But why would you shout that though, Craig!? :o Sort it out lol. Like, if someone who was white was being a rubbish driver (or whatever happens in these Grand Prix things); would you be shouting "crash you honkey c**t?" etc? :/

 

Its not something I am proud of, I get very worked up during races and just in the heat of the moment stuff can slip out, it doesn't make me a racist and I have never in my life before racally abused another sportsman so there is no underlying racist sentiments in me

Edited January 11, 200916 yr by B.A Baracus

embedded racism = unconscious racism

 

that was clearly the case.

Prince Harry is a gift to those of us who are republicans. If anything happened to his brother before he has children, that waste of space would be in line to be our head of state. What better argument can you get against a hereditary system?

storm in a teacup..... common sense is needed here.

 

surely when the word is used in context for being short for 'pakistani' it isnt offensive, its only offensive when its used in context of it being a derogatory remark.

 

was the guy he called a '**k*' offended?... no.... then why should anyone else be? just nosey busybodies, politically correct thought police sticking in their unwanted oar.

What fukkin planet are people on here....? The word "p@ki" isn't offensive???? Are you sh!tting me.... Do ANY of you actually know or grew up with or went to school with any Asian kids... Well, I DID, and there was one time when I went round to my mate's only to find some skinhead, NF tw@ts had spraypainted the words "P@kis out" on their front door, I also saw similar offensive grafitti on the windows of the small asian-run corner shop as a kid as well.... I myself was called a "P@ki-lover" because I hung around with my Asian mates at school.... Not offensive.... Dont talk BOLLOCKS...... <_<

 

And, by the way, the P-word was not the ONLY offensive remark he made, he also used the term "raghead", an utterly offensive term for anyone of the asian/arabic/muslim persuasion.... Storm in a teacup...??? Are you joking....? This is NOT FUNNY for millions of British Asians, nor is it funny for the Afghan or Iraqi people whose countries our troops are GUESTS OF, they remain in those countries by the consent of the newly democratically-elected Parliaments and can be ordered home pretty much at any time, so perhaps a LITTLE BIT OF FUKKIN' RESPECT is called for, especially from some little Royal prick playing soldier, especially when he's third in line to the throne and actually has responsibilities to live up to that his mates dont.... In fact, is it not just a little fukkin' disturbing that the term "raghead" seems to be considered okay for usage in military terminology..... Well, my cousin served in Iraq and he says that this excuse is utter bollocks..... Here was me thinking that the correct military terminology for the enemy was the 'Taliban' or the 'insugents'..... Silly me, obviously, these are merely "politically correct" terms, and not the actual terms for the enemy we face in Afghanistan and Iraq...... :rolleyes:

 

So, it seems as though we're letting these little Royal b/astards of the hook AGAIN.... First they dress up as Nazis, now they start talking like fukkin' Nazis...... An utter affront to our Grandparents' generation who fought and died in WW2 in the first instance, and in the second instance an utter affront to the millions of Asians born and bred in this country who are expected to be the bloody subjects of "King Harry" should such an occurence ever take place (God forbid....).. So, Harry can insult our grandparents by dressing up as a Nazi, he can insult our Asian brothers and sisters because he is a FUKKIN' ROYAL, and as such, we cannot rid ourselves of him as we could do with a democratically elected official who would make similar insulting remarks. The ONLY thing that would seem to be the way to take this little racist turd out of the running for the Throne is if he should want to marry a Catholic.... WTF?????? How messed up IS the Monarchy as an institution.... Well, I'm not normally one to wish Catholicism on anyone, but I sure do wish that next time he's in Ireland, he meets up with a nice, devout Catholic girl and he has to give up his right to ascension...... :rolleyes:

 

Oh, and by the way, I expect all you divvies who think that this is nothing but a "bit of a laugh" also thought the same thing about the tory tw@t who made a "joke" about dressing up as Maddie McCann and Baby P to a fancy dress party..... <_<

