May 21, 200916 yr Oh No, I really like Kris but Adam is in a different league!! he better get a recording contract!
May 21, 200916 yr I don't really think it's fair to say Kris ONLY won because he's straight. That's quite narrow minded, you may as well just say all Americans are homophobic while you're there eh? It's the same as the X-Factor in 2007. Rhydian was far more talented but somehow lost to Leon Jackson. Personally I don't like Adam and i'm pleased Kris won, but I don't think it's impossible to say that the above that happened with Leon / Rhydian couldn't have happened here.
May 21, 200916 yr Oh for goodness sake, it's ridiculous. No-one can win these days without there being a reason. Adam is a marmite singer. For everyone who thinks his high pitched singing is ground breaking, there'll be another person (like me) who thinks it is overdramatic wailing. Kris in contrast while perhaps less exciting is GOING to appeal to a wider demographic because what he's doing is not niche and theatrical. He is definitely the more marketable to radio too. I think it's ridiculous people bring things like sexuality into it, as if people voted him into the final and then go 'oh but he cant possibly vote him to WIN.. he's ........ gay!'. Ridiculous. People just preferred the other artist.
May 21, 200916 yr Oh please. Adam didn't lose because of his sexuality. If America was so homophobic he would have been out on his ears in the first couple of weeks.
May 21, 200916 yr It was kinda obvious to me that Adam wouldn't win, he was too much of an obvious winner. The same thing happened last year when David Archuleta was an obvious winner. :P
May 21, 200916 yr Sometimes the obvious winner does take it though.. Alexandra here in the UK for example. It's good to have a mix so there doesn't become a formula. Mind you, you get 'Oh god, such a boring winner - OBVIOUS' or 'Oh my god I can't believe he didn't win, people must have asssumed he would and didn't vote' - so they can't win. Everyone always has an excuse
May 21, 200916 yr well to be honest alexandra wasnt an obvious winner. favourites early on were laura and diana. I think adam will do well regardless and was a shock to me he didnt win kris will benefit from it more by winning if you get me and some of you guys are right it has NOTHIUNG to do with adams sexuality otherwise he wud have been gone ages ago it can never just be ok blah blahs one...end of theres always a reason WHY that person one and WHY the runner up didnt
May 21, 200916 yr Yeah sorry I should have made it clear, I meant she was favourite to win on the night of the final :) Agree with all else you said!
May 21, 200916 yr Adam Lambert Loses, Homophobia Wins The best singer didn't win a freaking singing contest. When Kris Allen defeated Adam Lambert as the Season 8 "American Idol," it was, as predicted, a seismic upset. The Chicago Sun-Times said, "David slayed Goliath." Endless bloggers posted reactions like "The biggest robbery since Bush stole the election" and "The end of American Idol's last hope at relevance." Everyone, from the judges to Google to Yahoo to the Vegas odds makers, predicted a Lambert victory. They were right, and everyone knows it. In the end homophobia won, and everyone knows it. Yes, homophobia is alive and well, which is why Lambert lost the ultimate title. Go ahead -- give me another reason. Yes, Lambert is over the top and screams a lot and is campier than Liberace at Radio City. Sure, Kris Allen is a cutie, and has pleasant enough vocals, and he's nice. But a better singer, or performer, than Lambert? Please. By anyone's estimation, Lambert was the best vocalist of the entire Idol season and one of the best, if not the best, in the history of the program. He towered over every contestant, exposing them as the amateurs they are. Every Lambert performance was an event. If this competition were only about singing, he crushed everyone else the second he walked onstage. Kris Allen is a very affable and attractive young man. He is a decent vocalist with a very limited range and marginal talents. He should have made it to 3rd place at best. Time will tell if he reaches the level of John Mayer or Jack Johnson. The final round, if vocals were the actual standard, should have been Lambert and Allison Iraheta, the precocious 17 year old with the whisky crusted Janis Joplin voice. But vocals, as evidenced by this and other Idol seasons, are not the final standard. In the end, a 'likeability' factor intrudes, turning 'Idol' into the Miss America Pageant or, more realistically, the high school Homecoming coronation. Melinda Doolittle lost to Jordin Sparks. Chris Daughtry lost to Taylor Hicks. Jennifer