well thank god im not a neanderthal with entrenched, outdated and just plain STUPID notions as that!

 

Well, sorry, but I make absolutely no apologies for my hatred of rich, obnoxious berks like Caine who cant keep their fukkin' mouths shut when it's clear that they've benefitted greatly from the support of ordinary working class folk who pay to see his films..... No audience, no pay day, simple as, he's NOTHING without us, we OWN him, and all the others like him in the music, media and film industry..... :rolleyes:

 

But I notice that the vast majority of people in those industries actually know they're well off and actually just pay their taxes and just shut up about it.....

According to this report, the likes of Caine had better get used to the 50% tax rate for some considerable time to come..... :rolleyes:

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Bankers made 'astonishing mess'

Source BBC News, May 1st

 

The effects of the continuing banking crisis will be felt for generations, a committee of MPs has warned.

 

The Treasury committee, in its second report on the crisis, said it had been caused largely by the banks' own reckless behaviour.

 

"Bankers have made an astonishing mess of the financial system," said committee chairman John McFall.

 

The MPs supported the various attempts of the government to bail out the banks and to shore up the banking system.

 

But they criticised banks for increasing their charges and fees to small business borrowers.

 

The MPs are showing due deference to the governor of the Bank of England. They won't dismiss his view "lightly". But nor do they sign up for it

 

"The culture within parts of British banking has increasingly been one of risk-taking, leading to the meltdown that we have witnessed," said Mr McFall.

 

The MPs said they favoured greater regulation to protect bank depositors. And they called for further consideration of the idea of separating High Street retail banking from the more commercially risky investment banking.

 

They supported the government's approach of taking a direct stake in banks that were being rescued with the help of taxpayers' money.

 

John McFall MP: Prudence 'was missing'

 

But the MPs said that the details of the bank investments being guaranteed under the recently launched asset protection scheme should be disclosed, with the public being told what the assets are, how much they are worth and how much value they might eventually lose.

 

"The repercussions of this banking crisis are being felt, and will continue to be felt, by ordinary people for many generations," Mr McFall said.

 

"Looking to the future, the rebuilding of consumer trust is key."

 

Small business lending

 

As well as criticising the behaviour of banks in the past few years leading up to the start of the international financial crisis, the MPs also criticised their current lending polices.

 

The MPs held several sessions outside London and they were told that, contrary to the claims now being made by banks, many small businesses were finding it very hard to obtain loans, except with much higher charges and fees.

 

The committee deplores the behaviour of a number of those banks who have received so much public money and behaved in such an insensitive manner

 

"The committee deplores the behaviour of a number of those banks who have received so much public money and behaved in such an insensitive manner, particularly to established customers," said Mr McFall.

 

"There is clearly an unresolved inconsistency between, on the one hand, bankers' assurances that they are increasing their lending and, on the other hand, widespread and clearly sincere complaints that credit is difficult to obtain and increasingly expensive," he said.

 

The British Bankers Association (BBA) replied that anecdotal evidence from disgruntled bank customers having a hard time in the recession had not given the MPs an accurate picture.

 

Figures on Friday from the BBA showed that lending by High Street banks to small businesses rose by£271m in March.

 

"The stock of lending to small businesses is around 5% higher than a year ago and has risen in each of the first three months of 2009, reflecting general banking support and individual bank pledges to make finance available," said BBA statistics director David Dooks.

 

Deposits by small businesses grew £881m in March.

 

One organisation praised by the MPs was the Financial Services Compensation Scheme (FSCS).

 

The committee said the scheme had developed a number of "innovative solutions" to deal with the collapse of several banks in the UK.

 

But the MPs said banks should make it clear to their customers exactly which of their subsidiaries carried separate deposit protection.

 

And they recommended that each brand name run by a bank should have a separate banking licence, which would trigger such cover.

 

The committee also appears to be showing due deference to the governor of the Bank of England, says BBC business editor Robert Peston.

 

They will not dismiss his view that a separation of retail from investment banking functions is very attractive, but nor do they sign up for it, our correspondent says.

