Not that how they are dressed is all that important anyway.

 

It wouldn't be all-important for a rock or a metal band, no, but a Pop Group, which is more about style and presentation over substance (which is the opposite for Rock/Metal IMO, but not in all cases obviously...), that's not necessarily a criticism by the way, but I rather think it does matter how they dress themselves.... Or at least, is every bit as important.... Why else would the likes of Madonna, Ga Ga or Britney tend to be extremely careful in how they cultivate their images...?

 

Una and Vanessa's clothing in that pic is rather dodgy i suppose but other than that, i cant see anything wrong with what the other three are wearing.

IMHO The Sats are at present better dressed than the Sugababes and Girls Aloud (certainly GA) were when they started out. Not that how they are dressed is all that important anyway.

 

The thing is that The Sats are well more efficiently managed than SB and GA at their very begining.

GA had no manager for over one year (Louis Walsh letting them down, thanks god for that though), so they had no media training at all, they often had to put their own clothes on for TV performances and stuff, and they were managing their diary themselves.

I don't know much about SB at their begining, but I guess it was kinda the same, they hadn't a big management team behind them, and they hadn't big money put on them neither.

 

The Saturdays have a huge management machine behind them, with lots of money involved to make it work, they have done quite no mistake so far thanks to the people managing them, and although they look more stylish than the two other girl bands at their begining, it's quite understandable considering the team & money behind them.

Grimly, can you just go away? I havent even bothered to read any of your past 5 posts, its just so repetative and boring. Do you really need to comment on everything someone says and have a comeback for everything positive posted about The Sats? Its just so sad in a way, shove off - i dont think many people want to have to trawl through your rants to get to information about the girls really.

Grimly, can you just go away? I havent even bothered to read any of your past 5 posts, its just so repetative and boring. Do you really need to comment on everything someone says and have a comeback for everything positive posted about The Sats? Its just so sad in a way, shove off - i dont think many people want to have to trawl through your rants to get to information about the girls really.

Be careful, GRIMLY will surely come back and rant again. :D

He might have to make an anti-Saturdays thread somewhere. :lol:

Edited February 7, 200916 yr by funmaker11

Grimly, can you just go away? I havent even bothered to read any of your past 5 posts, its just so repetative and boring. Do you really need to comment on everything someone says and have a comeback for everything positive posted about The Sats? Its just so sad in a way, shove off - i dont think many people want to have to trawl through your rants to get to information about the girls really.

 

You know I could sit here and write a long speech, but frankly, you aint worthy of my prose.....

 

You're an idiot.... YOU 'shove off'.....

 

The thing is that The Sats are well more efficiently managed than SB and GA at their very begining.

GA had no manager for over one year (Louis Walsh letting them down, thanks god for that though), so they had no media training at all, they often had to put their own clothes on for TV performances and stuff, and they were managing their diary themselves.

I don't know much about SB at their begining, but I guess it was kinda the same, they hadn't a big management team behind them, and they hadn't big money put on them neither.

 

The Saturdays have a huge management machine behind them, with lots of money involved to make it work, they have done quite no mistake so far thanks to the people managing them, and although they look more stylish than the two other girl bands at their begining, it's quite understandable considering the team & money behind them.

 

I wont say you're wrong in anything you posted here....

 

BUT, is it not actually a tad depressing that we sit here and talk of "efficiency" and (media) "training" as if we're talking about something in a production line.....? I'd rather Pop or Rock stars just be themselves tbh, without all the "training", isn't it FAR more entertaining to see something like Sex Pistols on Bill Grundy or Sean Ryder on a chatshow without all the spin and careful media "grooming".... Personally, I think it is.....

 

You know I could sit here and write a long speech, but frankly, you aint worthy of my prose.....

 

You're an idiot.... YOU 'shove off'.....

 

 

Damn well said, Scott

Come on guys, let's play nice and not resprt to personal insults. ;)

 

As a side note, re: coolnav's point about looking for information on The Saturdays in this topic... they do have their own forum where you can get this, this is a more public topic about them where I say it's fair for lovers and haters to express their opinions openly and freely...