Hudson lost to ... anyone. It's a real shame that Idol is decided by the public and not just music professionals, because let's face it, the voting public is not that bright. The public voted George W. Bush twice as president. The public thinks Halliburton is Liz Taylor and Richard Burton's daughter. The public votes on who they want to 'hang out' with. In that event, Allen won by a landslide. Lambert hangs out with kinky L.A. theatre folk who dress wierd, stay out all night, and possibly do drugs and get into compromising positions. Allen hangs out at a local Arkansas bar, has a beer or two, strums a song, and then goes home to wedded Christian bliss. (Of course, I'd rather hang with Lambert's crowd. How much fun do you think they are? Are you kidding?) If the contestants had zero backstory, Lambert would have decimated the competition. Instead, Allen's Christianity, church roots and corn-fed wife were exploited, as were Lambert's musical theatre roots (i.e. his 'theatre fag' history). He didn't say a word about his sexuality, but didn't need to. For that we had the Internet, zapping anyone's private photo library to the world, so photos of Lambert swapping saliva with a guy went viral, as well as a lot of his very strange yet riveting LA cabaret performances, turning off the homophobic majority. Yes, a majority of the country is homophobic. If it weren't, gays would have had their rights back in the 90s when the Europeans got them. We wouldn't have a majority of states with a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. We wouldn't be fighting for even rudimentary domestic partnership laws in some cities and states. We wouldn't have anti-gay imbeciles like Maggie Gallagher, Peter LaBarbera, Matt Barber or the "God Hates Fags" morons getting publicity. Yep, if American weren't homophobic, Lambert would be waving to the crowds from a convertible. Bill O'Reilly, a homophobe who knows what plays to his old white guy audience, did at least two features on Lambert's sexuality, creating an issue where none needed exist. He first brought up the Internet photos of Lambert kissing a guy and asked if this would be a "problem" for America, an America who might not have even thought about it until O'Reilly brought it up. And right before the Idol finale he brought on Newsweek's Ramin Setoodeh, author of an article about the "Christian vote" going to Allen, again planting a seed in a public who might not previously have thought of it. O'Reilly is a skilled propagandist, warning us against the evils of the secular world before they even entered our minds. And Steoodeh wrote, post 'Idol," about reasons why Lambert may have lost, neglecting to mention how he himself may have contributed. I'm sorry a simple musical theatre actor from California and a simple guitar strummer from Arkansas have to bear this cultural burden, but there it is. Despite Allen's pleading that "It's about music, it's not about religion and all that kind of stuff," it is indeed about religion and all that kind of stuff. Danny Gokey's pastor Twittered, "We need a believer to represent." Even Rev. Ted Haggard, the most frightened homosexual in America, Twittered that he wanted Allen to win. A Lambert win would have scared the bejeezus out of him. Conservatives are all still stinging from their defeat at the polls in November. They wanted something to take home. They couldn't possibly let a guy who wears eyeliner and nail polish win, no matter how astoundingly talented he is. It is to Lambert's credit and astounding talent that he got this far, and the media sensation he has created ensures him a very exciting post-Idol career. He's a phenomenon who has earned every bit of ink he has created. He made 'Idol" relevant again. His outrageous performances woke up a sleeping audience. And he made, without really trying, a great leap for gays in America. The American public learned his sexuality early on and still voted for him into the finals, even if they were too scared to give him the ultimate prize. But they obviously had their limits. Perhaps if he hadn't sung his finale "Mad World" performance in that 'Basketball Diaries' cloak, which made us fear he was a misunderstood youth about to pull out a semiautomatic and open fire on the tweens in the mosh pit, he would have won. Even Kris Allen, at the end, said, "Adam deserves this. I'm sorry." It's Allen who will have to endure the publicity of how it really should have been Lambert up there. He's a nice guy and doesn't deserve it. He should enjoy his victory. But he was competing against Goliath, and these things happen. David himself would have had to deal with the fallout. Edited May 21, 200916 yr by Ethan.
