If they release a fourth single i think it would do quite badly because people are starting to become fed up with the constant overplaying of KoL.

 

If it doesn't really have much impact on the iTunes top 40, then it may do a No Can Do and miss the top 20 :cry: Now that was a tragedy.

 

 

"No can do" did better than it should have deserved.

I said top 10, would be a shame if of all their singles this is the one to not make it, one of my favorite songs ever...its not gonna be impossible, but it won't be easy, i think they will struggle with downloads, so hopefully the physical has some good stuff on it to entice those who already have the album. (What happened to the days when we would get a few remixes a b-side the video and a game on the physical cd's???) I think using Memory of You as the b-side could have a 'Hoxton Hero's' effect, as it was a track many fans wanted but was not available to the masses. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.

There's no doubt in my mind that the first GA single to miss top ten will be one of my favourite aloud songs.

 

I also think if they get a top ten with this, one of their singles from album 7 will miss it. Its getting to be practicallyt impossible to only get top tens from the same album now (that is unless you only release one or two songs).

 

 

I said top 10, would be a shame if of all their singles this is the one to not make it, one of my favorite songs ever...its not gonna be impossible, but it won't be easy, i think they will struggle with downloads, so hopefully the physical has some good stuff on it to entice those who already have the album. (What happened to the days when we would get a few remixes a b-side the video and a game on the physical cd's???) I think using Memory of You as the b-side could have a 'Hoxton Hero's' effect, as it was a track many fans wanted but was not available to the masses. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.

Well, at the moment it looks like they aren't using ''Memory Of You'' but a different leftover which is yet to be confirmed. Also, Wikipedia (yes, I know) said there'll be a party remix of ''Love Is The Key'' on the 7'' with party remixes of ''Untouchable'' on the digital, CD and 7'' sides. In addition, the likely main remix is the Bimbo Jones one which IMO is ABSOLUTELY HIDEOUSLY BLAND. I don't think ''Memory Of You'' would be a good idea either, especially being used for ''The Loving Kind'''s physical and the physical did give TLK a bit of a boost but I doubt MOY would benefit ''Untouchable'' in any way, an old b-side would be more of a put-off to the buyer no matter how good it is, as a slightly off comparison - I think Will Young had ''Let It Go'' as the b-side to his first single ''Changes'' and in turn LIG as the 3rd single flopped horribly and we can guess why, he's one of those artists who rely more on physicals than downloads and LIG was a flop waiting to happen because of this strategy. The same I would say about MOY, even though it is only a b-side, it would probably yearn the same results for ''Untouchable'''s physical. So we'll just have to have faith in what they pull out from under the wraps as far as the physical, b-side, video etc are concerned.

There's no doubt in my mind that the first GA single to miss top ten will be one of my favourite aloud songs.

 

I also think if they get a top ten with this, one of their singles from album 7 will miss it. Its getting to be practicallyt impossible to only get top tens from the same album now (that is unless you only release one or two songs).

Again, a very valid point. But the way I see it is that as competitive as the music industry is these days, there are ways of making sure every release is a successful one. And I still believe GA's consecutive top 10 record wont be broken with this single, it's just too good. And what I've picked up is that there is a method to making a single go top 10 when you're an established act, and if GA and their record label adapt this method 'Untouchable' could soar into the top 5, where if they aren't adapting it, it would barely get top 15! Recent examples, as mentioned, PCD's tour helped significantly with getting 3rd single ''Whatcha Think About That'' into the top 10. And there's also Oasis scraping the top 10 with 3rd single ''Falling Down'' with the release of a Falling Down EP and Noel Gallagher's solo stuff, creating a great re-hype surrounding Oasis and FD. There are other 3rd single successes that come to mind but the more recent ones are more appropriate and I think substantiate with the right promo Untouchable has a 95% chance, where with the wrong promo (which happened with TLK) it would look more like a 25% chance.

Again, a very valid point. But the way I see it is that as competitive as the music industry is these days, there are ways of making sure every release is a successful one.

 

Well how comes the loving kind only made top 10 by about 400 copies then?

 

And thats actually really bad that you say "every release is a successful one", as though if untouchable went to 11 or 12, it wouldnt be successful :rolleyes:

Well how comes the loving kind only made top 10 by about 400 copies then?

