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We were talking about this in Sociology and how completely messed up this is... The guy looks like he could be in my little sisters class!!

The girl is about twice his size too :mellow:

Then my teacher worked out that if she had done the same thing, then she was old enough to be our mum :lol: She was very traumatised lmfao

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As much as the whole thing disgusts me - to compensate for the boy looking about eight - the girl looks about 45! If it wasn't for these 'chav' people dropping brats like there's no tomorrow - where would all the nice middle-class social workers, housing officers, sundry law legals people get their income from?

 

But I agree - at the end of the day ... its the working class and by that expression I do actually mean 'people who work' who pick up the tab. I don't know, a bit extreme here ... but maybe Keith Joseph was right all those years ago ... he said something like 'put something in the water to stop them breeding'. Having said that .... if they had I wouldn't be here to entertain you all! :lol:

 

Norma

 

Frankly, I think we'd all be a bit better off without these "nice, middle-class social workers" tbh.... Get some 'old-skool' working class GRANNIES in there from the "School of Hard Knocks" to knock some bloody sense into them, clip some earholes when necessary, drag the buggers down to the nearest police station when its needed, perhaps we wouldn't have cases like Baby P and Victoria Climbie then.... <_< We could probably live with a few less lawyers as well..... :rolleyes:

 

God, I NEVER thought I'd actually agree with summat a Tory scumbag like 'Keef' Joseph said, but I dunno, I'm beginning to think he may have had a point tbh.....

 

The girl is about twice his size too :mellow:

 

Christ yeah, what a bloody horror she is..... :o I must've been a bit like a Whippet mounting a St Bernard...... :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

God forbid she was the one on top, she'd've snapped him in half... :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Frankly, I think we'd all be a bit better off without these "nice, middle-class social workers" tbh.... Get some 'old-skool' working class GRANNIES in there from the "School of Hard Knocks" to knock some bloody sense into them, clip some earholes when necessary, drag the buggers down to the nearest police station when its needed, perhaps we wouldn't have cases like Baby P and Victoria Climbie then.... <_< We could probably live with a few less lawyers as well..... :rolleyes:

 

God, I NEVER thought I'd actually agree with summat a Tory scumbag like 'Keef' Joseph said, but I dunno, I'm beginning to think he may have had a point tbh.....

 

I do hope you realise that my wording 'nice, middle-class social workers ...', etc was a clumsy attempt at irony on my part! I agree with you and feel there is absolutely no need for them - the majority of them are only interested in the financial gains and what bottle of Chardonnay to go with dinner on Friday night than the people they're supposed to care for. They just see the chavs as their 'piece' work ... the same as I see my sofas and tub chairs! :lol:

 

Norma

Its just really sickening to read, and the fact that the parents don't seem that phased by it, just makes it seem even worse.

 

In a nutshell... The attitude of the parents, and the fact that the parents of the girl in particular seem to have just totally abdicated all responsibilities for their offspring, is probably the worst thing about this whole issue.....

 

I dunno, I mean, if you look to places like Scandinavia or Holland, there's far more liberal attitudes to sex, BUT, this is coupled with a greater sense of social responsibility, so these problems are frankly a fraction of the problems that exist here.... We have the liberal attitudes to sex, unfortunately, what we dont have is that wider sense of social responsibility and social inclusion at all levels in society.....

 

As the bitch in blue Thatcher once said, "there's no such thing as society", the Swedes, the Norwegians, the Dutch, the Danes, the Finns, the Germans NEVER had such a poisonous, socially destructive notion put to them.....

 

Does the girl remind you of anyone?

 

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00454/shannonmummain_454156a.jpg

I do hope you realise that my wording 'nice, middle-class social workers ...', etc was a clumsy attempt at irony on my part! I agree with you and feel there is absolutely no need for them - the majority of them are only interested in the financial gains and what bottle of Chardonnay to go with dinner on Friday night than the people they're supposed to care for. They just see the chavs as their 'piece' work ... the same as I see my sofas and tub chairs! :lol:

 

Norma

 

That's pretty much the attitude in a nutshell.... This bloody Shoemaker woman going around the press, bleating about how "hard done by" she was and that she's a "political scapegoat" to anyone stupid enough to listen.... Well, sorry, but FUKK HER..... These people are going into these jobs with totally the wrong attitude.... It's not "just a job", sometimes you have to take a position and get involved, if that means you upset a few sensibilities along the way, tough... At the end of the day, the kids are supposed to be the most important thing....

 

Which is why I think there should be no pussyfooting around here.. These kids are clearly incapable of looking after a child, and the "grandparents", fukkin' hell, bang up job they've done bringing up their own innit.....? There are so many more mature, childless couples out there with so much love to give a child, and a sense of responsibility too... Frankly, I'd get that bairn the hell out of there and put it up for adoption or fostering.....

 

Does the girl remind you of anyone?

 

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00454/shannonmummain_454156a.jpg

 

God forbid that in 10 years time or whatever, history will repeat itself..... -_-

 

For something like that creature to be able to sleep around which it sounds like she has then standards have really dropped in the teenage male population, she is an utter dog, pig ugly, am really amazed any guy will have wanted to go with her

 

But going back on topic the kid needs taking into care and placed with a family that is capable of looking after it, the kid is looked after by her it will have several ASBO's by its 14th birthday

 

It really is time to bring in breeding licences in this country where pregnant women and their partners have to pass a "fit and proper person" test before they are allowed the kid, you need a licence to have a dog, a car or a tv but you don't need one to have a kid :rolleyes: that needs changing, these tests would include financial and moral scrutiny and psychological tests, pass those tests they keep the kid fail the tests they have it taken into care at birth

Smug liberals, morality and a 13-year-old 'babyfather'

Last updated at 10:19 PM on 13th February 2009

Amanda Platell Daily Mail.co.uk

 

Looking at the pictures of 13-year-old Alfie Patten, cradling the head of his new-born daughter, it's hard to know who to feel more pity for - the baby, or the father who is still a child himself.

 

I know there are those who will pour scorn on Alfie's head. Doubtless, he's not the sharpest pencil in the box. But the blame for this whole sorry episode lies elsewhere - and I don't mean with his 15-year-old 'girlfriend', Chantelle.

 

For their predicament is testament to the moral collapse that is the true legacy of a liberal establishment that has imposed its own values - or rather, lack of them - on the British people for the past four decades.

 

For this establishment, marriage and the nuclear family are dead, commitment is irrelevant, individual responsibility counts for nothing, the State will always pick up the tab and the only sin is to be judgmental.

 

Above all, children must never be told that that they're not emotionally mature enough for sex, but must instead be given every possible help with contraception. Condemnation must never be used. Thus sex education is imposed on younger and younger children who are taught every graphic detail, apart from simple restraint.

 

The devastation created by this moral decay is evident not only in the ever-increasing numbers of fractured and dysfunctional families (Alfie's father has sired nine children but is separated from his mother, while Chantelle's parents and five brothers survive entirely on benefits). It is apparent in the statistics that show Britain is the teenage mum capital of Europe, with the highest abortion rates.

 

For many teens and even pre-teens in Britain today, having sex is of no greater consequence than sneezing - something that doesn't deserve a second's thought. But then why would it when the morning after pill is handed out like Smarties?

 

Yesterday it was announced GPs will even be paid bonuses for persuading teenagers to go on to long-lasting contraception (which their parents often won't even know about).

 

Set against this backdrop, what chance do children like Alfie and Chantelle have of escaping the downward spiral of poverty and welfare dependency which has so blighted their young lives and which is the spectre that haunts their infant's crib?

Actually, you have a point.... I really think it's about time we started prosecuting a few people here, start making examples, make the parents of these kids more responsible as well (the parents of Chantelle just seemed to let her do what the hell she wanted - great parenting I must say).... As harsh as this may sound, if it actually got through to people that you could go to prison on a Stat Rape charge, then, well, let's see if that might actually prevent a lot of this from happening, and making parents responsible for the actions of their kids might actually get it through their thick skulls to be proper parents.. Might not stop all cases, but I reckon it would drive the statistics down a fair bit....

Wasn't it in the news just this week that jailing the parents of truants hasn't been working that well? I reckon jailing parents of promiscuous underage children would have the same effect.

Good article

 

I think it raises valid points about what is wrong in Britain today and one thing that is badly needed is a complete and utter overhaul of the welfare state

 

It should be changed where you only get benefits based on CONTRIBUTIONS, if you are a kid with babies and have never worked, tough $h!t you get NOTHING, if you are an immigrant who has come into this country you get nothing until you have paid into the system via work based NI contributions, if you are a lifelong sponger you get nothing unless you have paid in to the system too

 

There is a something for nothing culture in this country and it badly needs overhauling, welfare should be entirely based upon only taking out what has been paid in, haven't paid in, you get nothing out in return

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Or why not just jail the kids?!
Good article

 

I think it raises valid points about what is wrong in Britain today and one thing that is badly needed is a complete and utter overhaul of the welfare state

 

It should be changed where you only get benefits based on CONTRIBUTIONS, if you are a kid with babies and have never worked, tough $h!t you get NOTHING, if you are an immigrant who has come into this country you get nothing until you have paid into the system via work based NI contributions, if you are a lifelong sponger you get nothing unless you have paid in to the system too

 

There is a something for nothing culture in this country and it badly needs overhauling, welfare should be entirely based upon only taking out what has been paid in, haven't paid in, you get nothing out in return

What a brilliant idea. Who do you expect to pay for the burial of all the innocent children who starve to death as a result?

What a brilliant idea. Who do you expect to pay for the burial of all the innocent children who starve to death as a result?

 

Goes hand in hand with my idea of a breeding licence, part of the licence is a test of finances to show that the parents can afford to raise the kid without state assistance, if they can't afford the kid then it gets taken off them and placed with a family that can afford it

 

It is not my responsibility to subsidise the feckless the reckless and the ignorant

 

Like I said in the other thread.........baby raising has become a career among a lot of teenage girls these days, instead of going out and getting a job they instead have a kid at 13-16 and get a nice council house and benefits payments and council tax and everything all paid for,one paper reckoned that she is going to get £29,000 this next year off the taxpayer in benefits :puke2: dry.gif <_< with teenage girls with kids these days why work when all you gotta do is drop your knickers and nice big handouts come your way from the taxpayer :rolleyes:

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Goes hand in hand with my idea of a breeding licence, part of the licence is a test of finances to show that the parents can afford to raise the kid without state assistance, if they can't afford the kid then it gets taken off them and placed with a family that can afford it

 

It is not my responsibility to subsidise the feckless the reckless and the ignorant

 

Like I said in the other thread.........baby raising has become a career among a lot of teenage girls these days, instead of going out and getting a job they instead have a kid at 13-16 and get a nice council house and benefits payments and council tax and everything all paid for,one paper reckoned that she is going to get £29,000 this next year off the taxpayer in benefits :puke2: dry.gif <_ with teenage girls kids these days why work when all you gotta do is drop your knickers and nice big handouts come way from the taxpayer :rolleyes:>

So we get thrown put of the EU for the most serious breach of the European Convention on Human Rights ever committed by a signatory to the convention. We therefore lose a substantial proportion of our trade. We also lose most of the tourist trade as people boycott the UK in droves. We lose large numbers of people who leave because they don't want to live in a fascist state. Eventually there aren't enough people to do the lowest paid jobs because their potential parents weren't allowed to produce children. You've really thought that idea through haven't you? :lol:

 

What a brilliant idea. Who do you expect to pay for the burial of all the innocent children who starve to death as a result?