May 21, 200916 yr Im sorry but Kris Allen>>>>>>>>Adam Lambert any day of the week. Whilst i think Lambert's originallity is one of the best since Blake Lewis (Lol at Simon Cowell calling him the most original artist they have had on there), Kris Allen is the obvious better singer. Also, LMFAOROFLLOLPMSL at that article comparing Melinda Dolittle to Jordin Sparks!!! And lastly, has everyone forgotten the whole Vote For The Worst thing? Why else do you think Katherine McPhee lost to TAYLOR HICKS :heehee:
May 22, 200916 yr Oh for goodness sake, it's ridiculous. No-one can win these days without there being a reason. Adam is a marmite singer. For everyone who thinks his high pitched singing is ground breaking, there'll be another person (like me) who thinks it is overdramatic wailing. Kris in contrast while perhaps less exciting is GOING to appeal to a wider demographic because what he's doing is not niche and theatrical. He is definitely the more marketable to radio too. I think it's ridiculous people bring things like sexuality into it, as if people voted him into the final and then go 'oh but he cant possibly vote him to WIN.. he's ........ gay!'. Ridiculous. People just preferred the other artist. Agree completely. Adam's tone did nothing for me and the screeching was just annoying. Kris has a much warmer tone and interpreted songs better IMO.
May 22, 200916 yr Hang ON a minute, I don't think Kris said 'Adam deserves it.. I'm sorry' in the context the blog made out. He said sorry to being speechless and said Adam deserves it because he felt they both did and because he's humble. There's another reason Adam lost. At times, he along with Gokey came across as quite arrogant (not just my opinion, I've read it internet wide) - and I for one don't want to buy music of someone I don't even like as a person. People DO have to likeable, that's part of human life. I think this sexuality argument is beyond ridiculous and beyond boring. It makes me laugh that people think rounds 1 to semi final were voted based on talent, and then the final on sexuality.
May 22, 200916 yr Hang ON a minute, I don't think Kris said 'Adam deserves it.. I'm sorry' in the context the blog made out. He said sorry to being speechless and said Adam deserves it because he felt they both did and because he's humble. There's another reason Adam lost. At times, he along with Gokey came across as quite arrogant (not just my opinion, I've read it internet wide) - and I for one don't want to buy music of someone I don't even like as a person. People DO have to likeable, that's part of human life. I think this sexuality argument is beyond ridiculous and beyond boring. It makes me laugh that people think rounds 1 to semi final were voted based on talent, and then the final on sexuality. Agreed! Plus I said the whole arrogance thing about 3 pages back. -_- Long live our new Idol! :w00t: By the way just to point out Melinda Dolittle? WHAT? No way. That article is so riddled with bitter hatred that he didn't win it's unbelieveable. Is it too hard to just let it go and say "the best guy won"? That whole article is just so bitter I could cringe. Oh and by the way, did nobody else think OMG FIX!!?!?! when Ruben Studdard beat the GAY Clay Aiken?
May 22, 200916 yr Oh and by the way, did nobody else think OMG FIX!!?!?! when Ruben Studdard beat the GAY Clay Aiken? Tbf though, Clay Aiken wasnt a top 2 finalist and he wasnt really "out" at the time. Even if it was as clear as the blue sky :P
May 22, 200916 yr Tbf though, Clay Aiken wasnt a top 2 finalist and he wasnt really "out" at the time. Even if it was as clear as the blue sky :P Apologies I said Kelly Clarkson and meant Ruben Studdard so I have corrected that in your post. :P Clay WAS a Top2 finalist in Season 2 though... So what if he wasn't really "out" has Adam Lambert actually admitted to the world in some kind of interview that he is gay? I believe not, hence, it's the same thing. :P
May 22, 200916 yr We will hear a lot more from Adam, doubtless - but he didn't lose because he's gay. He lost because he performed the same every week, and become as predictable as Leon Jackson did. Adam is very talented, no doubt, and as I said the day before the final, I'd have been happy for him to win, but he came across to me as a bit of a one-trick-pony. He's good at what he does, but I don't see the creativity in him that I saw in contestants such as Blake Lewis. He's got that creative streak that's come up with that thing that works for him, but I couldn't call him versatile. Kris is a wonderful winner, I think. Adam will doubtless have success, but I'm more bothered that Alison gets something sorted. She and Kris have stood out the most for me this year.
May 23, 200916 yr Apologies I said Kelly Clarkson and meant Ruben Studdard so I have corrected that in your post. :P Clay WAS a Top2 finalist in Season 2 though... So what if he wasn't really "out" has Adam Lambert actually admitted to the world in some kind of interview that he is gay? I believe not, hence, it's the same thing. :P Oh sorry, i was still thinking about the KC Finale, didnt know that he was top 2 (as unexpected as that is), and there have been some pics around the net of Adam Lambert kissing other guys... I doubt Clay had any of that... Also, Allison, Danny and Adam have all been signed onto a label so look out for that
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