PS. I lost two Grand parents from Cancer & two of my Uncles have died from this disease and another is also on the way out from it.

That's very sad for you, but I don't see how that is meant so strengthen your argument, which you so clearly intended. Put simply, how does what Jade Goody is doing actually AFFECT you? Is it really that hard just to avoid most of what's written about her in papers and such? I don't see how on earth it's "disrespectful" or whatever to other cancer sufferers.

 

I wonder how reliable this is.

Don't worry, it probably isn't, so I'm sure her death which you're so pathetically excited about will come soon enough.

This whole thing is quite clearly not a hoax, for no other reason that Max Clifford wouldn't be stupid enough to attempt it... I think it's safe to say a few people would notice if the woman didn't die.

That's very sad for you, but I don't see how that is meant so strengthen your argument, which you so clearly intended. Put simply, how does what Jade Goody is doing actually AFFECT you? Is it really that hard just to avoid most of what's written about her in papers and such? I don't see how on earth it's "disrespectful" or whatever to other cancer sufferers.

 

Simple the whole sham is an insult to my intelligence, it is an insult to anyone who has suffered from this terrible disease that she has not used this publicity to raise funds for Cancer Research instead of feathering her own nest via a totally tacky display. But in dumbed down Great Britain we regard the racist bullies as heroes and ridicule intelligent people what do you expect.

 

Why do we love Jade Goody and vilify a University Challenge brainbox for being bright?

Daily Mail.co.uk By Harry Mount

Last updated at 12:56 PM on 24th February 2009

 

Two different women hit the headlines this weekend. Jade Goody, who made a fortune from her ignorance, and Gail Trimble, the University Challenge genius vilified for being so intelligent. How have our values become so distorted?

 

Back in 1980, Fred Housego, the London cabbie with one O-level, won Mastermind in a glittering performance which captivated the nation. With his mastery of specialist subjects such as Henry II, Westminster Abbey and the Tower of London, he became a media darling.

He got his own radio show, spoke at Oxford and Cambridge University, and appeared on This Is Your Life.

 

Almost 30 years on, the qualifications to become one of Britain's heroes have changed a little. The nation is now captivated by the impending death of a young woman famous only for being famous, and her wedding to a violent ex-con.

Jade Goody has been given £1million for exclusive photographs of the ceremony and has had her £315,000 wedding paid for by well-wishers. Complete strangers have wept for her and queued to bring presents to the doors of the gated estate where she exchanged vows.

 

Meanwhile, today's Fred Housego - Gail Trimble, the girl with the planet-sized brain who scored 825 of the 1,235 points amassed by Corpus Christi, Oxford, on the road to last night's final of University Challenge, which they won - has become the new public pariah.

Across the country, bitter bloggers have sniped at a woman who knows about everything from Rudyard Kipling to Kazakhstan banknotes, from Homer to human genetics.

'Smug', 'brain-rupturingly irritating', 'vicious bitch', 'a horse-toothed snob'. . . With every insult there emerges a new member of the growing ranks of a nasty, insecure tribe who need to be comforted in their own dumbness, rather than impressed by another's brilliance.

 

Jade Goody's story is undeniably a tragic and gripping one; but how extraordinarily inverted our values have become when she is treated like some modern-day Joan of Arc staring death in the face, while another young woman has bile poured upon her for the wicked sin of intelligence.

 

I have nothing against Jade Goody: it would be odd to feel anything other than sympathy for any mother dying so young. But that doesn't take away from the fact that she has achieved little of lasting merit in her short life.

 

That shortcoming is, in fact, exactly what she has been celebrated for. The reason why she became so famous is precisely because, unlike Miss Trimble, she knows so little.

 

The country ridiculed her in 2002 when she said on Big Brother that Cambridge was in London, called East Anglia 'East Angular' and thought it was a foreign country. But how they took her to their heart, queueing to buy her perfume and her two autobiographies.

 

You can see how much easier it is to take Jade Goody for your role model ahead of Gail Trimble. If you know nothing, and see someone getting rich and famous precisely for that reason, you are instantly validated. You, too, could become the next poster girl for ignorance.

How comforting, too, if the moment an awesomely intelligent woman does come along, you're allowed to attack her for being smug and snobbish.

That snobbish insult is particularly depressing. To associate intelligence with class, and damn them both, is a wicked injustice and itself a piece of inverted snobbery. That Gail Trimble was privately educated (at Lady Eleanor Holles school in South-West London) should be neither here nor there when it comes to praising her considerable achievement.

 

The same goes for Fred Housego, who got that one O-level in British constitutional history at Kynaston Comprehensive in Westminster.

 

You can hardly blame Jade Goody for taking the money from her worshippers - particularly in the brief period since her terminal cancer was diagnosed and she has had to ensure a nest egg for her children.

 

But you can still weep for a culture that celebrates such empty achievement - particularly when it is wrapped in the titillating black fringe of death, which allows people to disguise their mawkish fascination with a thin veneer of sympathy.

 

It's one thing to wallow in the shallows of celebrity culture. But the attacks on poor Gail Trimble show that it's not enough to praise stupidity; intelligence must be attacked, too.

It's striking how the people who've laid into her treat her like some hideous freak - 'I get the feeling that she may well celebrate alone,' said one contributor to an online debate - when, in fact, she is a pretty, well-dressed, popular woman. The haters need to assure themselves that vacuousness is the norm; that the really odd, unattractive thing is to be intelligent.

 

Miss Trimble is clearly not only highly intelligent, with her straight As in GCSE and A-level and her first-class degree in Classics, but she also has all the attributes of the broad, deep education that used to make good British schools the envy of the world.

When she appeared on University Challenge, she didn't just know the answers to academic questions about Latin, Maths, Greek and Shakespeare - subjects she studied for her A-levels and at university.

She also knew about the children's books that don't crop up on university syllabuses, but used to form the staple diet of the young British schoolgirl. She gave correct answers to questions on Hilaire Belloc's Cautionary Tales For Children, and Rudyard Kipling's Puck Of Pook's Hill, his children's history book.

 

Half a century ago, before that broad, deep British education system was narrowed and shallowed by Labour and Tory governments, by patronising teaching unions, and by dumbing down in the name of equality, Miss Trimble certainly wouldn't have been hated.

She also wouldn't have been that remarkable. As she has said herself, if you grow up interested in things, read a bit and are aware of what's going on in the world, then you end up with a lot of general knowledge.

You used to be able to take a taste for reading and an interest in the outside world for granted in the average Briton. Now you're considered a Nobel Prize-winning freak if you know the first few elements in the periodic table, or can remember a line of Macbeth.

 

The urge for self-improvement and respect for the intelligent used to be built into British life, from Fred Housego's triumph back to the days when the university-educated schoolmaster and vicar were the most admired figures in Welsh mining villages and Lancashire mill towns.

 

In 1960, a university professor earned as much as a Liverpool footballer. If Gail Trimble, now studying for a doctorate in Latin literature, becomes a professor, she is unlikely to earn in a lifetime what a Premier League footballer gets paid in a single season - or, indeed, what Jade Goody earned over the course of the weekend.

 

You don't have to be a brainbox to work out why, these days, far too many children grow up thinking that intelligence is for dummies.

 

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Clearly you & other Jade apologists & sychophants who can't see the woods from the trees when it is staring you in the face are part of the growing ranks of a nasty, insecure tribe who need to be comforted in their own dumbness, rather than impressed by another's brilliance. Well count me out.

^ <3

 

I really don't understand how anyone can defend this awful cow. Right ok she has made the money now and raised awareness or whatever people are trying to defend her actions by. So please can she just go and f*** off and have some dignity now?

Oh and another thing I hate the way the hypocritical media & far far worse the Labour Government did not bend over backwards to help other cancer sufferers who I and most other decent people regard as far more deserving of support instead of the "Chav Princess Di":

 

Friday, 5 October 2007, 16:30 GMT 17:30 UK

BBC News

Tomlinsons make drug review call

 

Fund-raiser Jane Tomlinson's husband and the NHS trust that treated her have called for a review of the availability of advanced trial drugs.

