the quality of their material, which still needs to improve to secure a future. tbh i still dont expect them to be around long.

 

It needs to "improve" 1000% if you ask me..... :rolleyes: As in, the equivalent of Madonna going from "Lucky Star" to "Like A Prayer"..... Will it happen....? ONLY if they do what she did, and take control of their own destinies and stop being told what to do by the old men in their management and record company, and that would tend to mean writing their own material.... Let's face it, just what does "Just Cant Get Enough" or that bloody Yazoo sample actually mean to a bunch of teenage girls.....? They weren't even BORN when these songs were out, and I'd be willing to bet the first time they'd heard them was when their management and producers dreamt up the idea of using them.....

 

And, I just find something about doing 80s covers a bit fukkin' tacky now, because SO BLOODY MANY people are doing it or have done it, it was bad enough when it was the likes of Marilyn Manson and Nine Inch Nails doing it, but at least they had enough quality in their own material to make you forget....It's just SOOOOOOOO 2002/2003 mate..... :rolleyes:

 

And Adam, I hear what you're saying, and you make a good argument, but I just dunno what anyone with an obvious taste in music can see in something like The Sats, at least at this stage in their career at any case...... The likes of The Prodigy are a good "fun" band as well if you want to cheer yourself up.... I've always found stuff like "Firestarter" absolutely great for bouncing along to..... :D

 

Can you not just accept that some people are going to like this variety of pop music?! I listen to some more credible music too, I like lyrics to be good and I like the artists I listen to to write themselves, but it doesn't mean you CAN'T enjoy something more manufactured.

 

Sometimes you can just listen to something because you like it, and forget its back story. Let the bloody fans be!

Can you not just accept that some people are going to like this variety of pop music?! I listen to some more credible music too, I like lyrics to be good and I like the artists I listen to to write themselves, but it doesn't mean you CAN'T enjoy something more manufactured.

 

Sometimes you can just listen to something because you like it, and forget its back story. Let the bloody fans be!

Yeah, like me. It doesn't matter what genre was that. :lol:

Can you not just accept that some people are going to like this variety of pop music?! I listen to some more credible music too, I like lyrics to be good and I like the artists I listen to to write themselves, but it doesn't mean you CAN'T enjoy something more manufactured.

 

The lyrics to "firestarter" could've been written by a 10-year old mate, they're totally dumb and dont really mean anything if you were to sit down and analyze them..... :lol: So, it's not as if I DONT like stuff that's a bit more light and good dumb fun merely for the sake of it..... But I'm afraid the whole notion of "manufacturing" music is just one so thoroughly offensive to me.... Music is NOT a car or a widget to me..... The Prodigy have always been good, dumb fun, but NEVER have they been manufactured or controlled by a bunch of suits....

 

I think part of it is down to what you grew up with... I was lucky enough to grow up with Human League, Frankie Goes to Hollywood, Adam and the Ants, Depeche Mode, Gary Numan, David Bowie (Ashes to Ashes, etc) Blondie, Cyndi Lauper and Madonna..... Which is probably why I have absolutely no tolerance for the likes of The Saturdays.....

Yeah, like me. It doesn't matter what genre was that. :lol:

 

Who's talking about genres...? I'm talking about quality mate.... I mean, yeah, there's plenty of sh!t masquerading as "Metal" and "Alternative" who are just as bad (the likes of Fall Out Boy and Good Charlotte are surely every bit as "manufactured" as The Saturdays)...... And, well, fukkin' COLDPLAY as well, whom I regard as just about the most worthless, fake-ass sacks of sh!t out there...... :rolleyes:

The lyrics to "firestarter" could've been written by a 10-year old mate, they're totally dumb and dont really mean anything if you were to sit down and analyze them..... :lol: So, it's not as if I DONT like stuff that's a bit more light and good dumb fun merely for the sake of it..... But I'm afraid the whole notion of "manufacturing" music is just one so thoroughly offensive to me.... Music is NOT a car or a widget to me..... The Prodigy have always been good, dumb fun, but NEVER have they been manufactured or controlled by a bunch of suits....

 

I think part of it is down to what you grew up with... I was lucky enough to grow up with Human League, Frankie Goes to Hollywood, Adam and the Ants, Depeche Mode, Gary Numan, David Bowie (Ashes to Ashes, etc) Blondie, Cyndi Lauper and Madonna..... Which is probably why I have absolutely no tolerance for the likes of The Saturdays.....

I think that perhaps, for the first time in recent memory, we agree :P It's entirely cultural. I just don't think people should be criticized for enjoying the Sats when it's not as if they don't appreciate other more 'credible' music too...

 

I also don't see any difference whatsoever in enjoying the Sats and enjoying Girls Aloud, and yet nobody is ripped into for liking GA (who have inferior vocals and also write next-to-nothing)! Still, that's for another time...

Who's talking about genres...? I'm talking about quality mate.... I mean, yeah, there's plenty of sh!t masquerading as "Metal" and "Alternative" who are just as bad (the likes of Fall Out Boy and Good Charlotte are surely every bit as "manufactured" as The Saturdays)...... And, well, fukkin' COLDPLAY as well, whom I regard as just about the most worthless, fake-ass sacks of sh!t out there...... :rolleyes:

Quality and fun in each genre. :lol:

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It needs to "improve" 1000% if you ask me..... :rolleyes: As in, the equivalent of Madonna going from "Lucky Star" to "Like A Prayer"..... Will it happen....?

 

it took madge 5 years to do that....

 

sometimes m8, i think you are just bored and over argue tepid points over manufactured pop.

 

like it or not, it exists, and always has! motown was the first big music production line... yet it never gets slated for it. the monkees were manufactured, yet they dont get slated for it.

 

im broadly against manufactured music BUT it exists and some cant be good.

Different musical acts cover different parts of musical satisfaction.

 

My absolute favourites, John Mayer and Jason Mraz have been producing, performing and writing their own credible music for years. Mayer is regarded as one of the greatest modern guitarists, while Mraz has always been applauded for his wordplay and for being a fantastic lyricist.

 

Both have some tunes that make me smile, but I would never put them on if I wanted something to just cheer me up, something I could have fun to.

 

In the same way that I enjoy listening to Booty Luv before I go for a night out, the Saturdays appeal to another part of music I enjoy. Good fun, pure pop music. I don't pretend that anyone in either of these two outfits are musical geniuses. However, there are those within both groups who are immensely talented vocalists. It's quite clear, in my opinion, that most of the Saturdays are better vocalists than 80% of the Spice Girls and 60% of Girls Aloud.

 

When I talk about potential, talent and promise, I don't mean to ever join the Music Hall of Fame and go down as Britain's great musicians, I mean to be one of our best girlgroups, and one of the best outfits out there producing pop music.

 

Different musical acts tick different musical boxes for me. I listen to Jamie T for a different reason than I listen to Maximo Park, for a different reason than I listen to the Saturdays. But all for GOOD reason.

 

well said adam.... post of the thread.

 

like it or not, it exists, and always has! motown was the first big music production line... yet it never gets slated for it. the monkees were manufactured, yet they dont get slated for it.

 

im broadly against manufactured music BUT it exists and some cant be good.

 

Motown stuff was good quality though, it didn't sound as if it was just thrown together on a Mac in about five minutes and written on a napkin mate.... BIG difference..... The likes of Berry Gordy and Phil Spector were completely and 100% passionate about the music and they chose their protiges extremely well..... I dont believe the same can really be said for the corporate hacks who run The Saturdays and the like, they just dont care about anything except their profit margins..... If The Sats had a Spector or a Gordy producing them, their music would be fantastic, that's the bottom line mate....

I also don't see any difference whatsoever in enjoying the Sats and enjoying Girls Aloud, and yet nobody is ripped into for liking GA (who have inferior vocals and also write next-to-nothing)! Still, that's for another time...

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Personally, I only really like the (very) odd GA track.... I only like "Sexy No No" really cos it sounds like a cross between Rammstein and Garbage...... :lol: If they did a whole album of that, I'd give it a download......

 

Motown stuff was good quality though, it didn't sound as if it was just thrown together on a Mac in about five minutes and written on a napkin mate.... BIG difference..... The likes of Berry Gordy and Phil Spector were completely and 100% passionate about the music and they chose their protiges extremely well..... I dont believe the same can really be said for the corporate hacks who run The Saturdays and the like, they just dont care about anything except their profit margins..... If The Sats had a Spector or a Gordy producing them, their music would be fantastic, that's the bottom line mate....

 

i bet gordy would have used the technology if it was around in them days.... and dont forget, behind the romantic image of men creating music as a passion...there was a shrewd businessman out to make money.

Personally, I only really like the (very) odd GA track.... I only like "Sexy No No No" really cos it sounds like a cross between Rammstein and Garbage...... :lol: If they did a whole album of that, I'd give it a download......

I'd like that to happen. :lol:

i bet gordy would have used the technology if it was around in them days.... and dont forget, behind the romantic image of men creating music as a passion...there was a shrewd businessman out to make money.

 

Yes, maybe, but nowadays you dont even have the romantic image of the guys creating the music, it's all just about the money and absolutely NOTHING to do with music.... I've never begrudged people making money out of music, but boring, stale, lifeless, passionless music is just beyond the criminal and utterly unforgivable in my book.....

 

Gordy and Spector would've probably done far more interesting things if they'd had the technology that exists today and experimented with it to make it sound even better.... They made the absolute MOST of what was available at the time back in the 60s, when everyone else was just sticking to the "tried and tested" techniques... The "Wall of Sound" was a fantastic production technique, but he had to experiment in the first place to achieve that sound....

 

Which is why Gordy and Spector are regarded as pioneers, because they did take things further, pushed things to the limit.... Everyone just plays it safe now.... And it's boring....

 

Another fukkin' 80s cover version.....BORING..... I'd rather have a Peter Kay/Geraldine McQueen p!ss-take record tbh, which surely is more appropriate seeing as how it's COMIC RELIEF.... :rolleyes:

Yes, maybe, but nowadays you dont even have the romantic image of the guys creating the music, it's all just about the money and absolutely NOTHING to do with music.... I've never begrudged people making money out of music, but boring, stale, lifeless, passionless music is just beyond the criminal and utterly unforgivable in my book.....

 

Gordy and Spector would've probably done far more interesting things if they'd had the technology that exists today and experimented with it to make it sound even better.... They made the absolute MOST of what was available at the time back in the 60s, when everyone else was just sticking to the "tried and tested" techniques... The "Wall of Sound" was a fantastic production technique, but he had to experiment in the first place to achieve that sound....

 

Which is why Gordy and Spector are regarded as pioneers, because they did take things further, pushed things to the limit.... Everyone just plays it safe now.... And it's boring....

 

Another fukkin' 80s cover version.....BORING..... I'd rather have a Peter Kay/Geraldine McQueen p!ss-take record tbh, which surely is more appropriate seeing as how it's COMIC RELIEF.... :rolleyes:

 

but the 60's were a time for pioneering, theres nothing left now too discover...

 

anyway, i never liked 'just cant get enough' and i doubt ill like this version.

but the 60's were a time for pioneering, theres nothing left now too discover...

 

anyway, i never liked 'just cant get enough' and i doubt ill like this version.

 

So, what does that say for the future of popular culture then mate....? I'm not so sure that there aren't new things to pioneer, it just takes a bit of imagination and courage I reckon; but it does need to be "grass roots", like Punk, like Goth, like Rave, etc, the fukkin' suits that inflict the likes of The Saturdays and X-Factor on us need to be resisted by the youth....

 

I'll freely admit that JCGE wasn't a particularly good record, and Depeche Mode themselves have progressed so far beyond it as artists, which is why I'm all the more baffled as to why anyone would want to resurrect it..... But like TiP pointed out, it's one of Vince bloody Clarke's songs..... :rolleyes:

So, what does that say for the future of popular culture then mate....? I'm not so sure that there aren't new things to pioneer, it just takes a bit of imagination and courage I reckon; but it does need to be "grass roots", like Punk, like Goth, like Rave, etc, the fukkin' suits that inflict the likes of The Saturdays and X-Factor on us need to be resisted by the youth....

 

I'll freely admit that JCGE wasn't a particularly good record, and Depeche Mode themselves have progressed so far beyond it as artists, which is why I'm all the more baffled as to why anyone would want to resurrect it..... But like TiP pointed out, it's one of Vince bloody Clarke's songs..... :rolleyes:

But please, respect the youths even if you're old now... :lol:

You can bash about X-Factor...not :lol:

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It needs to "improve" 1000% if you ask me..... :rolleyes: As in, the equivalent of Madonna going from "Lucky Star" to "Like A Prayer"..... Will it happen....? ONLY if they do what she did, and take control of their own destinies and stop being told what to do by the old men in their management and record company, and that would tend to mean writing their own material.... Let's face it, just what does "Just Cant Get Enough" or that bloody Yazoo sample actually mean to a bunch of teenage girls.....? They weren't even BORN when these songs were out, and I'd be willing to bet the first time they'd heard them was when their management and producers dreamt up the idea of using them.....

 

And, I just find something about doing 80s covers a bit fukkin' tacky now, because SO BLOODY MANY people are doing it or have done it, it was bad enough when it was the likes of Marilyn Manson and Nine Inch Nails doing it, but at least they had enough quality in their own material to make you forget....It's just SOOOOOOOO 2002/2003 mate..... :rolleyes:

 

And Adam, I hear what you're saying, and you make a good argument, but I just dunno what anyone with an obvious taste in music can see in something like The Sats, at least at this stage in their career at any case...... The likes of The Prodigy are a good "fun" band as well if you want to cheer yourself up.... I've always found stuff like "Firestarter" absolutely great for bouncing along to..... :D

 

well I dont know how old are u, but it looks like u have borned in 70's so u have grown up will all those HOT acts of 80's and I understand that is hard for u to accept 00's...but still here are a lot of people who are 20 years younger then you and of course they choose to be fans of this decade artists and Im sure they cannot listen to Human League or Depeche Mode.

 

well I dont know how old are u, but it looks like u have borned in 70's so u have grown up will all those HOT acts of 80's and I understand that is hard for u to accept 00's...but still here are a lot of people who are 20 years younger then you and of course they choose to be fans of this decade artists and Im sure they cannot listen to Human League or Depeche Mode.

Go Addy! :cheer:

So, what does that say for the future of popular culture then mate....? I'm not so sure that there aren't new things to pioneer, it just takes a bit of imagination and courage I reckon; but it does need to be "grass roots", like Punk, like Goth, like Rave, etc, the fukkin' suits that inflict the likes of The Saturdays and X-Factor on us need to be resisted by the youth....

 

I'll freely admit that JCGE wasn't a particularly good record, and Depeche Mode themselves have progressed so far beyond it as artists, which is why I'm all the more baffled as to why anyone would want to resurrect it..... But like TiP pointed out, it's one of Vince bloody Clarke's songs..... :rolleyes:

 

nah.... its all been done, all thats left IS generic ressurecting of old ideas.

 

what you are conveiniantly overlooking is the fact that there has ALWAYS been 'pop' pop, ok it wasnt called the x factor, but ever since the 60's if not before, there have always been the 3 minute no brainer that doesnt break new ground, that is pure nonsense, that does appeal to those of society that dont always want 'deep'. neil reed (a kid) topped the charts in 72 with 'mother of mine', off a tv talent show.... is the saturdays really any worse then 'leiutenant pigeon'? or the new seekers? bucks fizz or the belle stars? .... but your too 'cool' to admit to allowing them to exist <_< .

 

 

well I dont know how old are u, but it looks like u have borned in 70's so u have grown up will all those HOT acts of 80's and I understand that is hard for u to accept 00's...but still here are a lot of people who are 20 years younger then you and of course they choose to be fans of this decade artists and Im sure they cannot listen to Human League or Depeche Mode.

 

that makes no sense.... and isnt what scott is actually saying.