Looking at this weeks chart...

 

1 103 1 Kelly Clarkson - My Life Would Suck Without You

2 22 2 Taylor Swift - Love Story

3 15 7 Lady Gaga - Poker Face

4 17 3 T.I. feat Justin Timberlake - Dead & Gone

 

When (if ever) have all the T4 climbed from outside the T10 like this (not counting when they've all been new entries)?

 

... and I would like to extend the question:

 

Is this the first time that the top 4 were downloads only songs?

Kelly Clarkson is not a climber, its a new entry, anything outside the top 75 the previous week, hence the Guinness Book rule from the past still applies.

 

As far as I know its the first time the top 4 are all downloads only.

This will be mentioned in this weeks ChartsPlus and the answer to your question given.

 

I don;t want to spoil it for subscribers, so remind me to answer your question on Friday!

Kelly Clarkson is not a climber, its a new entry, anything outside the top 75 the previous week, hence the Guinness Book rule from the past still applies.

 

As far as I know its the first time the top 4 are all downloads only.

 

I have to disgree with you there.

 

The OCC now sees the Top 100 as the official chart. Even so this mean Kelly is a New Entry like you said.

 

They went this way when downloads were incorporated into the chart and to bring them into line with many other countries such as US, Germany, France, Holland, Switzerland & Japan.

Apart from Austria, no other country published a Top 75.

 

This was the answer I got from the OCC when I emailed them.

 

Apparently the official charts were a Top 100 between Jan 1983 and Apr 1991 (though not recognised by Guiness Books). They then dropped it back to Top 75 due to a reduction in singles sales. But when downloads were included in the charts they increased it back to Top 100 as on the OCC website.

 

This is how the official charts have been down the years:

NME had the official charts.

14 Nov 1952 - Top 12

01 Oct 1954 - Top 20

30 Dec 1955 Top 25 (for one week only)

13 Apr 1956 Top 30

 

Charts become official for Record Retailer (now Music Week)

10 Mar 1960 Top 50

03 Jan 1963 Top 50 (now independently audited)

13 Feb 1969 Top 50 (compiled by British Market Research Bureau)

06 Feb 1971 Top 40 only (due to postal strike)

27 Mar 1971 Top 50 resumes

06 May 1978 Top75 begins

08 Jan 1983 Top 100 begins (now compiled by Gallup)

April 1991 back to Top 75

Dec 1992 (now compiled by CIN)

12 Feb 1994 (now compiled by Millward Brown)

Unsure of Date - (now compiled by OCC)

 

Edited March 3, 200916 yr by Euro Music

This will be mentioned in this weeks ChartsPlus and the answer to your question given.

 

I don;t want to spoil it for subscribers, so remind me to answer your question on Friday!

 

Ooh - tantalizing. :)

This will be mentioned in this weeks ChartsPlus and the answer to your question given.

 

I don;t want to spoil it for subscribers, so remind me to answer your question on Friday!

Can't wait to find out! :)

I have to disgree with you there.

 

The OCC now sees the Top 100 as the official chart. Even so this mean Kelly is a New Entry like you said.

 

They went this way when downloads were incorporated into the chart and to bring them into line with many other countries such as US, Germany, France, Holland, Switzerland & Japan.

 

 

That I didn't know, this is why MW should publish the top 100, not the blinking top 75 each week, that's how some people or members like me get confused, its about time MW publish the top 100.

 

Furthernote thanks to Kingsofskiffle to shed more light on the subject later in the week. Looking forward to read up on it.

That I didn't know, this is why MW should publish the top 100, not the blinking top 75 each week, that's how some people or members like me get confused, its about time MW publish the top 100.

 

Furthernote thanks to Kingsofskiffle to shed more light on the subject later in the week. Looking forward to read up on it.

 

You may already know, but for others, the Top 100 is published on the internet on Mondays on this website http://theofficialcharts.com/ Top 100 Singles and Albums along with Top 40 Downloads and Top 40 archives plus other charts.

 

You may already know, but for others, the Top 100 is published on the internet on Mondays on this website http://theofficialcharts.com/ Top 100 Singles and Albums along with Top 40 Downloads and Top 40 archives plus other charts.

 

It's also on this website HERE on Tuesdays and this includes the number of weeks on the chart

 

I have to disgree with you there.

 

The OCC now sees the Top 100 as the official chart. Even so this mean Kelly is a New Entry like you said.

 

They went this way when downloads were incorporated into the chart and to bring them into line with many other countries such as US, Germany, France, Holland, Switzerland & Japan.

Apart from Austria, no other country published a Top 75.

 

This was the answer I got from the OCC when I emailed them.

 

Apparently the official charts were a Top 100 between Jan 1983 and Apr 1991 (though not recognised by Guiness Books). They then dropped it back to Top 75 due to a reduction in singles sales. But when downloads were included in the charts they increased it back to Top 100 as on the OCC website.

 

This is how the official charts have been down the years:

NME had the official charts.

14 Nov 1952 - Top 12

01 Oct 1954 - Top 20

30 Dec 1955 Top 25 (for one week only)

13 Apr 1956 Top 30

 

Charts become official for Record Retailer (now Music Week)

10 Mar 1960 Top 50

03 Jan 1963 Top 50 (now independently audited)

13 Feb 1969 Top 50 (compiled by British Market Research Bureau)

06 Feb 1971 Top 40 only (due to postal strike)

27 Mar 1971 Top 50 resumes

06 May 1978 Top75 begins

08 Jan 1983 Top 100 begins (now compiled by Gallup)

April 1991 back to Top 75

Dec 1992 (now compiled by CIN)

12 Feb 1994 (now compiled by Millward Brown)

Unsure of Date - (now compiled by OCC)

it's certainly about time Music Week extended their chart coverage to a top 100 each week, as the published Music Week chart is the chart that is still considered to be "official" for publications such as British Hit Singles.

 

Just to point out - the official compiled chart (as opposed to official published chart in Music Week) has continued to be a Top 100 since January 1983, it has never dropped back down to a top 75. The Top 100 didn't drop back down to a top 75 in April 1991 because of falling sales, it was simply because the only magazine that carried the top 100 by then, Record Mirror, ceased publication. Music week had stopped carrying 76-100 in November 1990 as so few records were now climbing from 76-100 into the main top 75 and they considered the extended chart to be no longer of importance to the music trade . A few weeks after Record Mirror closed another publication, ChartsPlus (not the one that exists now) began to carry this 76-100 segment and continued to do so until that publication closed in 1994. Forward on a few years and nme.com began to carry the official top 100 from around 1999/2000. From September 2001 the new ChartsPlus appeared and began to carry the same official top 100 (extended to a top 200, in fact).

 

The only time the official top 100 has not publicly available is for a few weeks in 1991 and from mid 1994 to September 2001. Another publication called Hit Music carried the top 100 (in fact the top 200) from 1994 to 2001 but this isn't considered an official chart since it included "starred out", that is excluded, records which wouldn't have appeared in the official version of the top 100, which had exclusion rules applied to records between 76-100 (which is why Record Mirror, and more importantly, Music Week, did not recognise 76-100 as an official listing and titled that part of the chart with headings such as "The Next 25").

 

In your list of chart dates, I think CIN was renamed to the OCC in 2001, I can't remember the exact date though. Millward Brown still compile the charts on behalf of the OCC (who changed their name on 5 September 2008 from the Official UK Charts Company to simply the Official Charts Company).

Edited March 4, 200916 yr by Robbie

This will be mentioned in this weeks ChartsPlus and the answer to your question given.

 

I don;t want to spoil it for subscribers, so remind me to answer your question on Friday!

 

It's now Friday...

 

08 Jan 1983 Top 100 begins (now compiled by Gallup)

 

That is wrong. The Top 100 began on August 8th 1981. I've seen Data that

The OCC compile, (All Time This, & Most Weeks that), & they certainly add in

No.76 to No.100 Data from 1981 onwards - stopping doing so in January 1989.

 

The OCC are helping Virgin with the 'British Hit Albums' Book - due in June.

However - all the Data in it - including the Top 100 Acts by Weeks On Chart -

will be based on the Top 75. The fact that The OCC has the Singles & Albums

Top 100's on their Site does not mean that it will make any difference to Trivia

Lists, or Books that they help with.

 

The OCC have come up with several Album Chart Facts & Feats Lists for the Book, &

not one of them is based on the Top 100. The only parts of them that include Top 100

Data, are from 8th August 1981 to 14th January 1989, when the Chart actually was

published as a Top 100, in the Media. (For example, 'Greatest Hits' by Queen, gained

62 Weeks between No.76 & No.100 for that period, but none of its Positions below No.75

have been counted since).

 

The OCC don't necessarily see the Top 100 as THE Chart - it seems that the Top 75 is

still what counts.

Edited March 6, 200916 yr by zeus555

Agreed Zeus. In fact, it is still an offence to publish more than the top75, unless you have a license to do so (like chartsplus) i believe. The OCC can of course choose to display a top100 (they own the data), but in terms of what they and others consider the official chart in terms of records etc. it is the top75 (other than the period of time which there was an official top100) which counts.

I mean, obviously a list from 1 to x of every single record which has sold that week has to be compiled to produce the chart and publish the top records, so the OCC will know every position even below the top200 compiled for industry and chartsplus but there has to be a cut off somewhere, where it ceases to be relevant. Top75 is probably about right imho

It's now Friday...

 

Well, C+ was sent, and it's true that Jonathan Ross answered fully detailed to this question...

Let's hope Lonnie posts those things inside here also, because other subscribers cannot post informations out of C+ ;) xox.

08 Jan 1983 Top 100 begins (now compiled by Gallup)

 

That is wrong. The Top 100 began on August 8th 1981. I've seen Data that

The OCC compile, (All Time This, & Most Weeks that), & they certainly add in

No.76 to No.100 Data from 1981 onwards - stopping doing so in January 1989.

 

The OCC are helping Virgin with the 'British Hit Albums' Book - due in June.

However - all the Data in it - including the Top 100 Acts by Weeks On Chart -

will be based on the Top 75. The fact that The OCC has the Singles & Albums

Top 100's on their Site does not mean that it will make any difference to Trivia

Lists, or Books that they help with.

 

The OCC have come up with several Album Chart Facts & Feats Lists for the Book, &

not one of them is based on the Top 100. The only parts of them that include Top 100

Data, are from 8th August 1981 to 14th January 1989, when the Chart actually was

published as a Top 100, in the Media. (For example, 'Greatest Hits' by Queen, gained

62 Weeks between No.76 & No.100 for that period, but none of its Positions below No.75

have been counted since).

 

The OCC don't necessarily see the Top 100 as THE Chart - it seems that the Top 75 is

still what counts.

The Top 100 singles chart did officially begin on 8 January 1983. Prior to that the chart, from 08/08/81, was a top 75 plus 25 "Breakers" (Record Mirror listed these 25 records under the heading "Bubbling Under") listed in alphabetical not numerical (sales) order. From 08/01/83 the 25 Breakers or Bubbling Under records were then listed in numerical (sales) order 76-100 and formed part of the main chart that Gallup produced. As previously stated Music Week (and Record Mirror) did not grant this part of the chart official status since there were exclusion rules that removed some records with falling sales. Music Week used to publish the 76-100 part of the chart away from the main top 75 and Record Mirror at one stage listed them below the main top 75 but under a separate heading of "The Next 25" and didn't list weeks on chart for these records.

Edited March 7, 200916 yr by Robbie

Euro Music: I've found out what date CIN changed its name to The Official UK Charts Company - it was 1st October 2001.

Thanks for your reply, Robbie. I should have been clearer in my Post. You were referring to the Singles Chart

becoming a Top 100 in January 1983. I was referring to the ALBUM Chart becoming a Top 100 in August 1981.

So, we are actually both right.

 

As to why the entire Top 100 - Singles & Albums - are not used for Chart Book/Media purposes - I asked

someone I know, at The OCC, that very question, last Year. I was told that 'Music Week' does not want to

include the Top 100's. They are only prepared to make room for the Top 75's. Until 'MW' changes its mind

- if ever - the UK will carry on having Top 75's in that Magazine, & those 'MW' Charts will be used for UK

Chart Books.

 

I pointed out to, The OCC, that it seems really silly for the UK - 61 Million people - to have only Top 75's

counted by Chart Books & 'Music Week', when Countries with very small Populations have Top 100's as their

'Official' Charts. Ireland, for example - Official Top 100's, but only 4 Million people, & a tiny Record Market -

compared to the UK.

 

Anyhow, I know that the Facts & Feats Section in the Virgin Hit Albums Book, is based on the Top 75 only.

After the entire Album Top 100 was used for August 1981 to January 1989. It's a shame really.

Edited March 7, 200916 yr by zeus555

So basically as it stands now the official Single chart is only recognised as a top 75, I take it.

The Official Charts, (UK), are really the Top 75's, as far as Chart Books, & the UK Media are concerned.

The OCC would like the Chart to be a Top 100 - but, 'MW' are not interested in that idea. So, as a kind

of compromise - to Chart Fans - The OCC puts the Top 100 Singles & Albums on its Site. But, the Virgin

Singles & Albums Books, will continue to use the Top 75 only. The 2010 Virgin Singles Book will be based

on the Top 75 - not confining its Weeks On Chart to the Top 40 only, as the 2008 Edition did. Virgin seem

to have realised that it was a mistake to do that. The June 2009 Album Book is certainly based on the entire

Top 75.

Edited March 7, 200916 yr by zeus555