Attack, Bloc Party and Slayer threads all in the same place, sorry guys but you're putting square pegs into round holes as far as I'm concerned... Sorry, call me Mr Elitist, but that just does NOT FIT TOGETHER.... Go to HMV or Zavvi some time or even take a look on Play.com's website, you will NOT be seeing any of these acts in the same area of the store or the site, because Indie, Dance and Metal are all split into sections, like DUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHH..... :rolleyes:

 

You also have separate charts for the particular genres as well.. you have the mainstream/pop chart, you have Dance charts, Rock/Metal charts, Indie charts, Alternative charts.....

 

I am absolutely and 100% with Russ and Alex on this.... You really ARE in danger of p!ssing off some of your best and most musically knowledgable posters by doing this cr@p.... This is throwing the baby out with the bathwater, simple as....

Stop acting so bloody immaturely Grimly. No-one wants to merge the Punk/Alt forums. No-one has even been suggesting tht :/

 

You know perhaps this'd never happened if you complainers had actually posted more in Specilaist and kept it going.

 

As for the last point: if you're going to become an elitist snob then pretty much fück off. You/Alex/Russ's opinions mean no more than other posters.

IMO i think it should become to forums, 'Indie and Specialist Forum' for all your indie and specialist needs and 'Metal, Punk and Rock Forum' for all metal, punk and rock discussion, as this will bring more discussion into both the indie forum and the punk/metal forums.

That would work.

 

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Stop acting so bloody immaturely Grimly. No-one wants to merge the Punk/Alt forums. No-one has even been suggesting tht :/

 

You know perhaps this'd never happened if you complainers had actually posted more in Specilaist and kept it going.

 

As for the last point: if you're going to become an elitist snob then pretty much fück off. You/Alex/Russ's opinions mean no more than other posters.

 

You post that sh!te and tell ME, Russ and Alex we're the ones acting immaturely..... Why dont YOU 'fukk off' mate, you have NO IDEAS of the sort of music that exists in my collection, so how DARE you presume to call me an "elistist snob", since when is being a bit fukkin' discerning about what you listen to count as elitism or snobbery, you pillock.....?

 

And, yeah, right "no plans" to merge sh"t until there are and it happens virtually without any notice, you'd make a good politician Jake.... The first Alex knew what was going on was when he logged in and found out the hard way... No real notice, no PMs or emails which is how things should have proceeded seeing as how he was one of the fukkin' MODS on the forum.... And you are honestly telling me that you're merging all this Indie/Rock/Specialist stuff together and it hasn't actually occurred to someone in admin just to put the Punk/Metal stuff in there as well, because "we'd may as well..."... Bullsh!t..... I aint buying that, and neither is Chris.... I see how things are working here and certain people clearly want to turn this site into a fukkin' embarrassment....

 

Fukk you mate, dont you EVER talk down to me like that....

 

 

 

I apologise to my fellow music fans and Buzzjackers for the tone of the above post... But, frankly I am buggered if I aint gonna react to a personal attack, which it clearly was on Jake's part.... The points I made in my posts were general and not aimed at anyone specific, I didn't even mention anyone by name apart from Russ and Alex whom I was supporting... I NEVER made it personal in the first instance with Jake, he chose to make it personal with me, and I'm gonna have summat to say about that....

 

 

 

 

I don't need to know what's in your collection to know that you're completely elitist. It shows in the way in which you've carried yourself in this thread and in the musical sections of this forum. You act as if you're superior to me and other people here when it comes to discussing music:

 

Not "insulting", they simply DO NOT fit together anymore than Coldplay and Slayer do... Mind you, I'm just betting you lot are planning on just that, "merging" the Punk/Metal

I am absolutely and 100% with Russ and Alex on this.... You really ARE in danger of p!ssing off some of your best and most musically knowledgable posters by doing this cr@p.... This is throwing the baby out with the bathwater, simple as....

 

And as for the other points. Firstly, please stop inferring that this is all me. This is not all me. I am a moderator of this site. I am not someone who holds any real influence or power so this decision was taken by the higher powers that be. THEY decided this and it has been suggested/mooted a number of times by many people on the board.

 

As for this whole "making it personal thing"...erm I'm not? I said 'fück off' as a sign of annoyance/extremity/emphasising my point. It's something you really cannot complain about yourself considering you do pretty much the same thing all the time? Again, I was not "talking down" to you either. I am not superior, nor are you. We're on a level? I don't think I'm better or more important than you so please stop inferring this.

 

Again, it is not in my power/my fault that Alex was never PM'd that's an Admin job/role, not mine so stop including me in that aspect of things.

 

I'll make the point once more too going back the Specialist Forum itself, a point you didn't respond to: the forum would never have gone if yourself, Ruust etc had actually spent more time posting in there. It's all good and well to PROTEST when it's gone but neither of you actually put much time into it. A dead forum shouldn't remain there for the sheer sake of it.

 

I won't even get into the rubbish you're spouting about merging Punk etc because it's a waste of time and you're just being childish.

And as for the other points. Firstly, please stop inferring that this is all me. This is not all me.

 

Just where in MY posts am I mentioning YOU by name....???? That would be Russ who's doing that. Prat.... My points are GENERAL aimed at whoever IS responsible..... :rolleyes:

 

Bottom line, you had NO RIGHT to have a go at me because I didn't even MENTION you....

 

 

 

 

 

I don't need to know what's in your collection to know that you're completely elitist. It shows in the way in which you've carried yourself in this thread and in the musical sections of this forum. You act as if you're superior to me and other people here when it comes to discussing music:

 

Yeah, whatever mate... Call me an "elitist" if that's what makes you comfortable.... -_- Me...? I just know what I like and what I dont and I dont suffer blandness or fools gladly, and I have a pretty strong, pretty sensitive Bullsh!t Detector.... Always have.....

 

But, personally, I wouldn't really call someone who has acts as diverse as Madonna, Massive Attack, Mozart and Morbid Angel in their music collection as being "snobbish" or "elitist", but you obviously do, so, like I say, whatevaaaaaahhhhhhh -_-

Just where in MY posts am I mentioning YOU by name....???? That would be Russ who's doing that. Prat.... My points are GENERAL aimed at whoever IS responsible..... :rolleyes:

 

Bottom line, you had NO RIGHT to have a go at me because I didn't even MENTION you....

No you didn't mention me, doesn't mean I can't/won't react to your elitist tones your posts take.

 

Your post continually suggests that *I* was the perpetrator that did all of this? So that nil and voids the last section of your first sentence.

 

No response to the rest of what I said? I'm disappointed.

 

You know I don't want to ruin this site. I want more than anything for a harmonious, busy alternative music area for this site. It's the only type of music I listen to, see live, ENJOY. I want to share/communicate that with people here and you know I am sure that you do too. The problems arrive though with age don't they? Just because you're older doesn't mean you know better, think better? What do you know musically about me Grimly? What makes you musically superior to me? Do you even know what music I like?

 

You can post down to some people here idiotic enough to take on the heavy-handed stuff you post but it won't work on me. Don't infer stuff that isn't true and stop with the childish name calling. We can debate this like adults or there really isn't any point to this no? We're both better than this...

But, personally, I wouldn't really call someone who has acts as diverse as Madonna, Massive Attack, Mozart and Morbid Angel in their music collection as being "snobbish" or "elitist", but you obviously do, so, like I say, whatevaaaaaahhhhhhh -_-

You've misinterpreted me. I am not judging you on those acts. I'm juding you on the way in which you say things i.e. the "you're at risk of losing your most knowledgable..."

 

Don't over-simplify what I say. You really think I believe it makes you elitist to like those artists? How utterly ridiculous.

You've misinterpreted me. I am not judging you on those acts. I'm juding you on the way in which you say things i.e. the "you're at risk of losing your most knowledgable..."

 

Well, I know for a fact that Chris is gonna leave if anyone decides to merge the Punk/Metal thread into Indie or Rock, and I credit him with being a pretty strong poster and valuable contributer to the site, and he's 16, so DONT try to make this sh"t about age..... The site totally lost the likes of Lucy (Royston Poisoner), another excellent, and young, poster/contributer to BJ.... Clare (Daylight Dancer) has also disappeared from the site... All three of them are HALF MY AGE pretty much, so, age has no bearing on it dude....

 

I was certainly NOT only meaning the likes of myself, Alex or Russ when I was talking about the "best", YOU chose to interpret it that way.....

 

 

Well, I know for a fact that Chris is gonna leave if anyone decides to merge the Punk/Metal thread into Indie or Rock, and I credit him with being a pretty strong poster and valuable contributer to the site, and he's 16, so DONT try to make this sh"t about age..... The site totally lost the likes of Lucy (Royston Poisoner), another excellent, and young, poster/contributer to BJ.... Clare (Daylight Dancer) has also disappeared from the site... All three of them are HALF MY AGE pretty much, so, age has no bearing on it dude....

 

I was certainly NOT only meaning the likes of myself, Alex or Russ when I was talking about the "best", YOU chose to interpret it that way.....

You said "at risk of losing" not "have lost" so yanno. Renders that one a dud.

 

This is so sad. Given the bloody state of this forum we should be rallying together trying to preserve/build some sort of alternative music discussion. I think we could learn quite a lot from one and other. What do you even know about me Grimly? In terms of who I am? What I stand for in terms of this site and what I post? You have one lowly opinion of me...