I guess it's one of those things of having to be there living up through it all. I could easily listen to Never Mind The Bollocks, yeah it's a great album but it doesn't mean a lot to me, whereas to someone who lived through the end of the 70's it would mean a lot more to them.

I guess it's one of those things of having to be there living up through it all. I could easily listen to Never Mind The Bollocks, yeah it's a great album but it doesn't mean a lot to me, whereas to someone who lived through the end of the 70's it would mean a lot more to them.

Yeah. Is there such thing as traditional punk though?

I mean like an album that mean a lot to us today.

Edited March 10, 200916 yr by funmaker11

I guess it's one of those things of having to be there living up through it all. I could easily listen to Never Mind The Bollocks, yeah it's a great album but it doesn't mean a lot to me, whereas to someone who lived through the end of the 70's it would mean a lot more to them.

 

exactly :)

 

take any music /movement out of its context and its much harder to understand. without a full understanding of life in mid 70's uk , punk loses its meaning. i can quite understand why many young people today regard punk as 'just a noise', i guess im as guilty as not 'getting' rock n roll which was before my time.

metal never did this, metal was always recriational music, dispite that 7 ages of rock programme claiming that metal has always been with us since conception, its influence on todays youth is very very minor. it was punk that championed political thinking, free thinking, equality for gays, blacks, women, it was punk that championed inovative fashions that are still around today... metals influence in those departments remains strictly minor.

 

Even the "Metal" bands that are overtly political - your Rage Against the Machine, your System of a Down, your Anthrax, your Amen, your Machine Head, etc - would say that they were influenced by Punk.... It's incredibly obvious when you listen to SOAD in particular, the righteous anger, the polemic, even most of the riffage, is pure Punk... Scott Ian of Anthrax was a HUGE fan of The Clash and the Pistols.....

 

Even the "Metal" bands that are overtly political - your Rage Against the Machine, your System of a Down, your Anthrax, your Amen, your Machine Head, etc - would say that they were influenced by Punk.... It's incredibly obvious when you listen to SOAD in particular, the righteous anger, the polemic, even most of the riffage, is pure Punk... Scott Ian of Anthrax was a HUGE fan of The Clash and the Pistols.....

 

well true, more recent metal acts have been political, i was thinking retro ones though!

well true, more recent metal acts have been political, i was thinking retro ones though!

Anthrax, Machine Head and Rage Against The Machine are retro.

Anthrax, Machine Head and Rage Against The Machine are retro.

 

but not 'original', i was refering to 70's 80's metal.

but not 'original', i was refering to 70's 80's metal.

 

But Anthrax ARE 80s metal mate... They've been around since about '83..... There were a lot of 80s Thrash acts who had a political dimension to them (obviously being influenced by the Punks granted), it was a direct response to Reagan/Bush Sr, the band Nuclear Assault raged against the Cold War escalations that Reagan initiated, Megadeth had similar concerns (the bands names MAY give you some clue as to what their concerns were :lol: similarly Punk bands chose names like Discharge or The Exploited)... The 80s Thrash acts hated Reagan as much as the modern acts such as SOAD hate Bush Jr....

But Anthrax ARE 80s metal mate...

And Machine Head has 2 ex Vio-lence members in it.

Don't forget Slayer ;)

all babes compared with purple/sabbath/zeppelin/maiden/gillan/rainbow/whitesnake/saxon..... need i go on?

all babes compared with purple/sabbath/zeppelin/maiden/gillan/rainbow/whitesnake/saxon..... need i go on?

They're still retro (as by your deffinition of anything before 00's).

all babes compared with purple/sabbath/zeppelin/maiden/gillan/rainbow/whitesnake/saxon..... need i go on?