 

Mrs Tomlinson's husband Mike said she found it "distressing" that she could not get access to Lapatinib, when it was available elsewhere in the UK.

She had to make a 150-mile round trip to Nottingham to get the drug.

Along with the Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust, he has asked the government to stop it happening to other patients.

 

Mrs Tomlinson died in September, aged 43, after a seven-year cancer battle.

While terminally ill, she raised more than £1.75 million for charity by running in three London Marathons, several triathlons and The Great North Run.

Mr Tomlinson said his wife's medical team in Leeds decided Lapatinib was her best option. It costs £6,700 per patient, per year.

However, Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust had taken the decision not to participate in a GlaxoSmithKline-sponsored access study of the treatment.

 

'Extremely cross'

 

He said: "Clearly it was quite distressing for Jane to find that she would no longer be able to have the treatment that everyone thought would be most suitable for her.

"It caused a lot of distress to her and a lot of upset."

 

Mr Tomlinson said further approaches were made to the drug company itself and to the NHS in Nottingham, where she was eventually accepted on to the trial in April.

However, he said the delay in getting on to the trial in Nottingham severely affected her health.

 

"There was no doubt in our minds that delay and inability to get treatment had a long-term impact on Jane's health at that time," he said.

"This is the National Health Service. Potential life expectancy should not depend on the location where the person resides.

"She was extremely cross that there were inconsistencies across the health service which allowed some patients treatment and some patients not treatment."

 

'Deeply disappointed'

 

Mr Tomlinson said his wife had asked him to speak out after her death.

Mr Tomlinson said making his wife travel to Nottingham for treatment was "inhumane" and "caused unnecessary aggravation to Jane at a time when she was at her most vulnerable".

He said: "Jane has been fundamentally let down by an unjust system. She has received many tributes over the last month. The most fitting would be the resolving of this issue."

Dr Phil Ayres, deputy medical director of the Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust, said: "We were deeply disappointed not to be able to offer Jane the treatment she and her consultant wanted.

"We support Jane and Mike's views that we need a debate about access to drugs that have not yet been licensed or nationally approved.

"It is currently a difficult and uncertain process to make investigational drugs appropriately available."

 

But hey as a nation while we celebrate mediocrity & ridicule people who aspire to greatness via intelligence & hard graft, what can you expect?

The only thing I don't like about this whole thing is the fact she said "she is trying to make money out of it" :huh: Even made obscure news in NL here... I don't buy, what's next to make the money of? Cliff Richard brings the Official Theme Song for the Jade Goody Foundation?! A cover of "Drive" by the Scorpions? :wacko:

The pics i saw of jade today she looks more frail,its shocking how this disease can just eat away at people at such a rapid rate its trult frightening

That's all well and good, but thanks to the "post code lottery" that exists as far as cancer treatment goes, it may actually prove to be a bit moot if, god forbid, any of these girls getting smear tests do come up positive... And this, for me, is the whole issue in a nutshell..... She COULD, very easily, be using her fame and her press attention to actually highlight this pretty dreadful fact and put it on the political agenda, embarrass a few bloody politicians to actually get up off their arses and do something, maybe even save lives..... I wouldn't take much, one measly press conference and a scathing attack on Gordy Broon and Nu Labor's appalling record on getting the right treatment to the right people..... It's not as if you have to look very hard to find the evidence.....

 

But naaaaah, she's to busy planning ludicrous weddings and making a fast buck out of the likes of OK, Hello and Heat to actually care about anyone else other than herself.....

 

I've kept myself fairly quiet on the subject of Jade Goody in fear I'll rant too much and say something Dan-like and offend everyone. However, I can't not respond to this post and say how brilliant and true it is.

