This is so sad, it's the two little boys I'm thinking of the most though. It's REALLY made me think about and thank my mum today, I couldn't imagine her not being around and they are so young.

 

Im getting a little bit sick of reading people have a go about her. Get off your high horses. We will take the Big Brother/Shilpa Shetty thing as an example. I do not for a second believe that there is anyone that has posted in this forum that at some point in their lives HASN'T done any of the things she was guilty of. Then there is the selling everything to the media bit, She had two sons and her only intention was to make sure they had a good life. I see no problem with this. While she was doing it, she will have saved other womens lives.

 

I dont for a minute think she was a Saint! she just had flaws like everybody else in the world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

They certainly do.... What exactly was the whole "controversy" about anyway.....? Was she taking a year out or summat...? I mean, she actually went to the university concerned, at the very least, she was an alumnus....., she had definite ties to the university.....

 

Nah not her there was some lad who was derided in the newspapers because he got so much right in the series, like 250 out of 260 points he got right in the series or something and this was exposed to ridicule, I believe Rich started a thread or post about it somewhere too but it was a sad indictment of our society that someone is derided and insulted for being so knowledgeable while Jade who thought Rio De Janeiro was a footballer I think it was she said and thickos like Jodie Marsh are worshipped :manson:

So, what you're saying is, we'll all start kissing her arse if she's diagnosed with cancer then, yeah.....? Not me mate, unless she did some pretty fukkin' MAJOR stuff for charity or stood on a platform to destroy Gordon Broon..... :rolleyes:

No, I'm not saying that at all, 'mate'.

I'm just saying that of course Jade's been in the media much more than Danielle Lloyd lately - if a celebrity has been diagnosed with terminal cancer, obviously there's going to be many more stories and articles about them.

"Just being ignorant" is absolutely NO excuse in my eyes...

Of course not but you've said yourself when she said that "she's been filmed all her life, she may be filmed dying" that you doubt she has the intelligence for it to have been taken any way other than literally. The same argument could be applied that she was too stupid to realise that "Shilpa Poppadom" was an incredibly stupid thing to say, especially for someone who had a mixed race father.

 

So, what you're saying is, we'll all start kissing her arse if she's diagnosed with cancer then, yeah.....? Not me mate, unless she did some pretty fukkin' MAJOR stuff for charity or stood on a platform to destroy Gordon Broon..... :rolleyes:

Quite frankly, yes. I wouldn't personally, but I'm sure she'd be all over the papers and magazines. Perhaps not to the same extent as Jade, I don't think she has Max Clifford behind her?

 

Before Jade had cancer she had been out of the spotlight for ages but throughout her battles she became 'a nation's sweetheart' again. -_-

OMG RIP. :( Who is she?

Why do we love Jade Goody and vilify a University Challenge brainbox for being bright?

Daily Mail.co.uk By Harry Mount

Last updated at 12:56 PM on 24th February 2009

 

Two different women hit the headlines this weekend. Jade Goody, who made a fortune from her ignorance, and Gail Trimble, the University Challenge genius vilified for being so intelligent. How have our values become so distorted?

 

Back in 1980, Fred Housego, the London cabbie with one O-level, won Mastermind in a glittering performance which captivated the nation. With his mastery of specialist subjects such as Henry II, Westminster Abbey and the Tower of London, he became a media darling.

He got his own radio show, spoke at Oxford and Cambridge University, and appeared on This Is Your Life.

 

Almost 30 years on, the qualifications to become one of Britain's heroes have changed a little. The nation is now captivated by the impending death of a young woman famous only for being famous, and her wedding to a violent ex-con.

Jade Goody has been given £1million for exclusive photographs of the ceremony and has had her £315,000 wedding paid for by well-wishers. Complete strangers have wept for her and queued to bring presents to the doors of the gated estate where she exchanged vows.

 

Meanwhile, today's Fred Housego - Gail Trimble, the girl with the planet-sized brain who scored 825 of the 1,235 points amassed by Corpus Christi, Oxford, on the road to last night's final of University Challenge, which they won - has become the new public pariah.

Across the country, bitter bloggers have sniped at a woman who knows about everything from Rudyard Kipling to Kazakhstan banknotes, from Homer to human genetics.

'Smug', 'brain-rupturingly irritating', 'vicious bitch', 'a horse-toothed snob'. . . With every insult there emerges a new member of the growing ranks of a nasty, insecure tribe who need to be comforted in their own dumbness, rather than impressed by another's brilliance.

 

Jade Goody's story is undeniably a tragic and gripping one; but how extraordinarily inverted our values have become when she is treated like some modern-day Joan of Arc staring death in the face, while another young woman has bile poured upon her for the wicked sin of intelligence.

 

I have nothing against Jade Goody: it would be odd to feel anything other than sympathy for any mother dying so young. But that doesn't take away from the fact that she has achieved little of lasting merit in her short life.

 

That shortcoming is, in fact, exactly what she has been celebrated for. The reason why she became so famous is precisely because, unlike Miss Trimble, she knows so little.

 

The country ridiculed her in 2002 when she said on Big Brother that Cambridge was in London, called East Anglia 'East Angular' and thought it was a foreign country. But how they took her to their heart, queueing to buy her perfume and her two autobiographies.

 

You can see how much easier it is to take Jade Goody for your role model ahead of Gail Trimble. If you know nothing, and see someone getting rich and famous precisely for that reason, you are instantly validated. You, too, could become the next poster girl for ignorance.

How comforting, too, if the moment an awesomely intelligent woman does come along, you're allowed to attack her for being smug and snobbish.

That snobbish insult is particularly depressing. To associate intelligence with class, and damn them both, is a wicked injustice and itself a piece of inverted snobbery. That Gail Trimble was privately educated (at Lady Eleanor Holles school in South-West London) should be neither here nor there when it comes to praising her considerable achievement.

 

The same goes for Fred Housego, who got that one O-level in British constitutional history at Kynaston Comprehensive in Westminster.

 

You can hardly blame Jade Goody for taking the money from her worshippers - particularly in the brief period since her terminal cancer was diagnosed and she has had to ensure a nest egg for her children.

 

But you can still weep for a culture that celebrates such empty achievement - particularly when it is wrapped in the titillating black fringe of death, which allows people to disguise their mawkish fascination with a thin veneer of sympathy.

 

It's one thing to wallow in the shallows of celebrity culture. But the attacks on poor Gail Trimble show that it's not enough to praise stupidity; intelligence must be attacked, too.

It's striking how the people who've laid into her treat her like some hideous freak - 'I get the feeling that she may well celebrate alone,' said one contributor to an online debate - when, in fact, she is a pretty, well-dressed, popular woman. The haters need to assure themselves that vacuousness is the norm; that the really odd, unattractive thing is to be intelligent.

 

Miss Trimble is clearly not only highly intelligent, with her straight As in GCSE and A-level and her first-class degree in Classics, but she also has all the attributes of the broad, deep education that used to make good British schools the envy of the world.

When she appeared on University Challenge, she didn't just know the answers to academic questions about Latin, Maths, Greek and Shakespeare - subjects she studied for her A-levels and at university.

She also knew about the children's books that don't crop up on university syllabuses, but used to form the staple diet of the young British schoolgirl. She gave correct answers to questions on Hilaire Belloc's Cautionary Tales For Children, and Rudyard Kipling's Puck Of Pook's Hill, his children's history book.

 

Half a century ago, before that broad, deep British education system was narrowed and shallowed by Labour and Tory governments, by patronising teaching unions, and by dumbing down in the name of equality, Miss Trimble certainly wouldn't have been hated.

She also wouldn't have been that remarkable. As she has said herself, if you grow up interested in things, read a bit and are aware of what's going on in the world, then you end up with a lot of general knowledge.

You used to be able to take a taste for reading and an interest in the outside world for granted in the average Briton. Now you're considered a Nobel Prize-winning freak if you know the first few elements in the periodic table, or can remember a line of Macbeth.

 

The urge for self-improvement and respect for the intelligent used to be built into British life, from Fred Housego's triumph back to the days when the university-educated schoolmaster and vicar were the most admired figures in Welsh mining villages and Lancashire mill towns.

 

In 1960, a university professor earned as much as a Liverpool footballer. If Gail Trimble, now studying for a doctorate in Latin literature, becomes a professor, she is unlikely to earn in a lifetime what a Premier League footballer gets paid in a single season - or, indeed, what Jade Goody earned over the course of the weekend.

 

You don't have to be a brainbox to work out why, these days, far too many children grow up thinking that intelligence is for dummies.

 

 

 

 

 

<< says all about our society :rolleyes:

It was sad to finally see this news today, right or wrong I think it's something a lot of people will remember for a long time.

 

RIP Jade.

All the Jade worshippers should take a read of this site and do a read up on this guy, he is a REAL hero and a real brave man not "brave Jade" as The Sun called her

 

He is using his illness to raise money for helping other cancer sufferers and raising money for cancer in general, devoting his time to public events and public awareness of the disease and set up his own charity foundation

 

Meet a REAL hero, Sir Bobby Robson >>> http://www.sirbobbyrobsonfoundation.org.uk/

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RIP Jade, feel terrible for her children.

Poor kids. No child should grown up without their mother. Hope she's at peace now.

Im getting a little bit sick of reading people have a go about her. Get off your high horses. We will take the Big Brother/Shilpa Shetty thing as an example. I do not for a second believe that there is anyone that has posted in this forum that at some point in their lives HASN'T done any of the things she was guilty of. Then there is the selling everything to the media bit, She had two sons and her only intention was to make sure they had a good life. I see no problem with this. While she was doing it, she will have saved other womens lives.

 

I dont for a minute think she was a Saint! she just had flaws like everybody else in the world.

 

Nope. The reason a number of us are on our high horses is not so much to do with Jade Goody as a flawed human being but what she represents in today's dumbed down chav Britain.

 

The problem I have is the way her history has been rewritten to portray her as a Saint.

 

You've had the likes of The Sun newspaper who condemned Noel Gallagher for making the more than valid criticism that this country is being run by Max Clifford. Whilst criticising Jade Goody for NOT raising any money towards Cancer Charities compared to several other high profile people whom have had nowhere near the acclaim that the former Big Brother contestant has had.

 

That is the same Noel Gallagher who has released a download live album with all proceeds going to the Teenage Cancer Trust.

 

Also today you've had in the Sunday Mail Piers Morgan eulogise Jade Goody as "a fantastic role model" and "one of the people who has made Britain great in the last decade".

 

This is the same Piers Morgan whom in the same column has yet again attacked David Beckham for his self-centred mercenery behaviour. The same David Beckham who is a model football professional at AC Milan and 108 England caps; and previously Real Madrid & Manchester United and previousl UNICEF Goodwill Ambassador and is a big supporter of UNICEF. He also supports the charities Malaria No More, National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, Peace One Day, and Prince's Trust. As well as the Victoria and David Beckham Charitable Trust which raises over £3 million a year to children who are suffering from serious and terminal illnesses. Whilst when David Beckham became England captain, in 2002 he made all the England squad donate all their England appearance fees (as they still do today) go 50/50 split between Bobby Moore's & Bobby Robson's Cancer charities.

 

Whilst did you see in the British media how Cristiano Ronaldo had paid for a Cancer Wing in his hometown in native Portugal; donating over €3.5 million. Which he opened in Portugal the day Manchester UInited played their last FA Cup tie. Answer: No. Because it suits the British tabloids to keep him as a hate figure (outside of Manchester United fans).

 

Whilst as for Gordon Brown = "a one eyed Scottish idiot" hypocrite:

 

This was the same person the PM condemned at the height of the Celebrity Big Brother 'race row':

 

“I understand that in the UK there have already been 10,000 complaints (eventually 46,500) from viewers about these remarks, which people see, rightly, as offensive.

“I want Britain to be seen as a country of fairness and tolerance. Anything detracting from this I condemn.”

 

Does the same Gordon Brown deliver equally personalised eulogies to the press every time one of our soldiers is sent to their death in Iraq or Afghanistan? Answer: No.

 

Still I'm sure all you Jade fans will watch coverage of her funeral on Channel 4 (likely to be covered live on E4).

What's a pitty! :cry:

OMG RIP. :( Who is she?

 

This sums it up.

 

Yes, I feel sorry for her children, her family and her friends too. But I also feel sorry for all the other people in the world who die at a young age each day and their children, family and friends. Their last days will have been just as bad to endure, but at least Jade's family have a gigantic amount of money to fall back on due to page after page after page of sensationalist media coverage. Not to mention a tidy bit of cash for Mr Clifford who, if he has been taking a cut, should donate the whole lot to Cancer Research.

Why do we love Jade Goody and vilify a University Challenge brainbox for being bright?

Daily Mail.co.uk By Harry Mount

Last updated at 12:56 PM on 24th February 2009

 

Two different women hit the headlines this weekend. Jade Goody, who made a fortune from her ignorance, and Gail Trimble, the University Challenge genius vilified for being so intelligent. How have our values become so distorted?

 

Back in 1980, Fred Housego, the London cabbie with one O-level, won Mastermind in a glittering performance which captivated the nation. With his mastery of specialist subjects such as Henry II, Westminster Abbey and the Tower of London, he became a media darling.

He got his own radio show, spoke at Oxford and Cambridge University, and appeared on This Is Your Life.

 

Almost 30 years on, the qualifications to become one of Britain's heroes have changed a little. The nation is now captivated by the impending death of a young woman famous only for being famous, and her wedding to a violent ex-con.

Jade Goody has been given £1million for exclusive photographs of the ceremony and has had her £315,000 wedding paid for by well-wishers. Complete strangers have wept for her and queued to bring presents to the doors of the gated estate where she exchanged vows.

 

Meanwhile, today's Fred Housego - Gail Trimble, the girl with the planet-sized brain who scored 825 of the 1,235 points amassed by Corpus Christi, Oxford, on the road to last night's final of University Challenge, which they won - has become the new public pariah.

Across the country, bitter bloggers have sniped at a woman who knows about everything from Rudyard Kipling to Kazakhstan banknotes, from Homer to human genetics.

'Smug', 'brain-rupturingly irritating', 'vicious bitch', 'a horse-toothed snob'. . . With every insult there emerges a new member of the growing ranks of a nasty, insecure tribe who need to be comforted in their own dumbness, rather than impressed by another's brilliance.

 

Jade Goody's story is undeniably a tragic and gripping one; but how extraordinarily inverted our values have become when she is treated like some modern-day Joan of Arc staring death in the face, while another young woman has bile poured upon her for the wicked sin of intelligence.

 

I have nothing against Jade Goody: it would be odd to feel anything other than sympathy for any mother dying so young. But that doesn't take away from the fact that she has achieved little of lasting merit in her short life.

 

That shortcoming is, in fact, exactly what she has been celebrated for. The reason why she became so famous is precisely because, unlike Miss Trimble, she knows so little.

 

The country ridiculed her in 2002 when she said on Big Brother that Cambridge was in London, called East Anglia 'East Angular' and thought it was a foreign country. But how they took her to their heart, queueing to buy her perfume and her two autobiographies.

 

You can see how much easier it is to take Jade Goody for your role model ahead of Gail Trimble. If you know nothing, and see someone getting rich and famous precisely for that reason, you are instantly validated. You, too, could become the next poster girl for ignorance.

How comforting, too, if the moment an awesomely intelligent woman does come along, you're allowed to attack her for being smug and snobbish.

That snobbish insult is particularly depressing. To associate intelligence with class, and damn them both, is a wicked injustice and itself a piece of inverted snobbery. That Gail Trimble was privately educated (at Lady Eleanor Holles school in South-West London) should be neither here nor there when it comes to praising her considerable achievement.

 

The same goes for Fred Housego, who got that one O-level in British constitutional history at Kynaston Comprehensive in Westminster.

 

You can hardly blame Jade Goody for taking the money from her worshippers - particularly in the brief period since her terminal cancer was diagnosed and she has had to ensure a nest egg for her children.

 

But you can still weep for a culture that celebrates such empty achievement - particularly when it is wrapped in the titillating black fringe of death, which allows people to disguise their mawkish fascination with a thin veneer of sympathy.

 

It's one thing to wallow in the shallows of celebrity culture. But the attacks on poor Gail Trimble show that it's not enough to praise stupidity; intelligence must be attacked, too.

It's striking how the people who've laid into her treat her like some hideous freak - 'I get the feeling that she may well celebrate alone,' said one contributor to an online debate - when, in fact, she is a pretty, well-dressed, popular woman. The haters need to assure themselves that vacuousness is the norm; that the really odd, unattractive thing is to be intelligent.

 

Miss Trimble is clearly not only highly intelligent, with her straight As in GCSE and A-level and her first-class degree in Classics, but she also has all the attributes of the broad, deep education that used to make good British schools the envy of the world.

When she appeared on University Challenge, she didn't just know the answers to academic questions about Latin, Maths, Greek and Shakespeare - subjects she studied for her A-levels and at university.

She also knew about the children's books that don't crop up on university syllabuses, but used to form the staple diet of the young British schoolgirl. She gave correct answers to questions on Hilaire Belloc's Cautionary Tales For Children, and Rudyard Kipling's Puck Of Pook's Hill, his children's history book.

 

Half a century ago, before that broad, deep British education system was narrowed and shallowed by Labour and Tory governments, by patronising teaching unions, and by dumbing down in the name of equality, Miss Trimble certainly wouldn't have been hated.

She also wouldn't have been that remarkable. As she has said herself, if you grow up interested in things, read a bit and are aware of what's going on in the world, then you end up with a lot of general knowledge.

You used to be able to take a taste for reading and an interest in the outside world for granted in the average Briton. Now you're considered a Nobel Prize-winning freak if you know the first few elements in the periodic table, or can remember a line of Macbeth.

 

The urge for self-improvement and respect for the intelligent used to be built into British life, from Fred Housego's triumph back to the days when the university-educated schoolmaster and vicar were the most admired figures in Welsh mining villages and Lancashire mill towns.

 

In 1960, a university professor earned as much as a Liverpool footballer. If Gail Trimble, now studying for a doctorate in Latin literature, becomes a professor, she is unlikely to earn in a lifetime what a Premier League footballer gets paid in a single season - or, indeed, what Jade Goody earned over the course of the weekend.

 

You don't have to be a brainbox to work out why, these days, far too many children grow up thinking that intelligence is for dummies.

<< says all about our society :rolleyes:

 

Indeed.... I mean, one has to wonder if the reason why she's got so much stick and vilification is because she's a smart woman, would a bloke just as clever get so much vitriol aimed at them.....? I rather doubt it tbh.....

 

 

When I heard about this earlier, I was not sad at all. Last year for example, when Heath Ledger, Bernie Mac, Mike Reid and Issac Hayes died it took a while for it to register with me. Maybe I knew the Jade Goody death was coming so I wasn't shocked, but like I say, call me heartless but it just didn't upset me. Of course I feel sorry for her kids, and RIP for Jade.

 

But cancer is an issue I feel very strongly on. As i've said before my Grandma died of cancer and it hit one side of my family very hard. As a family we donate to the cancer charity that looked after my gran in her dying days, and my mum also changed her profession to become a nurse. I'd like to see the Goody family do the same.

 

All this crap about her helping cancer disgusts me as well. Yeah she's helped by having her face plastered all over every newspaper. I'd hardly call that making a difference to cancer, after all she was being payed to do this!!! Other famous stars big deep into their own pockets and give their own free time to make a difference. Again, i'd love to see Jack Tweed support cancer and Jade Goody's memory by starting a cancer trust in the same way the Dalglish's have done. THAT'S making a difference, and for these people's hard work to be out done by Jade Goody is quite wrong and very ignorant.

 

If Jade has said that she wants to start up a memorial trust for cancer, or the Goody family themself then i'll at my words. But i'd be very surprised if it happens.

Of course not but you've said yourself when she said that "she's been filmed all her life, she may be filmed dying" that you doubt she has the intelligence for it to have been taken any way other than literally. The same argument could be applied that she was too stupid to realise that "Shilpa Poppadom" was an incredibly stupid thing to say, especially for someone who had a mixed race father.

 

I dont buy that "oh, she has a mixed race father so she cant be racist" argument..... She may not be racist against black people, that doesn't necessarily prevent her from being racist against another group..... For example, some of the worst examples of racism in the US is not so much White V Black these days, it's actually Black V Asian or Black V Hispanic and vice versa.....

 

Racism is a product of poor education and of parents or family members brainwashing their kids into believing that certain people in society are lesser than others.....

 

She may have been too stupid to realise that her comments were hurtful, but that does not excuse her, neither does coming from a poor background, I came from a working class background myself, my folks weren't well off either..... You dont need to be rich to get a reasonably good education in this country, we have universal education up until age 18, if you just pish that opportunity up the wall and choose to stay ignorant and stupid, whose fault is that....?

Ffs, this woman died literally hours ago. Is it really too much to ask for just a bit of respect to be shown??

Nope. The reason a number of us are on our high horses is not so much to do with Jade Goody as a flawed human being but what she represents in today's dumbed down chav Britain.

 

The problem I have is the way her history has been rewritten to portray her as a Saint.

 

You've had the likes of The Sun newspaper who condemned Noel Gallagher for making the more than valid criticism that this country is being run by Max Clifford. Whilst criticising Jade Goody for NOT raising any money towards Cancer Charities compared to several other high profile people whom have had nowhere near the acclaim that the former Big Brother contestant has had.

 

That is the same Noel Gallagher who has released a download live album with all proceeds going to the Teenage Cancer Trust.

 

Also today you've had in the Sunday Mail Piers Morgan eulogise Jade Goody as "a fantastic role model" and "one of the people who has made Britain great in the last decade".

 

This is the same Piers Morgan whom in the same column has yet again attacked David Beckham for his self-centred mercenery behaviour. The same David Beckham who is a model football professional at AC Milan and 108 England caps; and previously Real Madrid & Manchester United and previousl UNICEF Goodwill Ambassador and is a big supporter of UNICEF. He also supports the charities Malaria No More, National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, Peace One Day, and Prince's Trust. As well as the Victoria and David Beckham Charitable Trust which raises over £3 million a year to children who are suffering from serious and terminal illnesses. Whilst when David Beckham became England captain, in 2002 he made all the England squad donate all their England appearance fees (as they still do today) go 50/50 split between Bobby Moore's & Bobby Robson's Cancer charities.

 

Whilst did you see in the British media how Cristiano Ronaldo had paid for a Cancer Wing in his hometown in native Portugal; donating over €3.5 million. Which he opened in Portugal the day Manchester UInited played their last FA Cup tie. Answer: No. Because it suits the British tabloids to keep him as a hate figure (outside of Manchester United fans).

 

Whilst as for Gordon Brown = "a one eyed Scottish idiot" hypocrite:

 

This was the same person the PM condemned at the height of the Celebrity Big Brother 'race row':

 

“I understand that in the UK there have already been 10,000 complaints (eventually 46,500) from viewers about these remarks, which people see, rightly, as offensive.

“I want Britain to be seen as a country of fairness and tolerance. Anything detracting from this I condemn.”

 

Does the same Gordon Brown deliver equally personalised eulogies to the press every time one of our soldiers is sent to their death in Iraq or Afghanistan? Answer: No.

 

Still I'm sure all you Jade fans will watch coverage of her funeral on Channel 4 (likely to be covered live on E4).

 

Absolutely Rich... I've said it before and I'll say it again, the way that Jade's story has been rewritten to portray her as a saint is something that Stalin or Dr Goebbels would be proud of... Seriously, just what IS the essential difference....? It's spin, propaganda, manipulation of facts and reality...... And all these numpties fall for it every fukkin' time......

 

I would make it totally compulsory for everyone to undergo a course at school in intensive and critical media analysis, because this sh!t is potentially dangerous, this manipulation and distortion that the likes of Clifford, Murdoch and Morgan (a real "axis of evil" if ever there was...) commit upon us, this distortion of facts, of truth and of reality.... I would make it required viewing for just about everyone to watch the Noam Chomsky documentary "Manufacturing Consent".

 

I once wanted to be a journalist when I was younger, then I saw how the media really operated with regards to how they reported the Hillsborough tragedy (which actually made me feel almost physically sick, I was shocked and disgusted....) and decided upon a different course, and all things considered with everything that has happened and continues to happen I feel totally vindicated in everything that I have thought and said about how the media operates in this country.....

 

You lot who think that this is all such hot sh!t seriously need to read the lyrics contained in my sig.... AND FUKKIN' LEARN SOMETHING...... :rolleyes:

 

 

RIP Jade

Ffs, this woman died literally hours ago. Is it really too much to ask for just a bit of respect to be shown??

 

If she actually deserved any, she'd get it, and from what I read from posters earlier if she'd actually took advice from her doctors and got screened however many weeks and months before she did, she may not have actually died if it had been caught early, as this is actually a preventable cancer, whose fault is that then.....? I'm not gonna kiss her arse and say what a great person she was, no way man... I feel sorry for her kids, these poor little tykes certainly don't deserve to grow up without a mum.... but that's really as far as it goes.... And it has to be said, she's now saddled them with a step-father who is a violent, drunken, drug addicted piece of sub-human trash, whose been in prison already and was up before the beak just a few weeks ago on another assault..... What a great role model for these young lads to live up to eh....? :rolleyes:

 

Sorry mate, but I feel more sadness about Wendy Richard and Natasha Richardson..... BOTH of whom had more dignity and self-respect.....