 

Well, sorry, but I make absolutely no apologies for my hatred of rich, obnoxious berks like Caine who cant keep their fukkin' mouths shut when it's clear that they've benefitted greatly from the support of ordinary working class folk who pay to see his films..... No audience, no pay day, simple as, he's NOTHING without us, we OWN him, and all the others like him in the music, media and film industry..... :rolleyes:

 

But I notice that the vast majority of people in those industries actually know they're well off and actually just pay their taxes and just shut up about it.....

 

a dislike of disingenuous people is fair enough, but to hate the rich simply because they are rich is a stupid prejudice and one that you wouldnt make against a black person or muslim, double standards...oh hold on, its the english white you anglophobes hate <_<. i know several well off people who are normal, down to earth honest fellows, so to tar all rich buggers with the same brush is stupid...

 

by the way... kate bush is rich, so is johnny rotten, you hate them too? do we 'own' them? :lol:... i bet they are just as pissed off with keeping layabouts in booze and fags as caine (and the rest of us) are. and THATS the point, regardless of other points..thats a different argument, or are you happy keeping benefits scum in dope/drink/fags (just watch jeremy kyle to know where the moneys going).

 

 

a dislike of disingenuous people is fair enough, but to hate the rich simply because they are rich is a stupid prejudice and one that you wouldnt make against a black person or muslim, double standards...oh hold on, its the english white you anglophobes hate <_<.

 

Oh fukk off with that you overly-sensitive prat.... I hate Sean Connery JUST as much as I hate Caine...... Fukkin' tw@t buggers off, lives as a tax exile in Marbella and thinks he can lecture ME in what being Scottish is.... HE can fukk off too...... <_<

 

And dont get me started on that dipsh!t Australian Catholic supremacist prick Mel Gibson.....

by the way... kate bush is rich, so is johnny rotten, you hate them too? do we 'own' them? :lol

 

If Johnny Rotten were to come out and diss the poor the way Caine has, trust me, I'll be every bit as critical of him as I am of Caine, but somehow, I dont think he ever would.... And frankly I have issues with Lydon anyway tbh, his pathetic attempts to reclaim his former glory with these Sex Pistols comeback tours are just completely embarrassing and musically pointless...... Frankly, there'd be more mileage in reforming PiL, the Pistols are NEVER gonna record another album, whereas, PiL probably could, there's a lot more scope for a serious comeback with PiL rather than the Pistols, which is just "cashing in" from where I stand......

 

And, er, I dont think Kate Bush ever HAS said anything all that politically controversial in her entire career, I certainly dont remember it anyway..... She seems to maintain a dignified silence on such matters..... Hmmm, Bono and Sting could learn a thing or two from her example..... :rolleyes:

 

And, like I said, the majority of "rich celebs" are indeed maintaining a silence about it, because they KNOW they're still well off regardless.... I have to say I did find Kate Winslett's comments about being "working class and proud" rather amusing.... But at least she wasn't being an obnoxious prat about it..... More than likely she doesn't want to be associated with the suburbanite, Middle-Class superiority "we're better than you..." complex.....

 

 

The NHS IT system is a good enough idea in principle. However, as an IT consultant, I'm appalled at the amount of money that has been spent on it. It doesn't seem to have been the subject of a proper feasibility study for starters. The whole thing was too ambitious to try to deliver the whole thing in one go. It should have been developed in stages with allowances being made for advances in technology.

 

I've been involved with plenty of projects (including the one I'm working on at the moment) where nobody has had the courage to go to senior management and say "it can't be done in the time you've given us". My guess is that that's what has happened here. Anyone working on it would have known it was too ambitious but I suspect nobody had the courage to tell the senior civil servants or the ministers involved.

Well, sorry, but I make absolutely no apologies for my hatred of rich, obnoxious berks like Caine who cant keep their fukkin' mouths shut

 

So what you're saying is that if you're rich, and a berk, then you are not allowed to express an opinion on things, unless its on unimportant trivia. Whereas if your politics are left of centre or you're poor you can say what you flipping like.

 

Scott, where do you stand exactly on rich people, per se? Are you against anyone being rich, or do you tolerate them as long as they keep quiet.

 

I noticed recently that Arsene Wenger the Arsenal manager suggested that the 50% rate would lead to less foreign footballers coming here, I thought that would be a good idea actually, then more Brits would get a game in the top teams :lol: .

 

Are you suggesting there should be a maximum wage like there is a minimum wage(I would agree with that for Bankers :D ), surely if you are clever and can earn lots of money that is everyone's choice. I don't mind wealthy actors or singers if they have talent. I do object to bankers taking huge bonuses for being incompetent, or MP's syphoning off tax free expenses.

 

If we cannot esteem to better ourselves, and to earn more money on the way, then surely you are advocating pure communism. They tried that in China, N Korea and Cuba. It doesn't work, everyone ends up poor. What is the point of education, if people don't try to learn things to get them a better job. Do you not work in a University, surely students going there want a good career at the end of years of study.

 

So as much as I have my disgust for certain "rich" people I have no problems with others.

 

As I have said in a previous reply the rich will avoid it anyway, as this article shows:

 

Accountants say surge in wealthy clients trying to avoid 50pc tax

 

Tax advisors said that they were receiving far more calls than normal in the wake of the Budget, as people earning more than £150,000 a year contacted them in an attempt to avoid the controversial new top limit.

 

While many, especially the super-wealthy, are considering leaving the country, others nearer the tax limit are already planning less drastic ways of reducing their tax bills.

 

Mike Warburton, senior tax partner at Grant Thornton, said: "It is going to be a boom business for accountants. There is nothing like a big tax bill to get clients to talk to their adviser."

 

Gary Heynes, head of private clients at Baker Tilly, said: "High earners have accountants. That's the nature of earning lots of money. And many of our clients are worried and unhappy."

 

HM Revenue and Customs estimates there are 290,000 people who earned more than £150,000 last year.

 

There is no straightforward way for these high earners to avoid paying tax of 50 per cent on their earnings above £150,000 when the new rules come into force in a year's time. However, accountants are advising clients on a variety of options.

 

Accountants say there is no easy way for high earnings to avoid paying 50p on earnings over £150,000, but these could be options.

 

1. If you own, or have a stake in a company, pay yourself in dividends – if the company can afford it. Dividends for top-rate taxpayers will be taxed at 36 per cent from next year.

 

2. Ask to be given share options in your company, which will give you the ability to book a profit – if the shares go up – and be taxed at the capital gains rate of 18 per cent.

 

3. If you are self-employed incorporate yourself as a company and pay tax of between 21 per cent and 28 per cent on any profits you make.

 

4. If you are a partner in a firm, be it an architect or lawyer, make sure you appoint a “corporate partner” into which can be booked spare profits. You will still need to pay individual income tax of 50 per cent, but the firm’s profits that are reinvested back into the company will be taxed at 28 per cent, not 50 per cent.

 

Source: Daily Telegraph

 

 

But he was perfectly happy to pay 60% tax under the Tories for nine years before they finally cut it to the ridiculously low rate of 40%.

In answer to this reply the reason they were happy to pay 60% in the 1980's, was it was 38% less than Labour was charging them in the 1970's.

 

All the detractors of the rich paying the 50% or leaving the Country, have failed to say how you would square the circle of the shortfall in tax paid if they do leave the Country. Since Broon & Darling will not cut spending they will have to raise the cash from somewhere?

 

Charge zero tax, and you’ll have no revenue. Charge 100 per cent tax, and no one will work.

As I have said in a previous reply the rich will avoid it anyway, as this article shows:

 

Accountants say surge in wealthy clients trying to avoid 50pc tax

 

Tax advisors said that they were receiving far more calls than normal in the wake of the Budget, as people earning more than £150,000 a year contacted them in an attempt to avoid the controversial new top limit.

 

While many, especially the super-wealthy, are considering leaving the country, others nearer the tax limit are already planning less drastic ways of reducing their tax bills.

 

Mike Warburton, senior tax partner at Grant Thornton, said: "It is going to be a boom business for accountants. There is nothing like a big tax bill to get clients to talk to their adviser."

 

Gary Heynes, head of private clients at Baker Tilly, said: "High earners have accountants. That's the nature of earning lots of money. And many of our clients are worried and unhappy."

 

HM Revenue and Customs estimates there are 290,000 people who earned more than £150,000 last year.

 

There is no straightforward way for these high earners to avoid paying tax of 50 per cent on their earnings above £150,000 when the new rules come into force in a year's time. However, accountants are advising clients on a variety of options.

 

Absolutely - and the crux of the argument against what Scott is saying. I bet one hell of a lot of the rich that he (and no doubt many others) respect are taking this "silent" route away from what they see as a threat to their wealth.

 

The answer? To put an end to tax havens and create a global economy akin to the communist ideal. Chances of this occurring in reality? Zero.

 

In short - minimum wage works, maximum wage is unworkable in an un-nationalized society, but pure communism fails - does anyone have the balls or power to enforce a compromise? No!

 

If Johnny Rotten were to come out and diss the poor the way Caine has, trust me, I'll be every bit as critical of him as I am of Caine, but somehow, I dont think he ever would.... And frankly I have issues with Lydon anyway tbh, his pathetic attempts to reclaim his former glory with these Sex Pistols comeback tours are just completely embarrassing and musically pointless...... Frankly, there'd be more mileage in reforming PiL, the Pistols are NEVER gonna record another album, whereas, PiL probably could, there's a lot more scope for a serious comeback with PiL rather than the Pistols, which is just "cashing in" from where I stand......

 

And, er, I dont think Kate Bush ever HAS said anything all that politically controversial in her entire career, I certainly dont remember it anyway..... She seems to maintain a dignified silence on such matters..... Hmmm, Bono and Sting could learn a thing or two from her example..... :rolleyes:

 

And, like I said, the majority of "rich celebs" are indeed maintaining a silence about it, because they KNOW they're still well off regardless.... I have to say I did find Kate Winslett's comments about being "working class and proud" rather amusing.... But at least she wasn't being an obnoxious prat about it..... More than likely she doesn't want to be associated with the suburbanite, Middle-Class superiority "we're better than you..." complex.....

 

...but you are missing the point

 

caine was NOT 'dissing' the poor, he was 'dissing' the LAYABOUTS, the feckless chavs who are career benefit cheats/scammers, and he is right to do so, surely even you cannot disagree with that!!! ffs.

 

So what you're saying is that if you're rich, and a berk, then you are not allowed to express an opinion on things, unless its on unimportant trivia. Whereas if your politics are left of centre or you're poor you can say what you flipping like.

 

Scott, where do you stand exactly on rich people, per se? Are you against anyone being rich, or do you tolerate them as long as they keep quiet.

 

I noticed recently that Arsene Wenger the Arsenal manager suggested that the 50% rate would lead to less foreign footballers coming here, I thought that would be a good idea actually, then more Brits would get a game in the top teams :lol: .

 

Are you suggesting there should be a maximum wage like there is a minimum wage(I would agree with that for Bankers :D ), surely if you are clever and can earn lots of money that is everyone's choice. I don't mind wealthy actors or singers if they have talent. I do object to bankers taking huge bonuses for being incompetent, or MP's syphoning off tax free expenses.

 

If we cannot esteem to better ourselves, and to earn more money on the way, then surely you are advocating pure communism. They tried that in China, N Korea and Cuba. It doesn't work, everyone ends up poor. What is the point of education, if people don't try to learn things to get them a better job. Do you not work in a University, surely students going there want a good career at the end of years of study.

 

So as much as I have my disgust for certain "rich" people I have no problems with others.

 

As I have said in a previous reply the rich will avoid it anyway, as this article shows:

 

Accountants say surge in wealthy clients trying to avoid 50pc tax

 

Tax advisors said that they were receiving far more calls than normal in the wake of the Budget, as people earning more than £150,000 a year contacted them in an attempt to avoid the controversial new top limit.