 

John is absolutely correct though... You OWN definition of "retro" is anything pre-Y2K or mid-to-late 90s.... The likes of Anthrax, Megadeth, Metallica and Slayer almost certainly fit into this definition... I would say that any band who has been around for 25 years (as all these guys have done..) should be considered as "original" or very serious, credible and highly influential acts.. They simply would not have lasted as long as they have if they weren't.... The likes of Page, Iommi, Hendrix, etc, redefined the Blues and did their own thing with it, and created Hard Rock/Metal.. Well, these 80s Thrash acts did a similar redefinition of Metal/Hard Rock, as did the Norwegian Black Metal bands in the early 90s, and the Rap/Funk Metal outfits (such as Faith No More, RHCP, Primus, Rage, etc), the Prog Metal outfits (Tool, Anathema, Opeth, Mastodon)....

 

I can't say... I really like both of them pretty equally.

Hi Guys...new to the site. Saw the Punk V Metal and had to have my say.

The Punk movement back in the late 70's...it's in your blood, it's not a fad like the crap nowadays. In 30 years time, are people gonna be talking about Green day, Blink, Dragon force...Nah, didn't think so.

Not knocking anyone who likes this, we're all different. But Punk, I was a teen when it started and now in my 40's am still passionate about the music...so much so I had to start a band (3 years ago now) and am now spreading the words of the Pistols, Clash, SLF etc....across Norfolk and Suffolk.

Incase there is any doubt which way I voted....Punk...pure aggresive meaningful energy

Nuff said.

Maz

John is absolutely correct though... You OWN definition of "retro" is anything pre-Y2K or mid-to-late 90s.... The likes of Anthrax, Megadeth, Metallica and Slayer almost certainly fit into this definition... I would say that any band who has been around for 25 years (as all these guys have done..) should be considered as "original" or very serious, credible and highly influential acts.. They simply would not have lasted as long as they have if they weren't.... The likes of Page, Iommi, Hendrix, etc, redefined the Blues and did their own thing with it, and created Hard Rock/Metal.. Well, these 80s Thrash acts did a similar redefinition of Metal/Hard Rock, as did the Norwegian Black Metal bands in the early 90s, and the Rap/Funk Metal outfits (such as Faith No More, RHCP, Primus, Rage, etc), the Prog Metal outfits (Tool, Anathema, Opeth, Mastodon)....

 

thats the definition for the retro forum, stop being pedantic you know exactly what im on about <_<

Hi Guys...new to the site. Saw the Punk V Metal and had to have my say.

The Punk movement back in the late 70's...it's in your blood, it's not a fad like the crap nowadays. In 30 years time, are people gonna be talking about Green day, Blink, Dragon force...Nah, didn't think so.

Not knocking anyone who likes this, we're all different. But Punk, I was a teen when it started and now in my 40's am still passionate about the music...so much so I had to start a band (3 years ago now) and am now spreading the words of the Pistols, Clash, SLF etc....across Norfolk and Suffolk.

Incase there is any doubt which way I voted....Punk...pure aggresive meaningful energy

Nuff said.

Maz

First of all, Welcome to Buzzjack (BJ)! :welcome: :D

Dragonforce is not punk though. <_<

 

Sums it all up i think :D

^ I like that song. I like Classico more. :lol:

thats the definition for the retro forum, stop being pedantic you know exactly what im on about <_<

 

How am I being "pedantic"....? You yourself set the definition for Retro forum, therefore it must be an extension of your own beliefs about what defines "retro"... Otherwise, why make the definition of "retro" in the manner that you did....?

 

I would say anything from the 80s can now be defined as "retro", we've seen plenty of examples in the media, in film, tv shows, music, etc of 80s retro revivalism, look at shows such as "Ashes to Ashes", and the many films that are now being made with 80s music sountracks, and bands that exist now such as White Lies, Interpol and Coldplay, ALL taking ideas from the 80s, metal acts such as Dragonforce, Marilyn Manson, The Birthday Massacre, Nightwish and Within Temptation also take ideas from the 80s...

 

Anything from the 80s, including the many, many Sleaze/Glam/Thrash/Black Metal acts that were around then, surely now MUST be considered "retro" or "old skool" acts, even if many of them are still making music today.....