June 15, 200619 yr Hmmm... no dissing of the Jovi, ok!!! Its a bit difficult here where to put them as they are not Indie, not metal and not really pop. They are Rock! Or got old Rock n Roll so they dont really fit in any of the categories. But no hating of the Jovi!!!!
June 15, 200619 yr Hmmm... no dissing of the Jovi, ok!!! Its a bit difficult here where to put them as they are not Indie, not metal and not really pop. They are Rock! Or got old Rock n Roll so they dont really fit in any of the categories. they are metal, havent you been paying attention to the wiki?
June 15, 200619 yr If theyre metal Im desmond tutu!!! And Im a Bon Jovi fan!! Theyre rock, which unfortunately doesnt fit in as much in some of the categories- if only because they arent cool enough for Indie! Not that Bon Jovi have ever been cool, but thats never bothered me!
June 16, 200619 yr If theyre metal Im desmond tutu!!! And Im a Bon Jovi fan!! Theyre rock, which unfortunately doesnt fit in as much in some of the categories- if only because they arent cool enough for Indie! Not that Bon Jovi have ever been cool, but thats never bothered me! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Archbishop-Tutu-medium.jpg Well Hello Desmond Mpilo Tutu, your Most Reverend mean metal mutha!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Tutu
June 16, 200619 yr they are metal, havent you been paying attention to the wiki? THEY ****ING WELL AREN'T METAL!!!!!!!!!!! :angry: :angry: :angry: Any thread about that bunch of girls in my forum will be deleted on site! same with Aerosmith or any other hair metal band (cos it's basically not metal, but under the name metal). thank you.
June 16, 200619 yr THEY ****ING WELL AREN'T METAL!!!!!!!!!!! :angry: :angry: :angry: Any thread about that bunch of girls in my forum will be deleted on site! same with Aerosmith or any other hair metal band (cos it's basically not metal, but under the name metal). thank you. well may i refer you back to the articles on the previous page. however much you might hate them the wikipedians list them as metal, the rough guide to heavy metal lists them as metal and so that should be the end of it!!!
June 16, 200619 yr well may i refer you back to the articles on the previous page. however much you might hate them the wikipedians list them as metal, the rough guide to heavy metal lists them as metal and so that should be the end of it!!! So we go by everything wikipedia says :rolleyes: I couldn't careless what they think is Metal, i aint having that $h!t in my forum, got it?
June 16, 200619 yr They're pop I tells ya! They sure are, they made radio friendly songs designed to sell as much as possible, they're pop in my view.
June 16, 200619 yr Come on we've RESOLVED this. Bon Jovi is in Pop, Aerosmith is in Retro, nodody (even the Pop and Retro Forum moderators) seems to be complaining so can we please let it rest.
June 16, 200619 yr They're pop I tells ya! Well i go with the encyclopedias rather taking any personal view, think thats the best way or people will be arguing for ever!!! Pop music From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Pop music Stylistic origins: A variety of influences, especially Rock and Roll and Rhythm and Blues Cultural origins: 1950s United States Typical instruments: Electric guitar, Bass guitar, Drums, Keyboard, Synthesizers Mainstream popularity: Continuous from 1960s Subgenres Bubblegum pop - Traditional pop music Fusion genres Pop punk - Pop rap - Power pop Regional scenes Asia: Cantopop, Mandarin pop, Indian pop, J-pop, K-pop, String (Thai pop) - Europe: Europop, Britpop, Nederpop - Americas: United States, Música Popular Brasileira Other topics Pop culture - Boy band - Girl group For Popular music (music that is "popular", rather than of a specific genre or style), see Popular music. For the 1979 song by "M", see Pop Muzik. Pop music is an important genre of popular music distinguished from classical or art music and from folk music [1]. The term indicates specific stylistic traits but the genre also includes artists working in many styles (rock, hip hop, rhythm and blues (R&B), and country), and it is reasonable to say that "pop music" is a flexible category. It may also be referred to as soft rock or pop/rock. Characteristics as a subgenre While Pop music is sometimes described as music produced commercially, for profit, "as a matter of enterprise, not art" it may more usefully be defined as a music whose content is driven by market as well as aesthetic forces. Pop "is designed to appeal to everyone" and "doesn't come from any particular place or mark off any particular taste." In musical terms, it is essentially conservative" in that it attemps to resonate with a large segment of its target demographic rather than pushing artistic boundaries. It is "provided from on high (by record companies, radio programmers and concert promoters) rather than being made from below..." (Frith 2001, p.95-96) [edit] History of pop music [edit] 1930s and 1940s Styles influencing the later development of pop include the Blues (Chicago), and Country (Tennessee). [edit] 1950s Early Pop music artists include Frank Sinatra, Bobby Darin, and Peggy Lee [edit] 1960s The decade starts out with such Teen Idols as, Johnny Tillotson,emily dewitte Bobby Vee, Brian Hyland, Tommy Roe, Gene Pitney, Frankie Avalon and explodes midway with Carole King, Neil Diamond, Burt Bacharach, Aretha Franklin, Isley Brothers, Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder, the Supremes, Marvin Gaye, Bob Dylan, Simon and Garfunkel, The Byrds. [edit] 1970s A proliferation of new sounds from the disco of the BeeGees, the piano sounds of Billy Joel and Elton John, the country of the Eagles, the rock-influenced pop of artists like Rod Stewart, Steely Dan, and Fleetwood Mac. ABBA was a swedish band who grew to fame after winning Eurovision and starting a whole new revolution of pop music. [edit] 1980s One of the biggest highlights for pop music in the 1980's was Michael Jackson's second Epic label release, Thriller, which went on to become the best-selling album of the 80's. Thriller earned Jackson the nickname "The King of Pop". Madonna also acheived success. Other artists included Prince, Kylie Minogue, Duran Duran, The Police, Abba, Phil Collins, and Culture Club. [edit] 1990s and 21st Century Resurgence of boy band and girl band trends. From the UK came the likes of Take That, Blue, the Spice Girls, a highly successful formula. Irish boy bands of the time include Boyzone and Westlife. The US had New Edition,New Kids On The Block followed by the Backstreet Boys, Hanson and then 'N Sync and Pop Princesses Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera. Australia had Boys from Oz. 1999 saw the rise of the Latin explosion with Ricky Martin at the forefront with his worldwide smash hit "Livin' La Vida Loca". Other latin artists to follow were Jennifer Lopez, Enrique Iglesias, and Marc Anthony. In 2002, Justin Timberlake had critical and commercial acclaim with his "Justified" album, emerging as the new "Prince of Pop", Jesse McCartney has emerged from Dream Street as a high-rating singer with songs like She's No You, in Australia Rhoderick Gates left the Melbourne Live Pop Festival on a high with Let Us See It Through and UK bands like Son of Dork capturing youth audiences with Ticket Outta Loserville. [edit] Sound and themes Pop music, in whatever musical influence form it derives from, may be produced by a more basic songwriting approach and arrangement. The emphasis is often on a simpler melody, which makes the songs more memorable, and may use stripped-down rhythms. The combination of the melody and the rhythm allows for harmony to be a driving force of the song, which can make it more pleasing to the listener's ear. Pop music is essentially about the 3 minute song, about catching the listener's attention with something immediate, so it aims to have memorable melodies and lyrics. Themes range from personal songs to vivacious party jams. However, the most common theme deals with the wide range of emotions which stem from physical or emotional love. Music videos and live performances are often used for exposure in the media, and artists may have extravagant stage shows and use choreographed dancing. Many pop tunes are used in both Dance clubs and Sport clubs. [edit] Effects beyond music The friendliness and appeal of pop music make the subgenre prized by record companies, radio stations, and music television stations thanks to sales and ratings. The relative ease of the draw generates billions and billions of dollars into the entertainment industry. The wide canvas of artists benefit from sales, airplay, shows, and endorsements. [edit] See also Arabesque-pop music Christian pop Indie pop Electropop Futurepop C-Pop J-Pop K-Pop Latin Pop Mexican pop Operatic pop Synthpop Turbo-folk Popular music From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Popular music is music belonging to any of a number of musical styles that are accessible to the general public and mostly distributed commercially. It stands in contrast to classical music, which historically was the music of elites or the upper strata of society, and traditional folk music which was shared non-commercially. It is sometimes abbreviated to pop music, although pop music is more often used for a narrower branch of popular music. Definitions The term "popular music" is used in broad and narrow senses. At its broadest, it refers to all music other than classical music, also known as art music. In the early 19th century, the traditional songs of the common people were referred to as "popular songs." By the late 19th century these songs were referred to as "folk songs." At that time, a distinction was made between folk music and more recently developed urban popular music. Today, popular music is often described as that distributed via mass media such as recordings and radio (as classical music is now also). Popular music forms part of popular culture. Among scholars in the humanities, a broader range of definitions have been proposed. Frans Birrer (1985, p. 104) gives four conceptions or definitions of "popular" music: Normative definitions. Popular music is an inferior type. Negative definitions. Popular music is music that is not something else (usually 'folk' or 'art' music). Sociological definitions. Popular music is associated with (produced for or by) a particular social group. Technologico-economic definitions. Popular music is disseminated by mass media and/or in a mass market. All of these, according to Middleton (1990,p.4) "are interest-bound; none is satisfactory." According to Hall (1978, p.6-7), "The assumption...that you might know before you looked at cultural traditions in general what, at any particular time, was a part of the elite culture or of popular culture is untenable." Thus popular music must be comprehended in relation to the broader musical field (Middleton 1990, p.11). Bennett (1980, p.153-218) distinguishes between 'primary' and 'secondary' popular culture, the first being mass product and the second being local re-production, discussed further below. "While repetition is a feature of all music, of any sort, a high level of repetition may be a specific mark of 'the popular', enabling an inclusive rather than exclusive audience." (Middleton 1990, p.139) [edit] Popular music as a business enterprise Much popular music is the product of the modern business enterprise, disseminated for the purpose of earning a profit. Executives and employees of popular music businesses try to select and cultivate the music that will have the greatest success with the public, and thus maximize the profits of their firm. In this respect, popular music differs from traditional folk music, which was created by ordinary people for their own enjoyment, and from classical music, which was originally created to serve the purposes of the Church or for the entertainment of the nobility. (Today classical music is often subsidized by governments and universities.) Although the controlling forces of popular music are business enterprises, young people who aspire to become popular musicians are not always driven by the profit motive. Rather, they often want to find an outlet for their sense of expression and creativity, or simply to have fun. Historically, the conflicting motives of business people and musicians has been a source of tension in the popular music industry. Debate continues about the status of popular music. Some emphasize the commercial motive and suggest the big companies manipulate the audiences and sell them products with no intrinsic value. This is the debate about "authenticity" which rages whenever popular music is discussed. Commercial interests can cause the dilution of music as corporations take over their distribution, and may cause music to move away from the grassroots level of Folk or Blues. Several movements such as punk in the 80s, and Indie in the 90s, have attempted to try to take back control. The electric guitar and amplification has had a big impact on modern music. In the 30s and 40s amplified instruments became necessary to compete with the loud volumes in the Big Swing bands of the era. Gibson introduced the first Gibson Les Paul solid body guitar in 1952. In the 1960s, the tonal palette of the electric guitar was further modified by introducing an effects box in its signal path, the wah-wah pedal. [edit] Performance of popular music by amateurs Many people play popular music together with their friends, often in garages and basements, on a casual amateur basis. This activity is one of the most widespread forms of participatory music-making in modern societies. As participatory music, "garage bands" are in a sense a resurrection of the old tradition of folk music, which in premodern times was composed and performed by ordinary people and transmitted exclusively by word of mouth. The difference between the old folk music and modern amateur performance of popular music is that the participants in the latter genre are well acquainted with the expert performances that they hear on recordings, and often try to emulate them. The older folk music of a society often lives on in a popularized version, which is likewise performed by experts and commercially disseminated. Such updated versions of folk music often have heavy amateur participation. [edit] Form Main article: Song structure (popular music). Form in popular music is most often sectional, the most common sections being verse, chorus or refrain, and bridge. See also the discussion of complexity below. [edit] Performers A list of performers of popular music can be found at: List of popular music performers [edit] Genres Main article: Genres (popular music). Popular music dates at least as far back as the mid 19th century, and is commonly subdivided into genres. Different genres often appeal to different age groups. These often, but not always, are the people who were young when the music was new. Thus, for instance, Big band music continues to have a following, but it is probably a rather older group, on average, than the audience for rap. For a few of the genres listed below (for instance, Ragtime), the original target generation may have died out almost entirely. This "generation gap" in the consumption of popular music is particularly marked since the second world war and the increased economic and social independence of younger people. Music hall and other forms before the 1940s are not so clearly marked by generation. Show Tunes are generally considered to be in between popular and art music. Examples being that " Memory" (Cats) is a very acceptable song, while only select groups of people enjoy listening to "One" (U2) , "Jellicle Songs for Jellicle Cats" (Cats), "The Dream" (Fiddler on the Roof), "We'd Like to Thank You, Herbert Hoover" (Annie), "Over the Moon" (RENT), etc. [edit] Classical music and popular music The relationship (particularly, the relative value) of classical music and popular music is a controversial question. Some partisans of classical music may claim that classical music constitutes art and popular music only light entertainment. However, many popular works show a high level of artistry and musical innovation and many classical works are unabashedly crowd-pleasing. The elevation of classical music to a position of special value is closely connected to the concept of a Western canon, and to theories of educational perennialism. The very distinction between classical and popular music is blurred in the border regions, for instance minimalist music and light classics, and are disregarded as art music. In this respect music is like fiction, which likewise draws a distinction between classics and popular fiction that is not always easy to maintain. "Neat divisions between 'folk' and 'popular', and 'popular' and 'art', are impossible to find... arbitrary criteria [is used] to define the complement of 'popular'. 'Art' music, for example, is generally regarded as by nature complex, difficult, demanding; 'popular' music then has to be defined as 'simple', 'accessible', 'facile'. But many pieces commonly thought of as 'art' (Handel's 'Hallelujah Chorus', many Schubert songs, many Verdi arias) have qualities of simplicity; conversely, it is by no means obvious that the Sex Pistols' records were 'accessible', (trashy?) Frank Zappa's work 'simple', (Frank Zappa is considered by many a serious composer) or Billie Holiday's 'facile'." (light?) (Middleton, 1990) [edit] Complexity It might be argued that, at least on the average, classical works have greater musical complexity than popular music. For instance, classical music is distinguished by its heavy use of development, and usually involves more modulation (changing of keys), less outright repetition, and a wider use of musical phrases that are not default length--that is, four or eight bars long (however, much minimalist music goes against these tendencies, thus are considered by many non-serious music). This is not to say that popular music is definitively or always simpler than classical. The "default length" of phrases which classical music supposedly deviates from were set as the default by music of the common practice period. Jazz, rap and many forms of technical metal, for instance, make use of rhythms more complex than would appear in the average common practice work, and popular music sometimes uses certain complex chords that would be quite unusual in a common practice piece. Popular music also uses certain features of rhythm and pitch inflection not analyzable by the traditional methods applied to common practice music. One may argue that it is normally only in classical music that very long works (30 minutes to three hours) are built up hierarchically from smaller units (phrases, periods, sections, and movements). Structural levels are distinguished by Schenkerian analysis. Fred Lerdahl (1992), for example, claims that popular music lacks the structural complexity for multiple structural layers, and thus much depth. However, Lerdahl's theories explicitly exclude "associational" details which are used to help articulate form in popular music, while Allen Forte's book The American Popular Ballad of the Golden Era 1924-1950 analyses popular music with traditional Schenkerian techniques. (Middleton 1999, p.144) Bach had many contempories whose music was mediocre at best, and today their music is forgotten, surviving perhaps in libraries. The repertoire of classical music is skewed toward works recognized as excellent by listeners over long periods of time. It follows that genres of popular music that have existed for a long time might also produce works that show staying power. For instance, the work of Scott Joplin, a popular musician of about a century ago, continues to be played--often, curiously enough, by classical musicians. The advent of high fidelity audio recordings in the 1950s meant that the actual performances of popular musicians could be preserved forever, and this has raised the possibility that certain works popular music will achieve permanent status in their original recorded form. [edit] Influences between classical and popular music This section is a stub. You can help by adding to it. Works of classical music sometimes achieve a sudden, hard to explain popularity, and thus take on the temporary status of popular music; for details, see crossover. Moreover, many popular songs over the years have made use of themes and melodies from well-known classical pieces; for a list of examples see List of popular songs based on classical music. Songwriters such as Paul Simon have used classical techniques such as, during his early solo career in the 1970s, the full chromatic (Everett 1997). [edit] See also Music radio Popular culture [edit] Sources Middleton, Richard (1990/2002). Studying Popular Music. Philadelphia: Open University Press. ISBN 0335152759. Bennett (1980). Birrer, Frans A. J. (1985). "Definitions and research orientation: do we need a definition of popular music?" in D. Horn, ed., Popular Music Perspectives, 2 (Gothenburge, Exeter, Ottawa and Reggio Emilia), p.99-106. Hall, S. (1978). "Popular culture, politics, and history", in Popular Culture Bulletin, 3, Open University duplicated paper. Everett, Walter (1997). "Swallowed by a Song: Paul Simon's Crisis of Chromaticism", Understanding Rock: Essays in Musical Analysis. New York: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0195100042. Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_music"
June 16, 200619 yr Well i go with the encyclopedias rather taking any personal view, think thats the best way or people will be arguing for ever!!! Actually we're arguing against you (and Wiki), so your kind of contradicting yourself there. I'm not changing my opinion because Wikipedia say Bon Jovi are metal.
June 16, 200619 yr it's metal.. I'll grant you pop-metal if you insist but to just say it's pop is false!
June 16, 200619 yr Bon Jovi are NOT metal, go into any record shop that has a Metal/Alternative/Nu Metal/Punk section, and you will NOT find Bon Jovi, or Aerosmith come to that, but they do have a harder rep than BJ that's for damn sure... Where you will find them though is in the Rock/Pop section..... Sorry, but as far as I'm concerned a thread on Bon Jovi would be about as welcome in the metal section as a fart in a spacesuit.....
June 16, 200619 yr Sorry, but as far as I'm concerned a thread on Bon Jovi would be about as welcome in the metal section as a fart in a spacesuit..... I'd delete it as soon as i saw it ^_^
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