Nope, because unlike you i have something to say about The Saturdays that most people in this post want to hear about - im a fan so can contribute to this post with news and information unlike you who just posts attacking people for liking the idea, cover or The Sats in general (and no doubt the song once its premiered on Monday). I'm not scared of you and your essay long rants, i'm going to keep on posting in here and mostly keep off the forums i dont like - something you can't seem to do yourself as you have been inside any The Saturdays thread (outside their forum) for the best part of 6 months 'preaching' about how awful and bad they are.

I do get you Silver, but i mean should'nt this be re-named 'Is it a good idea for The Saturdays to do the Comic Relief single' or something along those lines.

I do suppose im over-reacting a little but it just gets rather tedious when everytime i come here to post or look at something i have to get through endless rants about 'how bad it is for british music to have The Sats' and how much 'they look like slags' on the cover, NOT about Comic Relief.

Edited February 7, 200916 yr by coolnav

I do get you Silver, but i mean should'nt this be re-named 'Is it a good idea for The Saturdays to do the Comic Relief single' or something along those lines.

I do suppose im over-reacting a little but it just gets rather tedious when everytime i come here to post or look at something i have to get through endless rants about 'how bad it is for british music to have The Sats' and how much 'they look like slags' on the cover, NOT about Comic Relief.

 

you've totally misconstrued the whole idea of a public message forum like Buzzjack - if you want fawning, toe-curling bum-licking - go to their Optional Forum (and quite why these bunch of no-hopers even have a forum of their own on here disgusts me to be honest).

 

If you want to discuss the song, band or reasonings behind the single - good, bad or indifferent, then this is the thread to do it.

 

Quite why you're getting so het up and distressed is beyond me - they're just a pop band - do they change your life? Are you related to the one who looks like a man?.... After two pretty appalling singles (and one ok one - Up) and a very underwhelming album, are they your "Favourite New Girlband"? Who you feel the need to defend their, err... honour?

 

The Saturdays - charity shop bargain bin fodder within a year, a band who you'll be utterly mortified are (dis)gracing your CD racks in probably less time.

HAHA, there you go attacking someone who actually likes the band - just because they're not Oasis, Madonna or Iron Maidon there seen as bad.

They produce good, chart songs and good album tracks. I LIKE THEM and that wont change so stop trying to patronise me.

 

I do get your point about it being a public forum, go ahead and try to intimidate their fans with your past pop facts and your 'experience' - it is'nt going to change anyones opinion. The only thing that can do that is the music itself.

 

Dont preach, just put your own opinion forward. Quotes like this ; 'a band who you'll be utterly mortified are (dis)gracing your CD racks in probably less time' are stupid and pointless.

I do get your point about it being a public forum, go ahead and try to intimidate their fans with your past pop facts and your 'experience' - it is'nt going to change anyones opinion. The only thing that can do that is the music itself.

 

once again, the whole point of this thread sadly appears to have floated above your little head..... expressed opinions are just that - a viewpoint from a different angle from someone who may or may not tally with your viewpoint. Why on earth would I want to try to change anyone's opinion? You're crazily way off the mark.

 

As for The Saturdays not being Oasis, Madonna or Iron Maiden... err... what on earth are you talking about? However, like them or loathe them, these 3 acts have all proved their worth in the musical arena.... The Saturdays simply haven't. And judging by their appalling start, I can't see them doing so.

Could that be to do with the fact The Saturdays have been publicly around for less than 7 months? The others i mentioned above have had years and years of time to perfect their craft.

Give them a chance, they could produce a really great single that raises heap loads of money thats all im saying. They are good, they are what Comic Relief needs they are what pop music needs and they sell bucket loads of singles.

Could that be to do with the fact The Saturdays have been publicly around for less than 7 months? The others i mentioned above have had years and years of time to perfect their craft.

Give them a chance, they could produce a really great single that raises heap loads of money thats all im saying. They are good, they are what Comic Relief needs they are what pop music needs and they sell bucket loads of singles.