 

And thats actually really bad that you say "every release is a successful one", as though if untouchable went to 11 or 12, it wouldnt be successful :rolleyes:

I said there are WAYS of making every release a successful one. I didn't say like you said, every release was a successful one. Why would I say that, that makes absolutely no sense. I also said, TLK wasn't a successful release, meaning the promo, strategy and handling of the release was very poor inturn giving it, it's highly underrated chart peak. For a song, considered to be one of GA's best. No offence Andy, I think you misread my replies between the lines ..

I said there are WAYS of making every release a successful one. I didn't say like you said, every release was a successful one. Why would I say that, that makes absolutely no sense. I also said, TLK wasn't a successful release, meaning the promo, strategy and handling of the release was very poor inturn giving it, it's highly underrated chart peak. For a song, considered to be one of GA's best. No offence Andy, I think you misread my replies between the lines ..

 

I just struggle to see how a single that has sold in excess of 95,000 so far is an unsuccessful one?

 

 

 

I just struggle to see how a single that has sold in excess of 95,000 so far is an unsuccessful one?

Well, do you honestly think 100k+ and a peak of #10 reflects how successful such a good (and in many people's opinions one of the best GA songs nevermind singles) is? So yes, it was unsuccessful to put it simple the promo was f***ed up and the release as a whole was not that of the best and had it been different TLK would've sold more and peaked better IMO.

I prefer The Loving Kind though, but I think this would still do better, just my gut feeling lol.

Well, at the moment it looks like they aren't using ''Memory Of You'' but a different leftover which is yet to be confirmed. Also, Wikipedia (yes, I know) said there'll be a party remix of ''Love Is The Key'' on the 7'' with party remixes of ''Untouchable'' on the digital, CD and 7'' sides. In addition, the likely main remix is the Bimbo Jones one which IMO is ABSOLUTELY HIDEOUSLY BLAND. I don't think ''Memory Of You'' would be a good idea either, especially being used for ''The Loving Kind'''s physical and the physical did give TLK a bit of a boost but I doubt MOY would benefit ''Untouchable'' in any way, an old b-side would be more of a put-off to the buyer no matter how good it is, as a slightly off comparison - I think Will Young had ''Let It Go'' as the b-side to his first single ''Changes'' and in turn LIG as the 3rd single flopped horribly and we can guess why, he's one of those artists who rely more on physicals than downloads and LIG was a flop waiting to happen because of this strategy. The same I would say about MOY, even though it is only a b-side, it would probably yearn the same results for ''Untouchable'''s physical. So we'll just have to have faith in what they pull out from under the wraps as far as the physical, b-side, video etc are concerned.

 

LIG flopped for 2 reasons, complete lack of airplay from all the comercial radio stations and completely wrong choice for a 3rd single. Luckily, Will's tv promo moved the album up a 100 places back into the top 30.

Untouchable is a great choice for a 3rd single and I think it'll easily go top 10, it's guaranteed good airplay because of their other singles charting high, no worries. :D

Well, do you honestly think 100k+ and a peak of #10 reflects how successful such a good (and in many people's opinions one of the best GA songs nevermind singles) is?

 

Erm yes i do actually because everyone has different personal favourites. The loving kind would have done much better if it had been released first instead of the promise.

 

For the 500,000 or so people that bought OOC and the other thousands who had it illegally, they wouldnt need to buy the loving kind because they already had it. Which is why i do think it was a very successful single with eveything considered.

 

And its interesting that you say they messed up the promo with TLK by making it too early. The biggest promo date by far has already been and gone for untouchable (dancing on ice). There are rumours that they will be on GMTV in the next week or so aswell so i'm afraid it looks like another early promo set.

I really do think they'll miss the top 10 this time around. Top 20

 

Erm yes i do actually because everyone has different personal favourites. The loving kind would have done much better if it had been released first instead of the promise.

 

For the 500,000 or so people that bought OOC and the other thousands who had it illegally, they wouldnt need to buy the loving kind because they already had it. Which is why i do think it was a very successful single with eveything considered.

 

And its interesting that you say they messed up the promo with TLK by making it too early. The biggest promo date by far has already been and gone for untouchable (dancing on ice). There are rumours that they will be on GMTV in the next week or so aswell so i'm afraid it looks like another early promo set.

But surely as I think it was you or someone else pointed out before they'd still buy the physical/download/whatever of TLK, for the sake of Memory Of You and the remixes, etc. GA are an established act and the more established acts tend to always have great sales AT THE TIME PERIOD they're in, by that I know TLK had great sales but there were too many mishaps and wasted opportunities they could've capitalised on for bonus sales and even a higher chart peak. With that in mind, there's just no way this (Untouchable) will miss the top 10, GA are TOO ESTABLISHED, and the song is too good and it just has 'immense sales' written all over it, especially for this time of the year where the competitiveness in the charts/new releases etc have seemed to slow down. The only way I see this missing the top 10 is if they don't do any/do little or do $h!t promo.

^^ look, no offence but you can come out with all the theories you want, untouchale will not go top ten, not because people don't like it, but because the album has already peaked. Theres barely any potential customers that dont have it already.

 

All this emphasis on promoting when its released! Have you been to a music store lately to try and find the singles section? They will sell around 2000-3000 physicals maximum.

 

This single will miss top ten, i hate to be pessimistic, but anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.

^^ look, no offence but you can come out with all the theories you want, untouchale will not go top ten, not because people don't like it, but because the album has already peaked. Theres barely any potential customers that dont have it already.

 

All this emphasis on promoting when its released! Have you been to a music store lately to try and find the singles section? They will sell around 2000-3000 physicals maximum.

 

This single will miss top ten, i hate to be pessimistic, but anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.

So you're saying just because of the album sales nobody will want to download or buy this or the flawlessly amazing radio edit for that matter, honestly I don't think I'm the deluded one. Just because it's a 3rd single doesn't mean it won't get top ten. It's GA ffs, it's always guaranteed! Rihanna's album sold heaps and she got how many top 10s? Any established act can get a 3rd single in the top 10 if they tried, even if the album sales are high! You're being incredibly one-sided, and always sticking to your same one point and ignoring all my plenty valid points. TLK did underachieve as a 2nd single I mean compare it to every other 2nd GA single which all went top 3/5 and TLK being better than most of the other GA singles. With every single, album sales always push up because there are still loads of people who don't have the album let alone the single! And this 3rd single really isn't that long after the album release for it not to go top 10. All it takes is the right promo and I'm going to keep mentioning it until you finally open your mind up to my opinions. PCD's 3rd single went top ten with the right promo. So did Oasis. So did Leona Lewis. So did Rihanna. So did The Saturdays (an unestablished act), even Miley with her Fly On The Wall only just missed top 10, I think it even outpeaked her first and second singles. Has it come to your mind how popular GA still are, The Promise got no.1 in this era, the first you could say 'credible' GA single to ever get no.1 since SOTU, and obviously their 2nd best single yet so what will stop their 3rd best single yet from not going top 10 with the correct promo, besides your one-sided album sales point? Nothing. It really isn't that impossible, gosh... This song could easily turn out to be Call The Shots or Cant Speak French, the second! Everyone thought CSF wouldnt go top 10 after the album sales and it did, and turned out to be one of their best selling singles yet. Untouchable will be even more better taken in by the public just because of the type of song it is and the type of radio edit it has and from the type of era it has come.. Bottom line it's GA, no matter how high their album sold, the singles are always going to sell and do well. If they released 'We Wanna Party' as the 3rd single then I'd understand why it wouldn't go top 10, but it's 'Untouchable' an almost guaranteed immense success! There is so much more practicality than logic to the whole release, and with just the logic of the album sales resulting in this not going top 10, literally has no backbone IMHO.

^^ :rolleyes: oh dear

Edited March 22, 200916 yr by andyboiuk

As its fallen to 205 on itunes now, i predict top 20 (probably 13 or 14)

 

I do think this will be one of their best single campaigns though and i would imagine they will sell a lot of albums with it like can't speak french did.

 

Can't wait for the video this Wednesday :D

This is among their best, I like it alot. Shame it probably won't do as well as it should.

People are worrying because no one is downloading the album version. Has no one thought people might be waiting for the radio edit to be released. Wherever it gets to its a great song which the fans love. Singles are there to promote albums and its sold over 600,000. Hopefully this will sell a few more. :yahoo: