but still it was on release schedule list and hype around La Roux was at roof.

and seeing that she is still reserved for this contest :nocheer: it's a mood-kill for this contest...at least for me.

and La Roux became much like sending Lady GaGa...equally.

I wouldn't say sending La Roux is quite that bad yet...she's obviously fairly cheap, but I'd say sending Little Boots (in this era at least :P) or The Veronicas would be as bad.

'Cheap' has existed as a concept since the first contest, so don't try to fool yourself that the past was as good as you remember it :P Plus, hello? Evanescence came third!

 

And what do you mean by having a break? There's no way of having a break unless you mean we ignore the cheap entries being sent...in which case we just end up with another Jai Ho! scenario whereby everyone thinks that just because we don't complain it's fine to vote in droves for it...

Oops, Evanescence :wub: People weren't all 'OMG. I will boycott you because it was a UK hit', at least i didn't notice it :P

 

Yeah, i meant just to have things going on as they are... But on the other side, if we do it the contest will suffer its lowest level, if not a crisis. But then, in my opinion, it might everything be better again...

 

Plus, this situation really divides people so i don't know wehther we're going to end up divided into 2 groups voting for members. I don't say it is already happening or so but it is quite possible, isn't it? :P

Umm no. I know it's a slightly different kettle of fish but we can't place a ban on release schedule songs when we only just recently unbanned Eurovision National Final songs because it places restrictions on what some people want to enter.

 

I know sending something like Caroline Af Ugglas isn't quite on the same level as going for Girls Can't Catch or whatever but it's way more restrictive than banning anything related to Eurovision ever was. We might as well say we can only send songs that are definitely album tracks from now on.

 

In general, about 5/6 songs of the 20 or so per week are likely to dent the top 40, so I don't see why banning so many songs is necessary? Someone sending Tone Damli Aaberge - Butterflies would be wayyy cheaper than Chaka Khan ft. Mary J Blige - Disrespectful, for example.

It's nothing to do with finding a reasonable set of regulations or how people voted re the NFs or anything like that. Simple fact is that whilst you may be one of the big hats behind the scenes of this contest, it's entirely unreasonable to dictate what people can and can't send (and christ, if TIP's rule was enforced then I doubt many people would bother entering). It's a GAME. Let people PLAY the way THEY want to.

 

Oh, and loads of people said that the last contest was one of the best in ages. You can't expect that each one as of now will maintain that quality, but if this contest does turn out a little cheaper than the last, chances are the next will be another goodie. Just let things be...

Oh, and funny how you claim it's madness to ban any song from the contest...yet (and I realise this may not be your personal view) the majority of the people fully in favour of cheap entries hit the roof when we proposed debanning NF entries!

 

I was fully in favour of debanning NF entries. Personally, I would allow ESC SF losers as well, as I thought they were a damn sight less cheap than a significant number of entries allowed in the contest.

Simple. I forgot to add, if I was running the contest I would go really militant:

 

1. Ban all acts who have a live Artist Forum on Buzzjack from being allowed to participate.

2. If an act scores a UK Top 10 hit single, their follow up single can not be entered.

3. All acts that make the Final of a contest are ineligible to be entered for the next three contests.

 

As for the release schedule rule I suggested. If a song fails to make the Top 40, then by its very commercial failure, it can be entered in subsequent contests as it will be a discovery to a lot of people. I think it is far better to ban the mining of the release schedule, then after the event allow songs that were not successful chart wise to be included, than the other way around.

I'm not particularly keen on the 'post-mortem' method there...Saint Etienne kinda proved it doesn't work as these things get tainted with the labels of being commercial failures, and with many release schedule entries it's fairly obvious they won't be hits. Sending La Roux to BJSC XIII would've been a disaster, XII was definitely the correct time to send Quicksand - had I had to wait until XIII and Quicksand's flop to send it, it certainly wouldn't have done as well. I think that rule would probably annoy and bring a lot more grief than benefit to the contest, and I'm someone against cheap entries - it would definitely discriminate too much. There is definitely something to be said for your first two suggestions however - I'm less inclined to agree with your third suggestion as it robs us of Royksopp/Robyn's victory as well as a few other BJSC classics...if we're trying to avoid artist overuse, I think the suggestion of 'three entries max per album' is a lot more suited to dealing with that.

I wouldn't say sending La Roux is quite that bad yet...she's obviously fairly cheap, but I'd say sending Little Boots (in this era at least :P) or The Veronicas would be as bad.

 

 

u see that everybody has their own point of view for 'cheap' entries.

 

personally never heard any other songs from Little boots, apart the ones from this contest.

This is why I'm pulling out of the contest and going for something safe which no one has heard of apart from one member that has. I'm trying to introduce a new band and their music.. I know I was a bit trigger happy at the start with my reservations, I was literally trying to take the mickey, as I knew some members was going to reserve big artists.

Umm no. I know it's a slightly different kettle of fish but we can't place a ban on release schedule songs when we only just recently unbanned Eurovision National Final songs because it places restrictions on what some people want to enter.

 

I know sending something like Caroline Af Ugglas isn't quite on the same level as going for Girls Can't Catch or whatever but it's way more restrictive than banning anything related to Eurovision ever was. We might as well say we can only send songs that are definitely album tracks from now on.

 

In general, about 5/6 songs of the 20 or so per week are likely to dent the top 40, so I don't see why banning so many songs is necessary? Someone sending Tone Damli Aaberge - Butterflies would be wayyy cheaper than Chaka Khan ft. Mary J Blige - Disrespectful, for example.

Yeah, I know. I think the key problem here is that Rich sees the Release Schedule as being a hard and fast method of seeing what's cheap or not...and I'm not always against the odd fairly cheap entry, what I do have a problem with is the uber-cheapies. And let's not forget that these things need to go past everyone, so it's fairly unlikely any suggestion will pass the vote unless it takes into account all of the subtleties of the debate, and what's uninspired or not...and even then you still have people desperate to send the latest leak etc. :P

u see that everybody has their own point of view for 'cheap' entries.

 

personally never heard any other songs from Little boots, apart the ones from this contest.

My point is that La Roux is a lot more love/hate, and has (now) only been sent twice, whereas Little Boots and The Veronicas are far more liked than disliked and have all done consistently well in the contest the many times they've been entered ;)

Simple. I forgot to add, if I was running the contest I would go really militant:

 

3. All acts that make the Final of a contest are ineligible to be entered for the next three contests.

Wouldn't that be a bit hypocritical since you sent Marina to XIV (after she was used in XII) then you used her again in XVI? :heehee:

Oops, Evanescence :wub: People weren't all 'OMG. I will boycott you because it was a UK hit', at least i didn't notice it :P

 

Yeah, i meant just to have things going on as they are... But on the other side, if we do it the contest will suffer its lowest level, if not a crisis. But then, in my opinion, it might everything be better again...

 

Plus, this situation really divides people so i don't know wehther we're going to end up divided into 2 groups voting for members. I don't say it is already happening or so but it is quite possible, isn't it? :P

 

I never took part in the first few contests because initially it seemed to be all about voting for your favourite songs.

 

BJSC VI was the contest that convinced me to participate (from VII onwards) because I was genuinely chuffed to see a live performance by Beverley Knight and a brilliant demo by Lily Allen beat a monster worldwide #1 hit and very Buzzjack friendly track into third place.

My point is that La Roux is a lot more love/hate, and has (now) only been sent twice, whereas Little Boots and The Veronicas are far more liked than disliked and have all done consistently well in the contest the many times they've been entered ;)

Yet La Roux has finished 1st and 2nd in the two times she's been sent. (higher than any Veronicas or Little Boots songs ever have) ;)

This contest has just got too big, I was in every final to begin with, I doubt if I ever get in the final again. So my time is up.

 

Banning stuff from the release schedule does work, it works on a different site where I post as well. But that's up to the mods on here.

Wouldn't that be a bit hypocritical since you sent Marina to XIV (after she was used in XII) then you used her again in XVI? :heehee:

 

Of course it is.

 

But like all things in life (just look at MPs expenses), why mug yourself if the rules are not in place to stop you doing it.

I didn't say she wasn't cheap Aaron, just less cheap - she's not exactly guaranteed to do well with everything, whereas you could come to a conclusion that, from this era at least, there is little Little Boots and The Veronicas could do wrong in the BJSC :P

This contest has just got too big, I was in every final to begin with, I doubt if I ever get in the final again. So my time is up.

 

Banning stuff from the release schedule does work, it works on a different site where I post as well. But that's up to the mods on here.

Really? Funny that you've only had one contest since you last qualified :P

 

And which other site is this? Obviously it would work in its intent, but then again so would using a sledgehammer on a nail...blanket banning stuff on the release schedule would definitely not be the way forward as many classics of the contest have shown.

I didn't say she wasn't cheap Aaron, just less cheap - she's not exactly guaranteed to do well with everything, whereas you could come to a conclusion that, from this era at least, there is little Little Boots and The Veronicas could do wrong in the BJSC :P

 

with her new flop/sell out stigma, I wonder if Little Boots would ever do as well again...

 

The Veronicas on the other hand could go top ten with pretty much anything I think, but that's testament to the quality of their material and authenticity of the act ^_^

The day normal songs get banned from BJSC will be a sad day for the contest in my opinion.

I didn't say she wasn't cheap Aaron, just less cheap - she's not exactly guaranteed to do well with everything, whereas you could come to a conclusion that, from this era at least, there is little Little Boots and The Veronicas could do wrong in the BJSC :P

Well I suppose another song of hers could do a "Back To The Start" and finish top 20 after two top 2 entries but I reckon she's just very marmite. You either really love her or really hate her, so she's likely to pick up loads of 12s or 10s.