What fukkin planet are people on here....? The word "p@ki" isn't offensive???? Are you sh!tting me.... Do ANY of you actually know or grew up with or went to school with any Asian kids... Well, I DID, and there was one time when I went round to my mate's only to find some skinhead, NF tw@ts had spraypainted the words "P@kis out" on their front door, I also saw similar offensive grafitti on the windows of the small asian-run corner shop as a kid as well.... I myself was called a "P@ki-lover" because I hung around with my Asian mates at school.... Not offensive.... Dont talk BOLLOCKS...... <_<

 

And, by the way, the P-word was not the ONLY offensive remark he made, he also used the term "raghead", an utterly offensive term for anyone of the asian/arabic/muslim persuasion.... Storm in a teacup...??? Are you joking....? This is NOT FUNNY for millions of British Asians, nor is it funny for the Afghan or Iraqi people whose countries our troops are GUESTS OF, they remain in those countries by the consent of the newly democratically-elected Parliaments and can be ordered home pretty much at any time, so perhaps a LITTLE BIT OF FUKKIN' RESPECT is called for, especially from some little Royal prick playing soldier, especially when he's third in line to the throne and actually has responsibilities to live up to that his mates dont.... In fact, is it not just a little fukkin' disturbing that the term "raghead" seems to be considered okay for usage in military terminology..... Well, my cousin served in Iraq and he says that this excuse is utter bollocks..... Here was me thinking that the correct military terminology for the enemy was the 'Taliban' or the 'insugents'..... Silly me, obviously, these are merely "politically correct" terms, and not the actual terms for the enemy we face in Afghanistan and Iraq...... :rolleyes:

 

So, it seems as though we're letting these little Royal b/astards of the hook AGAIN.... First they dress up as Nazis, now they start talking like fukkin' Nazis...... An utter affront to our Grandparents' generation who fought and died in WW2 in the first instance, and in the second instance an utter affront to the millions of Asians born and bred in this country who are expected to be the bloody subjects of "King Harry" should such an occurence ever take place (God forbid....).. So, Harry can insult our grandparents by dressing up as a Nazi, he can insult our Asian brothers and sisters because he is a FUKKIN' ROYAL, and as such, we cannot rid ourselves of him as we could do with a democratically elected official who would make similar insulting remarks. The ONLY thing that would seem to be the way to take this little racist turd out of the running for the Throne is if he should want to marry a Catholic.... WTF?????? How messed up IS the Monarchy as an institution.... Well, I'm not normally one to wish Catholicism on anyone, but I sure do wish that next time he's in Ireland, he meets up with a nice, devout Catholic girl and he has to give up his right to ascension...... :rolleyes:

 

Oh, and by the way, I expect all you divvies who think that this is nothing but a "bit of a laugh" also thought the same thing about the tory tw@t who made a "joke" about dressing up as Maddie McCann and Baby P to a fancy dress party..... <_<

 

 

Its the MILITARY mate, the military is known for its "industrial language" and lack of political correctness, ok it was at an airport but in military environments racist and politically incorrect terms are the norm so for me racial banter and racial remarks are part and parcel of military life. Watch the first half of Stanley Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket and see the terms the drill instructor was using towards recruits and that was a real life drill instructor so he was acting in the role the same way as he is when he was training soldiers, the way R Lee Ermey was talking is the NORM for the military and I would be more worried if Harry was NOT being politically incorrect in a military environment, using ragheads is no different to the American soldiers in Vietnam inventing the term "gooks" to refer to the locals

 

The guy who was called a **k* did not complain, he was not offended, he just saw it as banter and did not complain, the only complaining was from his dad years later when he read the NOTW article, if the guy called a **k* was not offended then it is a non story and just barrack room banter although in an airport

 

And no, that guy who dressed as Madeleine was rightly kicked out of the party

was the guy he called a '**k*' offended?... no.... then why should anyone else be? just nosey busybodies, politically correct thought police sticking in their unwanted oar.

 

Well, of course he aint gonna SAY anything is he.... Firsly, he's in an institution notorious for racist bullying, and where speaking out against such things is almost like committing an act of treason, and secondly IT'S THE THIRD IN LINE TO THE BLOODY THRONE saying it to him, so yeah, he's really gonna say to PRINCE Harry "Don't fukkin' call me 'p@ki' your Royal sh!teness"..... :rolleyes:

 

Surely this is the whole problem with having a fukkin' monarchy, we offer them deferrence when they blatantly dont deserve it....