 

While many, especially the super-wealthy, are considering leaving the country, others nearer the tax limit are already planning less drastic ways of reducing their tax bills.

 

Mike Warburton, senior tax partner at Grant Thornton, said: "It is going to be a boom business for accountants. There is nothing like a big tax bill to get clients to talk to their adviser."

 

Gary Heynes, head of private clients at Baker Tilly, said: "High earners have accountants. That's the nature of earning lots of money. And many of our clients are worried and unhappy."

 

HM Revenue and Customs estimates there are 290,000 people who earned more than £150,000 last year.

 

There is no straightforward way for these high earners to avoid paying tax of 50 per cent on their earnings above £150,000 when the new rules come into force in a year's time. However, accountants are advising clients on a variety of options.

 

Accountants say there is no easy way for high earnings to avoid paying 50p on earnings over £150,000, but these could be options.

 

1. If you own, or have a stake in a company, pay yourself in dividends – if the company can afford it. Dividends for top-rate taxpayers will be taxed at 36 per cent from next year.

 

2. Ask to be given share options in your company, which will give you the ability to book a profit – if the shares go up – and be taxed at the capital gains rate of 18 per cent.

 

3. If you are self-employed incorporate yourself as a company and pay tax of between 21 per cent and 28 per cent on any profits you make.

 

4. If you are a partner in a firm, be it an architect or lawyer, make sure you appoint a “corporate partner” into which can be booked spare profits. You will still need to pay individual income tax of 50 per cent, but the firm’s profits that are reinvested back into the company will be taxed at 28 per cent, not 50 per cent.

 

Source: Daily Telegraph

In answer to this reply the reason they were happy to pay 60% in the 1980's, was it was 38% less than Labour was charging them in the 1970's.

 

All the detractors of the rich paying the 50% or leaving the Country, have failed to say how you would square the circle of the shortfall in tax paid if they do leave the Country. Since Broon & Darling will not cut spending they will have to raise the cash from somewhere?

 

Charge zero tax, and you’ll have no revenue. Charge 100 per cent tax, and no one will work.

 

So, these fukkin' morons are gonna pay a bunch of accountants and financial advisors x amount of money to squirrel their money away rather than just use the money thyey'd spend hiring these people on just paying the tax.... Completely illogical....

 

My attitude towards the rich is simple - they should realise that they're well off and quite whining about it and blaming the poor, or else actually realise what're really happened and criticise the actual guilty parties - ie, the bankers, the politicians, etc..... And also recognise the fact that 40% was always an artificially low amount of tax to pay in the first place (and many, to their credit, actually DO recognise this and have no problem with the rise).... 50% is simply putting right a wrong that should never have happened in the first place, and it only occured because the Tories wanted to suck up to the rich and then turned around and absolutely hammered the poorest in society with VAT rises and Stealth Taxes..... Sorry, that's NOT a fair system of taxation in my book..... The facts are, I used to have some respect for Caine, but now because of his comments, which tar ALL the unemployed with the same brush - the ones who've lost their jobs due to the recession as well as the "layabout chavs", he doesn't make a clear distinction between the two - he can just fukk off as far as I'm concerned, he's just another complacent, arrogant rich tosser....

 

Frankly, I would stop all these people leaving the country, seriously, I would.... I'd take their fukkin' passports away to avoid them becoming tax exiles.... How DARE they stay with us for the "good" times and then want to desert like rats from a sinking ship when things start going bad for everyone, the poor certainly dont have the luxury of avoiding the huge tax hikes that have happened to them, the rich shouldn't be allowed to either... These fukkin' bankers and City c/unts I'd force them to work for minimum wage until the debt's paid off frankly, and whatever profits they make on any deals gets ploughed straight back into the economy to pay off that huge, crippling debt this country now faces because of them..... Of course any new people going into that industry wouldn't be subject to the same rules, but they would almost certainly be aware of the fact that an example has been made so they may think twice about entering into incredibly dodgy financial scams such as CDOs....

...but you are missing the point

 

caine was NOT 'dissing' the poor, he was 'dissing' the LAYABOUTS, the feckless chavs who are career benefit cheats/scammers,

 

No, YOU'RE missing the point Rob.... You quoted Mr Caine as saying...."im 76, i get up at 6 am to support the 3.5 million layabouts on benefits"...

 

So, he's effectively saying that every single person on the dole is fiddling or a layabout.... WHAT ABSOLUTE FUKKIN' COCK...... <_<

 

With that comment, he makes absolutely NO distinction whatsoever between the scummy Chavs who've NEVER worked and the folks who've been unfortunate as to have lost a job due to the bloody recession, people like several of MY MATES who are now on the dole because of the Credit Crunch/Recession and most definitely ARE actively looking for work, as well as the number of graduates this year who are facing an extremely uphill struggle to find a job, the level of graduate unemployment is at record level mate.. Are these people "layabouts" as well...? FUKK OFF, they didn't exactly go through uni for three or four years to bloody languish on the dole you prat..... :angry: And dont come back to me with "oh, but he wasn't including those", that's just utter bollocks mate, he very clearly does NOT make that distinction in his comments, he tars ALL the unemployed with the same brush..... Oh, and by the way, the fact that he makes no distinctions means he's ALSO including physically and mentally disabled people who claim benefits also, so, his comments are actually borderline OFFENSIVE to me as someone who works with disabled students, who are now going to find it even harder than ever to find a decent job when they graduate.... Yeah, "layabouts" eh.....?

 

All Caine had to do was say "I get up at 6 am to support these bloody Chavs who've never done a day's bloody work in their lives"... Now THAT I could get behind because we all KNOW what Chavs are and what a bunch of fukkin' parasitical b'astards they are... But that aint what he said, so, he can p!ss off and die.....

The answer? To put an end to tax havens and create a global economy akin to the communist ideal. Chances of this occurring in reality? Zero.

 

In short - minimum wage works, maximum wage is unworkable in an un-nationalized society, but pure communism fails - does anyone have the balls or power to enforce a compromise? No!

 

Ending "Tax Havens" doesn't necessarily necessitate a Global Communist idea mate.... It's simply a matter of ENFORCING THE BLOODY LAW EFFECTIVELY in a lot of cases, and letting the likes of Interpol off the bureaucratic leash that's hamstrung them in order that they can more effectively pursue these people and freeze/seize their assets...... Frankly, I'd make it an international law that it be illegal for people not permanently residing in a country to have a bank account there..... That would effectively end Tax haven in the likes of the Caymans, Jersey, Luxembourg or Switzerland..... These countries sure as hell aint gonna be able to cope with literally MILLIONS of new residents are they....? Let's see how easy it would be for the rich to shuffle their assets around in order to avoid tax then....

 

it can certainly be done, but, as you say, no one actually has the BALLS to do it.. Which is may whole problem, the laws protect the rich WAY too much and dont protect the poor nearly enough..... Time for a change imo...... The facts are, pursuing these bloody Super Rich and Corporate Tax Avoiders to the full extent of international law would probaly negate the necessity for putting taxes up.....

 

A person on the dole who does an odd-job for cash in hand, no questions asked gets royally rogered up the arse, but nothing ever happens to the super rich who very blatantly avoid taxes year after year.... Something VERY wrong with that imo..... <_<

Well, sorry, but I make absolutely no apologies for my hatred of rich, obnoxious berks like Caine who cant keep their fukkin' mouths shut when it's clear that they've benefitted greatly from the support of ordinary working class folk who pay to see his films..... No audience, no pay day, simple as, he's NOTHING without us, we OWN him, and all the others like him in the music, media and film industry..... :rolleyes:

 

But I notice that the vast majority of people in those industries actually know they're well off and actually just pay their taxes and just shut up about it.....

 

Michael Caine's a foul, big-mouthed, rancid Tory twerp who, for some mindboggling reason, is held in esteem in this country as a 'great actor' (despite not putting in a single excellent performance in ANY of his movies - even the 2 he's known for - throughout his dull and bland career).

 

Him, like Phil Collins before him, is more than welcome to exit Britain.... after all, he'll hardly be missed wherever he goes (maybe a one-way ticket to Afghanistan?), and I don't think anyone will be hounding him to star in any blockbusters anyway, do you?

 

Be gone.

Michael Caine's a foul, big-mouthed, rancid Tory twerp who, for some mindboggling reason, is held in esteem in this country as a 'great actor' (despite not putting in a single excellent performance in ANY of his movies - even the 2 he's known for - throughout his dull and bland career).

 

Him, like Phil Collins before him, is more than welcome to exit Britain.... after all, he'll hardly be missed wherever he goes (maybe a one-way ticket to Afghanistan?), and I don't think anyone will be hounding him to star in any blockbusters anyway, do you?

 

Be gone.

 

Spot on....

 

Personally, I thought his performances in "Get Carter", "Alfie" and "Ipcress File" were all good, and of course the legendary "You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off" moment in "The Italian Job" (but even here, it's really Noel Coward who shone in that film, imo....), but apart from his work in the 60s and early 70s, you're correct, genuinely great performances are pretty thin on the ground...... He's more existed on his reputation than any really great ability on his part....

 

And, oh god, thanks for reminding me of that other obnoxious, patronising tw@t, Phil Collins..... :rolleyes:

Ending "Tax Havens" doesn't necessarily necessitate a Global Communist idea mate.... It's simply a matter of ENFORCING THE BLOODY LAW EFFECTIVELY in a lot of cases, and letting the likes of Interpol off the bureaucratic leash that's hamstrung them in order that they can more effectively pursue these people and freeze/seize their assets...... Frankly, I'd make it an international law that it be illegal for people not permanently residing in a country to have a bank account there..... That would effectively end Tax haven in the likes of the Caymans, Jersey, Luxembourg or Switzerland..... These countries sure as hell aint gonna be able to cope with literally MILLIONS of new residents are they....? Let's see how easy it would be for the rich to shuffle their assets around in order to avoid tax then....

That's completely impractical. What about someone who, for instance, lives in Northern Ireland and works in the republic of Ireland?

 

That's completely impractical. What about someone who, for instance, lives in Northern Ireland and works in the republic of Ireland?

 

Well, er, howabout unifying Ireland....? :lol: :lol:

 

Besides, what's your idea for getting rid of off-shore taxhavens and stoppign the super-rich from evading tax then, if you dont like my suggestion....?

Well, er, howabout unifying Ireland....? :lol: :lol:

 

Besides, what's your idea for getting rid of off-shore taxhavens and stoppign the super-rich from evading tax then, if you dont like my suggestion....?

Believe me, I'm just as opposed to the use of tax havens as anybody. A combination of the world economic situation and the arrival of Barack Obama mean that there is at least a chance of international action on this matter because that's what is needed.

 

 

the arrival of Barack Obama mean that there is at least a chance of international action on this matter because that's what is needed.

 

Er, not sure I'd put that much faith in Obama mate... He's already rather copped out of putting people from the Bush admin and the CIA on trial for torture in GITMO, so I dunno mate, MY 'jury' is rather out on him tbh.....

 

Er, not sure I'd put that much faith in Obama mate... He's already rather copped out of putting people from the Bush admin and the CIA on trial for torture in GITMO, so I dunno mate, MY 'jury' is rather out on him tbh.....

I'm not holding my breath but there's a better chance with Obama than there ever was with the imbecile before him.

I'm not holding my breath but there's a better chance with Obama than there ever was with the imbecile before him.

 

A bunch of drunken chimps could've made a better job of the economy than Dubya...... Or, arguably, Broon and Darling..... :rolleyes: They'd certainly be a bit better at simple arithmetic........ Darling seems to think that going from -3.5% growth to +3.5% growth is actually achievable in under two years, he doesn't seem to realise that to achieve that the UK economy actually has to spike by 7% in real terms, growing by 3.5% would just get us back to 0%........ROFLMAO.......

 

....So, the Inebriated Chimpanzee Party gets MY vote at the next election...... :lol:

 

I love the title of comedian Mark Thomas' current tour - "It's the Stupid Economy"..... :lol: