Well basically there seems to eb some strong opinon's here about the existence of 'pop punk'.

 

so do you like it or not? and if you do or dont like it do you still consider it a form of 'punk'.

I don't mind pop-punk, as long as the songs are good. ^_^

I think it is quite a type of 'punk' as it influences 'punk'. Still it's 'pop'.

Edited March 14, 200916 yr by funmaker11

If by pop punk you mean the likes of blink182 etc... then NO!

"Pop Punk" is a total oxymoron in my opinion.... I mean, seriously, just what IS the real, fundamental difference in overall sound between bands such as Busted, McFly and Son of Dork, and supposedly "alternative" stuff like Blink 182, MCR, Good Charlotte, Fall Out Boy, The Rasmus, Sum 41 and most of Green Day's stuff....? I don't really detect much of a difference at all when you take away the bands' individual images from the equation tbh.... Seriously, FORGET the image and listen only to the music, listen to a well-known, popular track by each of these bands back to back, and really, there is virtually fukk all difference in the overall sound or style.....

 

So, for me, it's a big, fat NO on both questions.....

"Pop Punk" is a total oxymoron in my opinion....

Exactly, :heehee: Pop Punk is just pop music, played by a band/or artist with guitars.

 

Tbh, I don't think there really is such thing as Pop Punk..

One example,

 

 

What's Punk about that? :rofl:

hmmm..... pop music though has always been influenced by the current musical fashion, so where original bands played 'hard core' punk/rock/ska/trance whatever genre, there was always a pop group or ten to release pop music in that contemporary style.

 

but thats what i like about real pop, its variety of styles.

 

but even within hardcore punk there was disagreement with many hardcore punks rejecting the sex pistols, clash, damned etc in favour of heavy acts like crass.

 

ok im talking retro...but are things that different now? i dont think theres a clear defining line between the two, i think theres pop at one end and hardcore punk at the other end of a sliding scale.

........ oh and i think theres good and bad in all forms of music, so pop punk might be acceptable as pop and there can be both good and bad tracks.

hmmm I think alot of pop punk bands like Blink 182 have songs that could be considered JUST punk and others that are just punk but are really catchy and made to be commercial. I think the only difference is COMMERCIAL punk and UN COMMERCIAL punk. Blink 182 was very uncommercial with their first lps, but had a mix of both once they got signed to a major label.

 

But this could be said about alot of different genres. I love pop punk btw.

I had to write something similar to this for my Media Coursework and i dont think its to be considered as Punk but more as Pop? I think, like Tyler said, its just commercial Punk.. I was writing an essay on Pop/Rock and i said its considered to be pop music just with the influences of Rock which very much applies to this.. Pop music with the influence of Punk.

Pop punk is too whiny for me. It certainly leans a lot more towards pop than it does punk.

Pop Punk = Emo, pretty much..... :rolleyes:

but even within hardcore punk there was disagreement with many hardcore punks rejecting the sex pistols, clash, damned etc in favour of heavy acts like crass.

 

Hard Core is/was kind of a different strand though.... It's like, Heavy Metal/Thrash Metal.... Hardcore bands tended to be the likes of Crass, Bad Brains, DRI, Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, etc.... Then you had Straight-Edge Punk, such as Fugazi, etc, which had, at its core a commitment to a vegetarian and non-drinks/drugs lifestyle....

 

I had to write something similar to this for my Media Coursework and i dont think its to be considered as Punk but more as Pop? I think, like Tyler said, its just commercial Punk.. I was writing an essay on Pop/Rock and i said its considered to be pop music just with the influences of Rock which very much applies to this.. Pop music with the influence of Punk.

But the point is, punk is just a completely different term to what 'popular' is. The music, noisy guitars, the image, anarchy, etc.

I definitely consider pop punk...punk. Just because it has more of a pop sound to it doesn't mean it should be casted out.

But the point is, punk is just a completely different term to what 'popular' is. The music, noisy guitars, the image, anarchy, etc.

But as i said, the "pop" side of it is just influenced by punk, whether it be the music, the image whatever. Doesnt mean it has to be a carbon copy, it just takes elements from punk music/image and make it mainstream so yeah as Grimly said, Emo :lol:

I would consider what most people think of as 'pop punk' to be 'pop punk'. I really hate using genres to define music though because it makes music feel so narrow, as if you can categorize all bands ever into 100 something genres. I prefer compairing bands to the sound of other bands, something real, rather than trying to define them using some arbitrary word.

I would consider what most people think of as 'pop punk' to be 'pop punk'. I really hate using genres to define music though because it makes music feel so narrow, as if you can categorize all bands ever into 100 something genres. I prefer compairing bands to the sound of other bands, something real, rather than trying to define them using some arbitrary word.

 

It's actually a case of both if you think about it.... Bands have influences, but they also operate within a genre... Genres do help as a guide, obvioiusly they dont explain absolutely 100%, I mean, a band such as Tool or Opeth are not simply "Metal" bands, and Nine Inch Nails are certainly not simply "Industrial", but those generic genre descriptions do help to give the casual listener a rough sense of whereabouts the bands are coming from....

 

I wouldn't call any of the bands mentioned here Pop-Punk :lol: Punk is a million miles away from any of their music.

Busted and McFly are pure 100% pop.

 

Fall Out Boy, MCR all those types of bands I'd class as Pop-Rock. The music is purely pop but it does have elements of a harder sound than what is considered to be commerical, mainstream, bubblegum pop music. But at the same time it's not like they're producing massive hand banging, metal anthems.

 

Pop weaves its way into all the genres. Look at how a lot of successful pop songs today have hints of RNB & even Hip-Hop to them. A lot of these acts are just sort of stuck in a huge little pit in between a variety of different genres. They don't fit anywhere because they're not really one extreme.

 

That's just my take anyway and maybe I could've worded it better but I'm tired so meh.

Fall Out Boy, MCR all those types of bands I'd class as Pop-Rock. The music is purely pop but it does have elements of a harder sound than what is considered to be commerical, mainstream, bubblegum pop music. But at the same time it's not like they're producing massive hand banging, metal anthems.

 

Nah, it's more about the image mate... You take that away, and really, you'd be hard pressed to notice any meaningful difference between MCR, Fall Out Boy or McFly.... Look at The Rasmus.... They changed their fukkin' clothes, gave their hair a black rinse, and all of sudden, people started saying they were all "Goffick" just cos they ripped off HIM's style/image...... I swear man, you give MCR bottle-blonde dye jobs, and make them wear "casual" clothes, you'll hardly even notice the difference between them and McFly.....LOL...