Sats haven't perfect their craft imo. :D

Could that be to do with the fact The Saturdays have been publicly around for less than 7 months? The others i mentioned above have had years and years of time to perfect their craft.

Give them a chance, they could produce a really great single that raises heap loads of money thats all im saying. They are good, they are what Comic Relief needs they are what pop music needs and they sell bucket loads of singles.

 

If you think that, good for you. At the end of the day it is irrelevent what the likes of Grimly, russt, myself thinks as it is irrelevent what the likes of Jark, funmaker, Bert, etc thinks.

 

If you like the music, then you you like the music and good for you because that is what popular music is all about = a wide diversity of tastes & sounds making up the charts.

 

However for thirtysomething cynics & music critics they were a 5 piece cynically put together via auditions by the management team responsible for inflicting Busted & McFly on the UK music scene with the assistance of a relatively huge marketing budget by Polydor's pop offshoot label Fascination, in an attempt to capitalize on a potential gap in the market for a new UK girl group where The Sugababes appear to be in decline post Mutya leaving; and seemingly different monthly rumours regarding Girls Aloud splitting up.

Why are we here again?

This argument just seems to go around and around in a circle.

If we'd have listened and believed what these "thirtysomething cynics" were talking about then you'd assume The Saturdays would be long gone by now.

It doesn't matter how people get into the music industry now. All this talk about how bad it is them being manufactured and auditioned etc is crap and you know it.

Kelly Clarkson, Will Young & Leona Lewis are three of the most successful artists to be PUBLICLY manufactured and they don't get half the sh!t The Saturdays do.

Let's remember, The Saturdays are a pop act. In the pop world, you are as good as your last single. Kylie & Madonna are perfect examples of how fanbases can't really help you anymore.

Singles charting at 7, 5 & 4 and a top 10 album clearly shows that they are making good pop music and people do actually like them.

Also, they were approached by Comic Relief to do the single, this again proves that they are popular and are proving to be a hit.

I don't see why it's such a bad thing that a record company wanted to fill the gap in the market, the market is quite very clearly there.

They sing live, play instruments and are writing on their second album. I think that's very respectable.

And how anyone can say that having every release reach the top 10 is "appalling" is quite frankly ignorantly jaded.

Kelly Clarkson, Will Young & Leona Lewis are three of the most successful artists to be PUBLICLY manufactured and they don't get half the sh!t The Saturdays do.

I have to step in here as the "obsessive fan" :heehee:

Tbf on Kellys behalf, She takes control over a LOT of her image/her songs etc.. A lot more than most artists do anyway.. And also tbf the people you mentioned are all Reality TV Talent Show winners so its not really surprising that they have been manufactured to go a certain way... So, no offence or anything but, i wouldnt really count them as good examples....

Edited February 8, 200916 yr by Joao.

The Saturdays simply exist to make money for record company execs; they are ultimately the dregs of the music scene. All they churn out are covers or cheap generic songs given a modern beat. Produced on a shoestring and packaged neatly up for the current crop of unsuspecting teens for maximum profitability. The definition of manufactured drivel for the musically uneducated. Sometimes the results are pleasant enough in passing, but ultimately readily disposable.

 

Will Young and Leona Lewis possess outstanding vocal ability; an art form in itself so already have something of discernable value compared to the casting call drones.

I have to step in here as the "obsessive fan" :heehee:

Tbf on Kellys behalf, She takes control over a LOT of her image/her songs etc.. A lot more than most artists do anyway.. And also tbf the people you mentioned are all Reality TV Talent Show winners so its not really surprising that they have been manufactured to go a certain way... So, no offence or anything but, i wouldnt really count them as good examples....

 

I was using them as examples to show that you can still be counted as a credible artist even though you were manufactured.

I chose them because they were manufactured in the public eye, hence reality show winners. The Saturdays were put together out of view.

Most people are manufactured to go a certain way, not just reality TV winners.

And, no offence, but what you said about Kelly isn't necessarily true. She HAD a lot of control over her songs/image etc... now she has a little say.