They were indeed worthy winners with Patience. I remember watching the show. Their segment was simple but striking with the lighting back ground. TT's strongest period was around 2006 - 2009. They seemed invincible around that time. I also remember when they won with Shine; totally unexpected as they were up against Leona Lewis with BL which I think was the highest selling single of that year?

Strange to think that two of their strongest singles in recent times: RTW and TF never received nominations due to the fact that they only reached No. 2 in the charts I believe. This despite the fact that in terms of sales and air play RTW was up there at the top.

It's possible Jeff Lynne could receive a nod for LTA award next year and quite possible that TT never receive that accolade. Not to put too negative a spin on things but it's also feasible that TT wont win another Brit. New artists are taking precedence and the music industry is mindful of young listeners. Unless TT can recapture their winning formula the Brits will quite happily over look them in favour of far less talented artists in my view.

 

 

I, for one, believe that III (bar Hey Boy) is far superior to 25. If 25 - that got the same kind of reviews that III did - could win 4 Brits, surely TT could at least have been nominated.

Anyway, the point I was making was that, if III wasn't eligible in 2014, then 25 shouldn't have been eligible this year, that simple. It's just a matter of principle.

I guess TT would have to die to get a shot at some acknowledgement from these snobs. :angry:

Adele's record actually got very mixed reviews, but the media haven't mentioned that...

 

I remember Robbie got a lifetime award back before he rejoined TT. With that in mind I would expect TT to get one sooner rather than later.

The difference between 25 and lll are the sales figures. World wide figures aside, in the UK lll achieved decent sales whilst 25 sales were excellent. Money talks in the music industry and TT aren't selling enough to receive nominations and don't fit the 'cool' or 'critically acclaimed' criteria. I do think that if the re-leased version had sold better there was an outside chance of an album nomination. Hey Boy was a terrible, terrible choice to showcase the album.

 

That aside, can you imagine the public outcry if Adele hadn't received any nominations; whereas TT aren't in the forefront of the public's mind any longer. lll was received with a wimper as opposed to a bang, with very little hype or interest. Adele's album was eagerly awaited and hyped to the seventh degree - it's as simply as that. Marketing and promotion is so, so important in today's market, although I get the feeling Adele could have brought out an album of nursery rhymes and she would have been perceived as the second coming. :)

 

The Brits make it up as they go along simply to fit their own ends. TT have never been flavour of the month and that's certainly not going to change now their star is on the wane.

The difference between 25 and lll are the sales figures. World wide figures aside, in the UK lll achieved decent sales whilst 25 sales were excellent. Money talks in the music industry and TT aren't selling enough to receive nominations and don't fit the 'cool' or 'critically acclaimed' criteria. I do think that if the re-leased version had sold better there was an outside chance of an album nomination. Hey Boy was a terrible, terrible choice to showcase the album.

 

That aside, can you imagine the public outcry if Adele hadn't received any nominations; whereas TT aren't in the forefront of the public's mind any longer. lll was received with a wimper as opposed to a bang, with very little hype or interest. Adele's album was eagerly awaited and hyped to the seventh degree - it's as simply as that. Marketing and promotion is so, so important in today's market, although I get the feeling Adele could have brought out an album of nursery rhymes and she would have been perceived as the second coming. :)

 

The Brits make it up as they go along simply to fit their own ends. TT have never been flavour of the month and that's certainly not going to change now their star is on the wane.

 

I get this. But my point was that, if the same rules apply to everyone, Adele's album should have been up for nominations and awards in 2017. That's all. I realize that, in the industry, money talks and sales are almighty, but, if there are some formal rules of organization, I would expect them to be applied to everyone. III didn' t qualify for the Brits in 2015, because it was brought out too late in 2014 (or so they said); therefore, anyone would assume that, if Adele released her album in November/December 2015, then it shouldn't be eligible for the 2016 Brits. They could have given her all the awards they wanted, as far as I'm concerned (not that I believe that 25 is worthy of that many accolades), as long as they respected the rules and did it in 2017. That's what really makes me angry, not so much the fact that TT have been unjustly snubbed.

You're actually right; they seem to make the "rules" as they go along.

To be fair, for me, III is holding up quite well and I'm now sure I like it better than BW, for the simple fact that it sounds more mature and less neutral.

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Oh, Milly, for me BW is the benchmark for all their albums from now on in. Very few fillers, lovely melodies and harmonies and some stand out singles. It is very middle of the road but that doesn't seem to have damaged Adele. The Brits found it virtually impossible to ignore TT when Patience and Shine came out because the quality of the work was so good. If I remember they also received the award for Best Live Act for the BW tour - but I stand corrected if I'm mistaken on this.

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In my opinion the only chance TT now have of receiving Brits is to produce work that is so good they can't ignore them, as it's clear the committee aren't positive about TT in any shape or form.

 

It's interesting that The Ivor awards always favourable to TT in the past now seem to ignore them. I don't know the eligibility for The Ivors but Gary should have received some kind of recognition for Dying Inside. In my view it's such an honest and heart felt piece of writing but it didn't garner any support from within the music industry.

The problem with the Ivors is that the song has to chart in top 75 or be on an album that charted inside top 75, as far as I'm aware. Plus, somebody has to submit the song and I doubt Gary would have submitted his own work himself. But I agree that Dying Inside deserves an Ivor. For me, that song is the benchmark against which everything else is compared. I realize that a song like that comes once in a lifetime, but I'd be happy if all the other songs would try to approach the same level of honesty and raw emotion. I regret that fans didn't rally and submit DI to the Ivors in 2013 - we could have all pitched in and paid the administration fee.

 

 

I agree that whatever TT put out from now on has to be outstanding in order for the boys to get some more awards. It's a shame that they eliminated the Best Live Act category, cause that is where the boys truly blow everyone else out of the water.

So Dying Inside would have been eligible is someone had nominated it - what a strange process. I thought it would be a committee type system. The record company could have nominated it - is that right? Anyhow, I get the impression TT aren't high on Polydor or Universal priorities any longer.

 

Imagine , there's more chance of Gary getting a theatre award for his musical scores than TT for their pop output. Who would have thought that !!!

I found the Ivors guidelines: http://basca.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/The...0Guidelines.pdf

Yes, DI would have stood a chance had the record company submitted it :(

This year, it's also too late for TT or Gary to get any Ivors if no one submitted anything from them. The deadline for entry was February, 5.

 

I've had that feeling for a while now, dylandog. TT clearly are no longer a priority for Universal, which is baffling, considering they're one of the acts with a fairly steady fanbase and they're prone to make the record company lots of money if promoted properly.

Why would record companies want to promote anyone properly, if at all?? Seems like they don't give two poops about ANY artists/groups these days....

Nigel Martin Smith new boyband called Yes Lad were on opening show of X Factor last night. I think they are alright and have potential but that name has caused a right stink on twitter!

I don't think it's too late for them to change it to something different. Little Mix changed their name half way through (granted for legal reasons) so if they change it to something that flows a little easier I think they could do alright.

They didn't mention NMS or TT which I think is good as they need to establish themselves first.

 

Yeah I reckon they'll change it. They need a lot of work but I see a lot of potential in them also.

Yeah, I can't see them keeping that name. They were ok, but don't have a lead singer...we'll see what happens

They were ok but i would agree a name change is needed as soon as possible.

Nigel is still trying to recreate TT, but what he fails to understand is that the everlasting force of TT resides precisely in the fact that they never were a karaoke act.

Those boys in Yes Lad may be cute and may sing decently, but, with XF and with no songs of their own, they can be at most 1D or Westlife.

Milly, I think they'd settle for ID :) or even Westlife!!! I didn't watch X Factor so I can't comment on the group but most young lads would probably go for the world wide success of ID ( and their bank balance) over TT and their longevity but limited world success. That is of course unless they're really musicians at heart - sorry all ID fans out there.

Milly, I think they'd settle for ID :) or even Westlife!!! I didn't watch X Factor so I can't comment on the group but most young lads would probably go for the world wide success of ID ( and their bank balance) over TT and their longevity but limited world success. That is of course unless they're really musicians at heart - sorry all ID fans out there.

 

I'm not denying that the boys would probably settle for 1D fame, what I'm questioning are Nigel's intentions - somehow, I don't think Nigel is pursuing only fame. I think he still hopes he can re-create TT2 - the question is: has he found GB2? I saw a Robbie in that group, I even saw a MO - with better vocals - and I saw 3 Jasons and Howards, but without the dancing skills; what I didn't see is a GB and I doubt XF is the place to discover him.

I believe Nigel is still taking pride of discovering a talent everyone else had ignored; I doubt he's putting together boybands now because he's chasing ww success. He is still nostalgically linked to the past. It remains to be seen whether he can make it happen a 2nd time.

I dont think Nigel could pull this feat off if they dont succeed on X Factor. He no longer appears to understand how to make successful acts anymore. That said, he is know not to be the nicest of people so i believe the boys are making a mistake partnering with him. I do wonder, if were to succeed on X Factor could he continue managing them?

Simon will defo be looking for a big success this year. He needs a 1D or something similar to keep the bandwagon rolling!

He indeed needs something big this year. I am a fan of the show and as a fan i feel it has become very stale. I am more waiting for the live shows to begin as i dont think i can be doing with sitting in watching all the auditions/stories.