 

And what's your brilliant idea to stop this utter flagrant abuse of the benefits system....? I mean, why the fukk should I work when these fukkin' leeches are getting 30K to drop litters of brats all over place....? Why the fukk should ANYONE work.....???? Should I just knock up my girlfriend and then scrounge off the state for the rest of my life....? NO, because I have a certain thing called SELF RESPECT, something these fukkin' chav maggots wouldn't know if it bit them in the arse.......Do you honestly believe that Bevan and the architects of the welfare state actually intended for this to happen....? The Welfare system was set up as a temporary measure to aid people in times of hardship until they got on their own feet, it was never EVER intended to be a permanent solution or a fukkin' "career choice"..... All you do in this instance is create an underclass who have no ambitions, no career prospects and no hope.... Why the fukk is Britain the ONLY COUNTRY in the EU that has an attitude of "something for nothing", why is it that Germany, Scandinavia, Holland, etc all countries which have generous social provisions, simply DO NOT have the problems that we do....? Answer, they have better societies which actually empower their people...

 

I dont suppose it's occurred to you that it actually SUITS the Govt to have a completely docile, stupid, ignorant underclass who simply dwell on the dole their whole lives, have no futures, no aspirations or hope has it....? Because people with aspirations actually start then to demand things, such as better government, better living and work conditions, better pay, better lives...... Our grandfathers and great-grandfathers demanded such things when they came back from the war in 1945, workers actually had more rights in the 50s and 60s than they do now, in France, the Govt is $h!t-scared of the power of the working classes, in Scandinavia, the Govt incorporates and empowers its workers and its people, here, we get treated like utter SH!TE, treated like mugs, and driven into the ground..... <_<

 

It is high time we drew a line in the sand....

Now there's a 16 year old who wants a paternity test. :rolleyes:

 

Would he be doing this if the press weren't all over it? I don't think so!

Now there's a 16 year old who wants a paternity test. :rolleyes:

 

Would he be doing this if the press weren't all over it? I don't think so!

To be fair, I'd do the same. Normally I wouldn't want anything to do with her, I'd just want to forget her completely.

 

However they're now becoming some hideous media types and if there is potential fraud then I'd want people to know!

So we get thrown put of the EU for the most serious breach of the European Convention on Human Rights ever committed by a signatory to the convention. We therefore lose a substantial proportion of our trade. We also lose most of the tourist trade as people boycott the UK in droves. We lose large numbers of people who leave because they don't want to live in a fascist state. Eventually there aren't enough people to do the lowest paid jobs because their potential parents weren't allowed to produce children. You've really thought that idea through haven't you? :lol:

 

So what is your idea and your solution mate ? just sit there and watch these leeches and parasites steal £30k a year out of the system, if you multiply that £30k x say 200,000 chav parents that is a $h!tload of my and your money being wasted so while you are prepared to seeminlgly just throw money at chav scum

 

The next generation of chavs are going to be even worse than this lot, a whole generation of chav scum bought up by chav parents with no morals and no scruples so something has to be done to end the chav bloodline and over time restore society to some sort of normality

 

I think science / DNA could play a part, I think that something in the genetic make up of chavs is causing them to act this way and behave the way they do so I think scientists and doctors need to undertake a detailed analysis of the genetic make up of chavs, this would involve experiiments on chavs to see if there is anything like a "chav gene" in their genetic make up, these experiments would be conducted on chavs that are serving prison sentences such as the one that shot that 11 year old in Liverpool, if anything is found that shows that the genetic make up of chavs is different to say normal people that causes them to act and behave the way they do then all chavs in this country would be forced to undergo treatment to get their genetic make up the same as normal people and thus in a generation or 2 chavs are a thing of the past as their genetics have been altered more in line with normal people

 

The above sounds a bit out of the Josef Mengele handbook ? maybe or maybe not but the chav problem needs addressing in this country so while politicians and the media and ordinary people can do nothing hopefully science/DNA can play a big part

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