 

And what about the SECOND offensive remark, "You look like a raghead....". WTF is that all about.....? Sometimes i really do believe you are an utter idiot Rob....

 

And no, that guy who dressed as Madeleine was rightly kicked out of the party

 

So, you're a hypocrite then.....

 

We can have some Royal c/unt offend an entire race of people, but god forbid we upset ONE middle class family..... (playing devil's advocate by the way...)

 

You totally miss the point... We are in that country to help people, and to supposedly "win hearts and minds".... Just how the hell do we achieve that when the Third in line to the throne cannot appear to show any respect to the people he is out there to help and aid... The excuse of "industrial language" is a totally weak one.....

 

He DRESSED like a Nazi, now he's talking like one, end of...... <_<

 

using ragheads is no different to the American soldiers in Vietnam inventing the term "gooks" to refer to the locals

 

Oh well, Two wrongs totally make a right, yeah, Vietnam, ANOTHER piece of sh!t "war" in which the powers that be lied about the supposed "necessity" of invading that country and massacring tens of thousands of innocent people..... :rolleyes: You just dont get it do you..... When you dehumanise people like this, you make it easier for them to be seen as being something less than human and it makes them easier to kill, because, well, they're not human beings with thoughts, feelings are they....?

 

You're a fukkin' armchair general mate, you have NEVER seen war, NEVER seen people die..... My cousin has, and he totally HATES idiots like you who talk $h!te, wrapping yourself in the union jack, thousands of miles away from where people are killing and dying......

 

So, you're a hypocrite then.....

 

We can have some Royal c/unt offend an entire race of people, but god forbid we upset ONE middle class family..... (playing devil's advocate by the way...)

 

You totally miss the point... We are in that country to help people, and to supposedly "win hearts and minds".... Just how the hell do we achieve that when the Third in line to the throne cannot appear to show any respect to the people he is out there to help and aid... The excuse of "industrial language" is a totally weak one.....

 

He DRESSED like a Nazi, now he's talking like one, end of...... <_<

 

In the context that it was used in I don't think it should be treated as offensive, if he had used the term "raghead" in a public statement or in a meeting with President Karzai then yeah it would be totally inappropriate and rightfully offensive but in a bit of banter with some mates that was not for public consumption then I don't think it is anywhere near the same scale of offence, I speak totally differently in business meetings and my official capacity to how I do when say I am playing poker with friends or am down the pub and in that context Harry was in that sort of environment

What fukkin planet are people on here....? The word "p@ki" isn't offensive???? Are you sh!tting me.... Do ANY of you actually know or grew up with or went to school with any Asian kids... Well, I DID, and there was one time when I went round to my mate's only to find some skinhead, NF tw@ts had spraypainted the words "P@kis out" on their front door, I also saw similar offensive grafitti on the windows of the small asian-run corner shop as a kid as well.... I myself was called a "P@ki-lover" because I hung around with my Asian mates at school.... Not offensive.... Dont talk BOLLOCKS...... <_<

 

And, by the way, the P-word was not the ONLY offensive remark he made, he also used the term "raghead", an utterly offensive term for anyone of the asian/arabic/muslim persuasion.... Storm in a teacup...??? Are you joking....? This is NOT FUNNY for millions of British Asians, nor is it funny for the Afghan or Iraqi people whose countries our troops are GUESTS OF, they remain in those countries by the consent of the newly democratically-elected Parliaments and can be ordered home pretty much at any time, so perhaps a LITTLE BIT OF FUKKIN' RESPECT is called for, especially from some little Royal prick playing soldier, especially when he's third in line to the throne and actually has responsibilities to live up to that his mates dont.... In fact, is it not just a little fukkin' disturbing that the term "raghead" seems to be considered okay for usage in military terminology..... Well, my cousin served in Iraq and he says that this excuse is utter bollocks..... Here was me thinking that the correct military terminology for the enemy was the 'Taliban' or the 'insugents'..... Silly me, obviously, these are merely "politically correct" terms, and not the actual terms for the enemy we face in Afghanistan and Iraq...... :rolleyes:

 

So, it seems as though we're letting these little Royal b/astards of the hook AGAIN.... First they dress up as Nazis, now they start talking like fukkin' Nazis...... An utter affront to our Grandparents' generation who fought and died in WW2 in the first instance, and in the second instance an utter affront to the millions of Asians born and bred in this country who are expected to be the bloody subjects of "King Harry" should such an occurence ever take place (God forbid....).. So, Harry can insult our grandparents by dressing up as a Nazi, he can insult our Asian brothers and sisters because he is a FUKKIN' ROYAL, and as such, we cannot rid ourselves of him as we could do with a democratically elected official who would make similar insulting remarks. The ONLY thing that would seem to be the way to take this little racist turd out of the running for the Throne is if he should want to marry a Catholic.... WTF?????? How messed up IS the Monarchy as an institution.... Well, I'm not normally one to wish Catholicism on anyone, but I sure do wish that next time he's in Ireland, he meets up with a nice, devout Catholic girl and he has to give up his right to ascension...... :rolleyes:

 

Oh, and by the way, I expect all you divvies who think that this is nothing but a "bit of a laugh" also thought the same thing about the tory tw@t who made a "joke" about dressing up as Maddie McCann and Baby P to a fancy dress party..... <_<

 

lol.... good to see you back m8, all that pent up new year anger is now being let out i see :lol:

 

ok...if racist scum had grafittied 'pakistani scum out' would that make the word 'pakistani' offensive?... :lol: no of course not! you have clearly missed the 'contextual' element to the argument. i fail to see why the word **k* when said in a freindly, familiar, manner is no worse then calling you a 'jock' or us as 'brits'... the word '**k*' in itself ISNT offensive, the words that usually accompany them are the words that make it an offensive phrase...ie '**k* bast*rd' . the asian people i know arnt offended by '**k*', but will be IF it has malicious accompanying derogratory word.

 

In the context that it was used in I don't think it should be treated as offensive, if he had used the term "raghead" in a public statement or in a meeting with President Karzai then yeah it would be totally inappropriate and rightfully offensive but in a bit of banter with some mates that was not for public consumption then I don't think it is anywhere near the same scale of offence, I speak totally differently in business meetings and my official capacity to how I do when say I am playing poker with friends or am down the pub and in that context Harry was in that sort of environment

 

Sorry, I just do not see that as an excuse. At all... It's a lack of respect for the people who's country you are in for a start.... And secondly, I work with Asian folks, I have NEVER even once thought about using the word "p@ki" even as a joke, maybe it's just that I have more respect for people than you do, or some dickhead squaddies do..... Or maybe it's because I saw what happened to my childhood friends as a result of people using dehumanising, racist language.... Have you ever had to visit a mate of yours in the hospital because he was beaten up by skinheads who called him a "p@ki b'astard"....? Maybe if you had, you wouldn't be so fukkin' blase about this.... This sh!t belongs in the 1970s and 1980s mate, not in the 21st Century.....

 

It's not big, it's not clever, it's not funny...... I really hope the likes of you and Rob come back in the next life as an Asian or Black woman mate.... I really do.... :rolleyes:

the asian people i know arnt offended by '**k*', but will be IF it has malicious accompanying derogratory word.

 

You clearly dont know very many Asian people... Or else you just know the ones who are just going to keep their heads down and take the insults, a bit like this young lad who's in Harry's squad, he might "laugh it off", but that dont mean he actually likes it..... I'm certainly not aware of any Asian Rappers out there who have "reclaimed" the word from its racist context either.... So, I think it's better if a bunch of white people just DONT use words like this.....

 

Sorry, I just do not see that as an excuse. At all... It's a lack of respect for the people who's country you are in for a start.... And secondly, I work with Asian folks, I have NEVER even once thought about using the word "p@ki" even as a joke, maybe it's just that I have more respect for people than you do, or some dickhead squaddies do..... Or maybe it's because I saw what happened to my childhood friends as a result of people using dehumanising, racist language.... Have you ever had to visit a mate of yours in the hospital because he was beaten up by skinheads who called him a "p@ki b'astard"....? Maybe if you had, you wouldn't be so fukkin' blase about this.... This sh!t belongs in the 1970s and 1980s mate, not in the 21st Century.....

 

It's not big, it's not clever, it's not funny...... I really hope the likes of you and Rob come back in the next life as an Asian or Black woman mate.... I really do.... :rolleyes:

 

I have seen it mate first hand except as a jewish person

 

In school I had swastikas put on my locker, I had hissing sounds when I entered the classroom to imitate the gas chamber hissing, I have seen many houses when I was young daubed with swastikas so have been the VICTIM of racism myself and experienced racism first hand so racism isn't just about dark skinned people

 

BUT in social situations when I am among friends I am regularly called a Yid and a Kike but it is BANTER it is not offensive and I give some comebacks too and don't give a damn as am among friends and that is the context that what Harry said has to be looked at, mates calling me yid and kike is to me not remotely offensive

ok...if racist scum had grafittied 'pakistani scum out' would that make the word 'pakistani' offensive?...

 

They wouldn't though, they're too thick..... :P

 

The whole point of racism is to use terminology which is NOT the correct terms, to dehumanise, to ridicule.... You didn't hear the KKK refer to Africans AS Africans, they were called "n!gger" or "coon"..... And racists wouldn't say "Hispanic" either, they would say "spic".... These words are VULGAR, slang of the worst kind..... Funny you should mention the word "jock"... A friend of mine told me he once met Keith Allan at a party, and Allan actually said to him "Christ, If I knew you were a fukkin' Jock, I'd've stayed away from you..".. What a prick... Believe me, if he'd said that to me, I'd've fukkin' decked the c/unt..... <_<

 

It's ignorance, simple as.... And I dont give a sh!t if he's third in line to the throne or the third son of a butcher, it's OFFENSIVE no matter what the source.....

 

And yeah, I pretty much DO feel the same way about Gangsta rappers using the term "n****"..... It's one of the reasons I actually stopped listening to Rap Music......

You clearly dont know very many Asian people... Or else you just know the ones who are just going to keep their heads down and take the insults, a bit like this young lad who's in Harry's squad, he might "laugh it off", but that dont mean he actually likes it..... I'm certainly not aware of any Asian Rappers out there who have "reclaimed" the word from its racist context either.... So, I think it's better if a bunch of white people just DONT use words like this.....

 

so if the thugs hadnt used the abreviation '**k*' but had called them 'pakistani bast*rds' the word 'pakistani' would be offensive?>... :lol: NO NO NO! the word 'bast*rd' is the real offensive word.

 

**k* is short for pakinstani in the same way 'brit' is short for british.

 

its totally unlike the deliberately derogratory words used to describe afro-carribeans ( n, w, c) they are words that only exist to be used as abuse. '**k*' isnt in that catagory.

BUT in social situations when I am among friends I am regularly called a Yid and a Kike but it is BANTER it is not offensive and I give some comebacks too and don't give a damn as am among friends and that is the context that what Harry said has to be looked at, mates calling me yid and kike is to me not remotely offensive

 

You're not third in line to the throne, you're not occupying someone else's country illegally while you're having your little "jokes" though..... It's TOTALLY different Craig..... If you cant see that, well, I dunno mate.....

 

I have seen it mate first hand except as a jewish person

 

In school I had swastikas put on my locker, I had hissing sounds when I entered the classroom to imitate the gas chamber hissing, I have seen many houses when I was young daubed with swastikas so have been the VICTIM of racism myself and experienced racism first hand so racism isn't just about dark skinned people

 

BUT in social situations when I am among friends I am regularly called a Yid and a Kike but it is BANTER it is not offensive and I give some comebacks too and don't give a damn as am among friends and that is the context that what Harry said has to be looked at, mates calling me yid and kike is to me not remotely offensive

 

exactly..... calling you a 'yid' isnt really offensive, calling you a 'yiddish bast*rd' IS!.

they are words that only exist to be used as abuse. '**k*' isnt in that catagory.

 

Rubbish.... The word "P@ki" never existed in the English language until racists started using it.....

 

Rubbish.... The word "P@ki" never existed in the English language until racists started using it.....

 

who says?.... scource?...

 

as far as im concerned it came to our language when the large influx of pakinstanis came in the 60's - 70's.