 

In mid-November my Gran was diagnosed with cancer, doctors said she's unlikely to last a year from diagnosis. On March 10th she has an appointment to discuss possible treatment. DISCUSS POSSIBLE TREATEMENT!!! What the fukk?! Four months? FOUR FUKKING MONTHS! That's ONE THIRD of the life you said she'd have before even DISCUSSING potential treatment. It's a complete and utter farce! I'm sure this is far from being anything like a unique case and since this I've heard tales from other people about such vast NHS incompetance. Jade is in the perfect position to actually DO something about this as she's about the most popular and talked about person in the whole of the country at the moment; by using her pain and suffering for the good of society, by doing something to genuinely help current and future sufferers of this hideous, vile disease but she's done none of that, it's all me, me, me, kids!

 

And don't even try to convince me she may have been doing things in private, AS IF! As Rob has said, she's lived in the public eye and will probably die in it, everything she does, we're told about. If she'd made any kind of significant contribution to a charity or anything else Clifford and is ilk wouldn't have let us hear the end of it, they'd make a her a hero for a half-decent reason!

So, what's it all about then Rob... Her freedom, or is it about her kids....? Because I REALLY dont see how marrying fukkin' maggot with at least ONE aggravated assault charge on his head is in any way looking out for the welfare of her kids... And, fukk me, she's given the c/unt power of attorney over her kids' "future" (ie, the money) as well.... Is she just fukkin' BRAIN DEAD.....???? That's just a bit like letting the fox take charge of the chicken coop dont you think.....?

 

And now, the Max Clifford media machine is out there to blacken the name of the one guy who actually DOES give a damn about the welfare of the children - ie, their REAL father, not some fukkin' chav maggot whom their mother has decided to marry on a stupid whim to get a few hundred grand out of some fukkin' magazines, oh, and let's just remember that HE only proposed when he found out she only had months to live..... Stupid bint, 'doing it for the kids eh.....?' <_<

 

Just to close mate, a friend of mine who has kids once said to me "You can either have your freedom, or you can have children... You cant have both....".

 

but what matters?..... just ignore her! if everyone did that then she would be what she really is, a nobody... i cant believe how this tawdry matter can have created such a discussion.

 

Put simply, how does what Jade Goody is doing actually AFFECT you? Is it really that hard just to avoid most of what's written about her in papers and such?

 

well said!

 

too many here have invested too much time arguing the toss over her... im not defending her actions, but ill defend her right to handle her plight in any way she sees fit. if you dont like her...ignore her...simple.

 

but what matters?..... just ignore her! if everyone did that then she would be what she really is, a nobody... i cant believe how this tawdry matter can have created such a discussion.

well said!

 

too many here have invested too much time arguing the toss over her... im not defending her actions, but ill defend her right to handle her plight in any way she sees fit. if you dont like her...ignore her...simple.

 

Well I don't.

 

So you think it is right for her to make sheds loads of cash from the media instead of using her influence to raise some money for Cancer Charities or Research, and get preferential treatment from the Government FFS; when other far more worthwhile people in the past and present have not. BOLLOCKS MATE!

 

So no doubt you have no problem THREE days on from her wedding for her to remain on the front cover of The Sun; Daily Mirror & Daily Star; whilst their columnists tell us how brave she is for suffering something that affects 0.8 million UK citizens per year and kills over 150,000 a year.

 

Whilst you'd much rather see Jade Goody remain on the front cover of our newspapers instead of far more worthwhile stories like the Government exercising veto powers to block publication of key Cabinet minutes under freedom of information laws regarding the War in Iraq & WMD?

 

Maybe you are happy to participate in a sick UK society that allows it to happen, but I sure as hell am not.

 

Whilst I bet today Max Clifford is furious regarding what has happened to David Cameron's eldest son.

 

 

 

 

 

Well I don't.

 

So you think it is right for her to make sheds loads of cash from the media instead of using her influence to raise some money for Cancer Charities or Research, and get preferential treatment from the Government FFS; when other far more worthwhile people in the past and present have not. BOLLOCKS MATE!

 

So no doubt you have no problem THREE days on from her wedding for her to remain on the front cover of The Sun; Daily Mirror & Daily Star; whilst their columnists tell us how brave she is for suffering something that affects 0.8 million UK citizens per year and kills over 150,000 a year.

 

Whilst you'd much rather see Jade Goody remain on the front cover of our newspapers instead of far more worthwhile stories like the Government exercising veto powers to block publication of key Cabinet minutes under freedom of information laws regarding the War in Iraq & WMD?

 

Maybe you are happy to participate in a sick UK society that allows it to happen, but I sure as hell am not.

 

Whilst I bet today Max Clifford is furious regarding what has happened to David Cameron's eldest son.

 

nope i dont think shes right, but its her decision not mine, im totally refusing to get wound up by it in the same way many of you lot are.... as far as im concerned its trivia . i dont buy the red tops, i dont buy hello, heat or any of those other mags that chart her life.... im simply not interested nor bothered what she does or doesnt do.... so no, im not 'happily participating' in the sick society thats allowing it to happen.... but i do think its jades decision and in a free society its her choice.

 

you should vent your anger towards the people who DO buy the mags, who subscribe to her 'celebrity' because its THEM who are to blame for putting this sad rather pathetic individual where she is.

 

Well I don't.

 

So you think it is right for her to make sheds loads of cash from the media instead of using her influence to raise some money for Cancer Charities or Research, and get preferential treatment from the Government FFS; when other far more worthwhile people in the past and present have not. BOLLOCKS MATE!

You're ignoring the fact that Jade Goody would be nothing without public attention. These crappy magazines wouldn't be paying ridiculous amounts for "exclusive coverage" of her wedding if people weren't interested in her. And you yourself are contributing to that massive interest right now by talking about her so intensely! Remember that it's people talking about her, including people like you even if you are criticising her, that has put her in the position where she's ABLE to get so much coverage for this.

You're ignoring the fact that Jade Goody would be nothing without public attention. These crappy magazines wouldn't be paying ridiculous amounts for "exclusive coverage" of her wedding if people weren't interested in her. And you yourself are contributing to that massive interest right now by talking about her so intensely! Remember that it's people talking about her, including people like you even if you are criticising her, that has put her in the position where she's ABLE to get so much coverage for this.

 

How dense are you & other Jade apologists?

 

If you don't find the concept of using terminal Cancer as a marketable commodity then there is something fundamentally wrong about you.

 

In my view people who don't see what harm she (or more to the point the devil incarnate Max Clifford) is doing are worse than all the sad zombie like creatures who buy the red tops & will rush out to buy OK magazine & watch Living TV, because you are idly standing by saying this is OK, when what she is doing is sick IMHO.

 

Cancer or any terminal illness is nothing to laugh about especially in any tragic instances like this and certainly not something that should be turned into the most vulgar of profiteering that even Margaret Thatcher would have found offensive as even she would have realised dignity should always come before money making vanity.

Goody 'too ill for hospital visit'

Thursday, February 26 2009, 16:46 GMT

 

By David Balls, Entertainment Reporter

Source: digitalspy

 

Jade Goody was reportedly "too ill" for a hospital visit with cancer specialists yesterday.

 

The former Big Brother contestant cancelled her appointment after claiming that she was too exhausted following her wedding last weekend.

 

"She knew this was going to happen and that she would be this tired and ill. It was the price she was always going to pay for putting so much into Sunday's ceremony," a source told The Mirror.

 

"She feels terrible but wouldn't change a thing. She is still on a high and thrilled with the memories of her wedding. It was such a perfect day, she is more than happy to suffer for it now. We're just hoping she'll bounce back."

 

Doctors visited the star at her Essex home and a bed has reportedly been placed in her dining room so she can have regular morphine injections.

 

"The doctors came to her and made sure everything possible was being done to keep on top of the pain. I am sure she will recover, Jade being Jade," her publicist Max Clifford said.

 

"She showed how resilient she was at her wedding and she'll do the same again. She just needs a few days' rest and I'm sure she'll be better by the end of the week."

 

Goody's husband Jack Tweed yesterday asked probation officers to relax his curfew so he could spend more evenings with his wife.

 

Goody 'too ill for hospital visit'

Thursday, February 26 2009, 16:46 GMT

 

By David Balls, Entertainment Reporter

Source: digitalspy

 

Jade Goody was reportedly "too ill" for a hospital visit with cancer specialists yesterday.

 

The former Big Brother contestant cancelled her appointment after claiming that she was too exhausted following her wedding last weekend.

 

"She knew this was going to happen and that she would be this tired and ill. It was the price she was always going to pay for putting so much into Sunday's ceremony," a source told The Mirror.

 

"She feels terrible but wouldn't change a thing. She is still on a high and thrilled with the memories of her wedding. It was such a perfect day, she is more than happy to suffer for it now. We're just hoping she'll bounce back."

 

Doctors visited the star at her Essex home and a bed has reportedly been placed in her dining room so she can have regular morphine injections.

 

"The doctors came to her and made sure everything possible was being done to keep on top of the pain. I am sure she will recover, Jade being Jade," her publicist Max Clifford said.

 

"She showed how resilient she was at her wedding and she'll do the same again. She just needs a few days' rest and I'm sure she'll be better by the end of the week."

 

Goody's husband Jack Tweed yesterday asked probation officers to relax his curfew so he could spend more evenings with his wife.

 

:rolleyes:

 

Funny how this story breaks onto the media AFTER the death of a true British icon Wendy Richards from the same terrible disease. Its as if she/Mac Clifford can't stand her not being the centre of the media's attention.

Some of you really need to get a grip! The poor girl is dying, please let her do as she pleases with the remaining time she has left - It is after all, none of your business. If you dont wanna hear about it then dont buy the newspapers/mags that have it in there! Simple as.

I heard on an earlier news bulletin on irish 2fm radio station that Jade has been taking into hospital for an operation to help relieve addominal pain that she is experiencing,i hope it goes ok but another operation could make her extremely weak

:rolleyes:

 

Funny how this story breaks onto the media AFTER the death of a true British icon Wendy Richards from the same terrible disease. Its as if she/Mac Clifford can't stand her not being the centre of the media's attention.

 

I totally agree with you, I'm sick to death of it now, shes at her last days why isn't she keeping whatever amount of dignity she has left and spending her time with her family.

Well thats what jade was doing until she got very sick again,honestly the poor girl cant win with some of ye guys,i just hope when yer own day comes ye have people who are alot more caring than some of ye yourselves around ye.

Well thats what jade was doing until she got very sick again,honestly the poor girl cant win with some of ye guys,i just hope when yer own day comes ye have people who are alot more caring than some of ye yourselves around ye.

 

I don't think it's that. We're being manipulated by the media. Just look at your reaction for example, it's what people like Max Clifford want. They want the believers in Jade Goody to believe that the scepticals are heartless bastards, which I don't think is very fair.

 

Cancer is a horrible disease and of course it's not nice to see her dying from such a horrible disease, and of course it's horrible for her children too. But thousands of people die for cancer, and hundreds of mums and dads probably leave young children too. Do these people get to make the front page of the news everyday? And get to make a lot of money out of it? The answer is of course no.

 

It's getting to the point where it really is stupid. Constantly the Star, Mirror and Scum/Shit are running it as a front page headline. I don't meant to be blunt but it's fucking ridiculous that The Sun can a front page story on 'I'LL BE DEAD IN A MONTH'. We know she's got a terminal disease, so is this not a suprise to anyone? It does show the state of our soceity when this is front page news pretty much all the time over other issues that are much more important. It's just the media milking us as we're all suckers for sob stories.

 

I read about the above story the other day, then today I read 'JADE MIGHT BE GONE IN A FEW DAYS' well quite frankly I couldn't give a shit at the moment. I know it's harsh, but the whole issue has been rammed down my throat so much that i'm gonna show my rebelious side as we don't need to hear about the issue every day.

Without wishing to sound like Dan, if I was to turn on teletext and read "Jade Goody Dies at 27" my first thought would now be "thank f*** we don't have to read about her or have her rammed down our throats by the media any more" I would feel sorry for the kids but I am now so cynical about the whole thing my above would be the reaction of me

 

Until The Sun organises a "Jade Aid" gig at Wembley to raise money for her family or Elton John remakes Candle In The Wind again for Jade :rolleyes: