There is a tribute thread for him in the Lounge for people to pay their respects, I have made respectful posts in there in the spirit of things, this thread however is away from the Lounge kiddies and the ideal place to have a debate about the man's life itself to avoid disrespectful posts in the tribute thread in The Lounge

Let's face it, if he didn't do things to be disrespected there wouldn't be so many disrespectful posts and joke sites across the internet wouldn't be crashing left, right and centre because their traffic is 10 times the size it normally is!!

Oh go away you idiot and come back when you've achieved anything near as much in your life as Jacko did. :angry:

 

Just because I haven't made an album doesn't mean I can't comment on someone else, their life or their music. It's called opinion moron.

 

Yes his music obviously meant a lot to other people although I can't for the life of me fathom why.

Yes he obviously meant something completely different to me.

 

I have achieved things in my life that I am justifiably proud of.

I just haven't publicised it nor have I made a right tit of myself.

Edited June 26, 200916 yr by grebo69

I'm not even getting into the "he's abuses children" argument, becuase it's just redundent now. I'm still shocked people are delusional enough to believe Madonna is a bigger icon. It's just pure ignorance, and idiocy. Whether you like him or not, to say he's less iconic than Madge is pretty funny (and I quite like Madonna).

Anyway, you loons can debate about how much of a "c**t" he is and downplay his level of stardom, because this is lame. I'd just stick with the "I hate the guy because he's a crazed peadophile" defense if I were you. At least then you won't look like fools.

I don't mind there being a tribute to some famous person who has died suddenly, but I just counted MJ programmes on 13 music channels tonight, that only leaves about 4 or 5 not showing him, mind you one of them is scuzz. To me that is just overkill.

 

I suppose if all his albums start selling thousand his estate will raise much needed cash to settle all his debts, so at least he will manage in death what he failed to achieve in his later life.

 

I won't indulge in any severe criticsms of him as others can and will no doubt do it better or harsher than me.

 

But I am not gonna say what a shame that such a great person has died, because his flaws/mistakes/indiscretions call them what you will are too serious to ignore. If he was anyone else he would be either in a mental institute or on a sex offenders register. His fame has saved him in a peculiar sort of way.

 

Yes he made some classic songs, hey I have already admitted I like Thriller,Billy Jean and Beat it, but I have never owned nor will ever buy any of his music because of who he is.

 

But others are entitled to like him and I will not criticise anyone for that, but as others have said you have to look at the whole picture. Other artists are flawed too, and quite rightly we tut tut at them like Gary Glitter or Chuck Berry etc. Superstars should not be above the law, and just because they are rich, should not be allowed to buy off witnesses, just because its easy to do.

 

So, hopefully after this weekend we can all get back to normal, we managed it after Elvis died, and when John Lennon died, I suppose the big difference nowadays is we have the internet and social web sites which wern't available back in the 70/80's, so that is why everything has gone hyper.

I haven't been able to do much. It's been a surreal day.

 

err...do you ever?

Actually I do retreat from reguarding Madonna has had more effect on pop culture.

 

I just wish Jackson hadn't had so much of an effect.

 

Jacko came across as vile and arrogant with a bloody Messiah complex.

Jarvis Cocker will always be an absolute hero for what he did in 1996.

 

Deserves to be lumped in with Gary Glitter.

 

King of Pop... my arse.

 

I sort of agree with this. Wacko was somewhat passe even as early as the mid early 90s but his overwhelming and equally intense fanbase would ensure he maintained his popularity into the 21st century. Maybe it's more of a case of "what do I know?".

 

Madonna, however, knew and knows (IRRESPECTIVE of what anyone else thinks) that reinvention and keeping tabs on what is hot and what will be hot is the key in keeping on top of your game. Jacko was dethroned from this when he released the "Dangerous" album - nearly 20 years ago!

 

I don't feel it is entirely appropriate to go into the "did he?" stories, but I've been speaking to people at work today and - irespective of peoples tastes in music - however deep or passionate - his music seems to be genuinely loved.

 

That aside, "Off The Wall" ooozes with sheer joy!

Edited June 27, 200916 yr by ScottyEm

I'm not even getting into the "he's abuses children" argument, becuase it's just redundent now. I'm still shocked people are delusional enough to believe Madonna is a bigger icon. It's just pure ignorance, and idiocy. Whether you like him or not, to say he's less iconic than Madge is pretty funny (and I quite like Madonna).

Anyway, you loons can debate about how much of a "c**t" he is and downplay his level of stardom, because this is lame. I'd just stick with the "I hate the guy because he's a crazed peadophile" defense if I were you. At least then you won't look like fools.

 

The ignorance, idiocy and foolishness is coming from one direction.

 

Yours.

 

Maybe in America, Michael Jackson IS still an icon, IS still more popular than Madonna.

 

But.... that's only in America - he's barely sold an album here in 10 years (I imagine the sum total of today's album sales outstrip the last 15 years' Michael Jackson CD sales).

 

I agree he's more talented than Madonna... but to say he's a bigger icon? It's absolute, utter, unadulterated nonsense. It's 2009 - not 1984.

 

And as for thisispop's sales argument..... sales mean nothing when you're talking about iconic figures - zilch, there really is no math to be done. Many of the world's most iconic artists really don't sell that many records, and never did (David Bowie anyone?). The bulk of Jackson's sales were from 3 albums..... Thriller and Dangerous and Bad. The rest - HIStory, Invincible, Number Ones..... they were mere flashes in the pan - bargain bin fodder.

 

And as for the molestation allegations/denials/acqittals/pay-offs malarkey..... there's reams of actual testimony on the Smoking Gun website.... my opinion? Innocent of the second charges - thoroughly guilty of the first. Take a look...

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years...91jackson1.html

I doubt the allegations of child molestation were true. In fact, having watched that Martin Bashir documentary for the first time earlier, I highly doubt he EVER had sex with anyone (and before someone comes back with some smartass "um, tell that to his 3 kids" like everyone I said it to today... atleast one of them was definitely conceieved through surrogacy, and I wouldn't be surprised if the others were too). He just seems much too child-like and naive to have any interest in it. Some psychologist who assessed him during that case a few years ago said his personality was pretty much the exact match of a 10-year-old's. I really do feel he saw these kids he had sleepovers with as his peers and equals, and genuinely didn't see the issue with it.

 

Quite simply, I think the "man" was insane. Whether that's down to him missing out on a childhood, or having to cope with such superstardom, or just a genetic defect, I don't know.

 

As for his musical impact... obviously, claims that music is now dead are way ott. I don't think he revolutionised music, but he did have a big impact for sure (though I'd say his cultural impact was bigger than his musical one) - certainly, many of the most popular musicians in the world today are direct descendants of him. Whether he'll be remembered as a genius, I don't know, but I think at the least, hits like Thriller and Beat It will still be remembered in 30 years, and will endure far more than anything Elvis ever did.

The ignorance, idiocy and foolishness is coming from one direction.

 

Yours.

 

Maybe in America, Michael Jackson IS still an icon, IS still more popular than Madonna.

 

But.... that's only in America - he's barely sold an album here in 10 years (I imagine the sum total of today's album sales outstrip the last 15 years' Michael Jackson CD sales).

 

I agree he's more talented than Madonna... but to say he's a bigger icon? It's absolute, utter, unadulterated nonsense. It's 2009 - not 1984.

 

And as for thisispop's sales argument..... sales mean nothing when you're talking about iconic figures - zilch, there really is no math to be done. Many of the world's most iconic artists really don't sell that many records, and never did (David Bowie anyone?). The bulk of Jackson's sales were from 3 albums..... Thriller and Dangerous and Bad. The rest - HIStory, Invincible, Number Ones..... they were mere flashes in the pan - bargain bin fodder.

 

And as for the molestation allegations/denials/acqittals/pay-offs malarkey..... there's reams of actual testimony on the Smoking Gun website.... my opinion? Innocent of the second charges - thoroughly guilty of the first. Take a look...

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years...91jackson1.html

It depends what way you look at it. Madonna is definitely more of an icon in terms of endurance, but I get the impression that Jacko at his peak was far bigger than Madonna at her peak (though this is based on the impressions others have given me, I wasn't alive to see either at their peaks). From what I've read and heard, it seems to me the only ones in music history who had euphoria comparable to Jackson at his peak were Elvis and the Beatles.

 

Best post about Jacko so far :cheer: I salute you sir

 

Dangling babies out of hotel windows

Sleeping in oxygen tanks

Plying 8-12 year old boys with vodka and having them in his bed

Paying millions to the family of a boy to buy his way out of molestation charges

Doing an OJ in his trial in getting off even though it was plainly obvious he was guilty

Stabbing Paul McCartney in the back to effectively steal the Beatles back catologue

 

The guy was a Grade A c**t and deserves to be talked about in the same way as Glitter, Now that the dust has settled and he has been dead 24 hrs hopefully now we can discuss his life in less politically correct fashion

 

No way does Jacko deserve to be lumped with Glitter. :|

 

I'm not his biggest fan before I start off this post I shall say. First off Glitter HAS been convicted, Jackson HAS NOT been convicted. I am in no mind that Michael Jackson touched children up, but to be classed as a peadophile? Very debatable. For a start I don't think Jackson had neither the intelligence, not the mental capability to be able to ask children to perform sexual activities. Michael Jackson has mental problems, he wasn't right in the end. I think he honestly believed he was a child, and sleeping in the same beds as children, as his way of being a child again. Now i'm sure if Glitter was in this situation he'd have had sex with the children - whilst Jackson has not.

 

He had a messed up childhood, and once he reached adulthood in its full entirity I definitely think he wanted to re-create the childhood he never had. Whilst yes he touched children up, I don't believe he was in the mind-set of an adult. Now that's not to say he's not guility, and it it's not wrong, because it most certainly is, but Michael Jackson was no ordinary, mentally stable human being...

 

I think that Michael hate him or love him was one of the greatest entertainers of all time. His influence on the music industry is something that cant be denied, and although in recent years his popularity has been on the declined he is still one of the most recognizable figures around the world not only for his music which is excellent but also for his various charities. He not only deserved but earned the King of Pop title. So it matters not what the haters say his record in the industry and as a humanitarian speaks for themselves.

For a start I don't think Jackson had neither the intelligence, not the mental capability to be able to ask children to perform sexual activities.

 

He was a lot smarter than you think Josh, this wide eyed and innocent man child spin that his press office like to put about is swallowed up by many people while infact Jacko was cunning, devious and manipulative in reality, I will go back to the point I made before of the effective theft of the Beatles records off Paul McCartney, Jacko gained Macca's trust and Macca again believed that he was this wide eyed and innocent angelic guy and put his trust in Jacko so much so that he told Jacko that he was bidding for the Beatles catologue when it was up for renewal and he told Jacko in good faith the amount Macca was bidding and what did Jsacko do upon hearing this news ? he went and put in a bid higher than Macca's and won the rights to the Beatles collection thus depriving Macca of the revenue of years of fukkin hard work, it was effective theft so if Jacko is not intelligent how comes he stitched up Macca the way he did ?

 

Jacko was a devious and manipulative bast*rd trust me on that mate so if he can manipulate the greatest songwriter of the 20th century he sure as hell can manipulate a child

Edited June 27, 200916 yr by B.A Baracus

He was a lot smarter than you think Josh, this wide eyed and innocent man child spin that his press office like to put about is swallowed up by many people while infact Jacko was cunning, devious and manipulative in reality, I will go back to the point I made before of the effective theft of the Beatles records off Paul McCartney, Jacko gained Macca's trust and Macca again believed that he was this wide eyed and innocent angelic guy and put his trust in Jacko so much so that he told Jacko that he was bidding for the Beatles catologue when it was up for renewal and he told Jacko in good faith the amount Macca was bidding and what did Jsacko do upon hearing this news ? he went and put in a bid higher than Macca's and won the rights to the Beatles collection thus depriving Macca of the revenue of years of fukkin hard work, it was effective theft so if Jacko is not intelligent how comes he stitched up Macca the way he did ?

 

Jacko was a devious and manipulative bast*rd trust me on that mate so if he can manipulate the greatest songwriter of the 20th century he sure as hell can manipulate a child

Yeah and that's all he did. I'm pretty sure he didn't "manipulate" and decide to record a number of songs with a friend so he can buy the Beatles catalogue.

 

If YOU had to money to be owner of the Beatles collection, wouldn't you buy it? I know that most people would.

If YOU had to money to be owner of the Beatles collection, wouldn't you buy it? I know that most people would.

 

But you're missing the point..... being an artist himself, Jackson would have known full well how dear to a performer's heart the rights to their songs are. And how gutting and painful it is to have to request permission to perform something you yourself has written - it goes beyond words, it's sacrilege. The wild-eyed Jackson fans would have been up in arms if McCartney had swiped the rights to Billie Jean or Thriller behind their idol's back - and Beatles fans feel the same. I'm not a McCartney fan at all - but his heartfelt statement on Jackson's death released yesterday kind of summed up what a pretty decent bloke he is - many would have shrugged it off and had a "what goes around comes around" attitude, so it speaks volumes that he had not a bad word to say about him, despite ex-communicating him for over 20 years and having his life's work effectively stolen by him.

 

To have did what he did to McCartney was pretty much unforgiveable - to have gone behind a friend's back and deliberately outbid him for his OWN material is as low as you can go, really.

 

And not only that, to have pawned half of them when he was nigh-on bankrupt some years ago, hawking this sacred material round to get some cash to fund his sickeningly extravagant lifestyle.... it stinks, whether you're a Jackson fan or not - this is possibly the most horrible thing the man ever did. And did deliberately and knowingly, too.

He was a lot smarter than you think Josh, this wide eyed and innocent man child spin that his press office like to put about is swallowed up by many people while infact Jacko was cunning, devious and manipulative in reality, I will go back to the point I made before of the effective theft of the Beatles records off Paul McCartney, Jacko gained Macca's trust and Macca again believed that he was this wide eyed and innocent angelic guy and put his trust in Jacko so much so that he told Jacko that he was bidding for the Beatles catologue when it was up for renewal and he told Jacko in good faith the amount Macca was bidding and what did Jsacko do upon hearing this news ? he went and put in a bid higher than Macca's and won the rights to the Beatles collection thus depriving Macca of the revenue of years of fukkin hard work, it was effective theft so if Jacko is not intelligent how comes he stitched up Macca the way he did ?

 

Jacko was a devious and manipulative bast*rd trust me on that mate so if he can manipulate the greatest songwriter of the 20th century he sure as hell can manipulate a child

Obviously, intellectually he was quite mature. But EMOTIONALLY (which is what ties into whether he slept with young boys), he really did seem to be very child-like, which makes the idea of him actually doing it unlikely.

And as for thisispop's sales argument..... sales mean nothing when you're talking about iconic figures - zilch, there really is no math to be done. Many of the world's most iconic artists really don't sell that many records, and never did (David Bowie anyone?). The bulk of Jackson's sales were from 3 albums..... Thriller and Dangerous and Bad. The rest - HIStory, Invincible, Number Ones..... they were mere flashes in the pan - bargain bin fodder.

 

Hasnt Bowie sold something like 140 million albums? :P

 

Off The Wall sold 25m, Thriller 65m (i dont believe 100m +), Bad and Dangerous both over the 30m mark. I don't know how you can claim HIStory and Number Ones were bargain bin fodder - the former sold almost 20 million copies globally - and if you are talking about the UK - both albums clocked up sales of near 2 million. Invincible certainly did not do well in the UK - but it still sold somewhere between 8-11m globally. In my opinion it is very under-rated album. In terms of the best compilation album people should buy, I think his last release entitled 'King Of Pop' - the 3 disc edition is probably the best. That or The Essential Collection.

 

And I think the original material off HIStory was some of his finest work, especially lyrically. Songs such as They Don't Care About us and Stranger In Moscow are both lyrically fantastic imo and he wrote and produced both of those songs alone. And a video which sadly gets ignored in general - 'Ghosts' from the late 90's is without a doubt one of his best vids and the longest to ever be made.

Edited June 27, 200916 yr by Scotty

Michael Jackson was a talented Pop Star....

 

Wacko Jacko however, was a vile, disgusting excuse for a human being who stole the identity of Michael Jackson... In a sense, the real Michael Jackson actually died many, many years ago, and was replaced by this THING that used his identity like some kind of bodysnatcher.... And, it was Wacko Jacko whom, since about the early 90s, has been the one I've had the problem with.... So, I dont mourn the death of Micheal Jackson, because he died sometime after "Smooth Criminal".... Wacko Jacko was not the great Pop star whom I had admired as a kid, Micheal Jackson was dead to me.....

 

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Jacko was, at the very least, a borderline Paedophile, he almost certainly acted inappropriately where children were concerned.... The "sleepovers", sharing beds with underage kids, feeding underage kids vodka, dangling kids out of windows, etc, was, at the very BEST, incredibly suspicious and completely inappropriate.... It's irrelevant if the molestation accusations were actually true or not, there are plenty of other extremely questionable actions that Jacko almost certainly actully DID do..... Put it this way, if Michael Jackson had been a teacher, would any of us find it acceptable for him to invite a few underachieving kids round to his house after school for "extra tuition" so they could catch up....? Even if nothing was going on, it would still be totally inappropriate, and as a teacher, he would be disciplined and almost certainly lose his job, in my own job as a support worker with disabled students, I have to think twice even if I'm invited by one of them for a drink in the pub, is that appropriate...? Am I crossing the line if I accept the invitation? I've had to have a bloody CRB check for my job because the people I work with are classed as "vulnerable adults" because of their varying disabilities.... No such safety nets seem to exist for Pop stars who want to hang around kids for whatever strange, nebulous motivations they may have.... I really think it's about time we started asking ourselves as a society, what is and what isn't acceptable where children are concerned..... And we should ask the parents of these kids who let their kids sleep over in Neverland, would they have done so if it had been that teacher organising extra classes at their place to raise their kids' grades...? Why should the standards be any different for Jacko the popstar or Jacko the teacher.....? Frankly, I think that stinks..... NO ONE is somehow "better" or "superior" just because they sell a few records and write a few decent songs.....

 

Unfortunately, we cant exactly "sack" Popstars when they act inappropriately, the best we can do is stop buying their records..... The facts are, he was fukked-up individual who almost certainly had the means at his disposal to sort his life out, he should have taken the Jordy episode as a warning shot across the boughs that his behaviour was unacceptable to most of wider society and he should have addressed this issue.... Unfortunataly he was surrounded with a bunch of sychophantic bottom feeders and enablers such as Uri fukkin' Gellar who just continued to indulge his increasingly bizarre behaviour and didn't pull him back and tell him to "get a grip".... Naah, Jacko was too big a "cash cow" to some people, so they just let him continue to disintegrate... All of these sychophants, these enablers, the media, and certain members of his family, should feel utterly ashamed of themselves, and guilty as hell, because they are.... They enabled this increasingly fukked up behaviour....

 

At the end of the day, I'm sick of all this sycophantic bullsh!t that's been doing the rounds about Jacko.... Yes, we can celebrate the music, but the man needs to be looked at with a very critical eye......

Michael Jackson was a talented Pop Star....

 

Wacko Jacko however, was a vile, disgusting excuse for a human being who stole the identity of Michael Jackson... In a sense, the real Michael Jackson actually died many, many years ago, and was replaced by this THING that used his identity like some kind of bodysnatcher.... And, it was Wacko Jacko whom, since about the early 90s, has been the one I've had the problem with.... So, I dont mourn the death of Micheal Jackson, because he died sometime after "Smooth Criminal".... Wacko Jacko was not the great Pop star whom I had admired as a kid, Micheal Jackson was dead to me.....

 

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Jacko was, at the very least, a borderline Paedophile, he almost certainly acted inappropriately where children were concerned.... The "sleepovers", sharing beds with underage kids, feeding underage kids vodka, dangling kids out of windows, etc, was, at the very BEST, incredibly suspicious and completely inappropriate.... It's irrelevant if the molestation accusations were actually true or not, there are plenty of other extremely questionable actions that Jacko almost certainly actully DID do..... Put it this way, if Michael Jackson had been a teacher, would any of us find it acceptable for him to invite a few underachieving kids round to his house after school for "extra tuition" so they could catch up....? Even if nothing was going on, it would still be totally inappropriate, and as a teacher, he would be disciplined and almost certainly lose his job, in my own job as a support worker with disabled students, I have to think twice even if I'm invited by one of them for a drink in the pub, is that appropriate...? Am I crossing the line if I accept the invitation? I've had to have a bloody CRB check for my job because the people I work with are classed as "vulnerable adults" because of their varying disabilities.... No such safety nets seem to exist for Pop stars who want to hang around kids for whatever strange, nebulous motivations they may have.... I really think it's about time we started asking ourselves as a society, what is and what isn't acceptable where children are concerned..... And we should ask the parents of these kids who let their kids sleep over in Neverland, would they have done so if it had been that teacher organising extra classes at their place to raise their kids' grades...? Why should the standards be any different for Jacko the popstar or Jacko the teacher.....? Frankly, I think that stinks..... NO ONE is somehow "better" or "superior" just because they sell a few records and write a few decent songs.....

 

Unfortunately, we cant exactly "sack" Popstars when they act inappropriately, the best we can do is stop buying their records..... The facts are, he was fukked-up individual who almost certainly had the means at his disposal to sort his life out, he should have taken the Jordy episode as a warning shot across the boughs that his behaviour was unacceptable to most of wider society and he should have addressed this issue.... Unfortunataly he was surrounded with a bunch of sychophantic bottom feeders and enablers such as Uri fukkin' Gellar who just continued to indulge his increasingly bizarre behaviour and didn't pull him back and tell him to "get a grip".... Naah, Jacko was too big a "cash cow" to some people, so they just let him continue to disintegrate... All of these sychophants, these enablers, the media, and certain members of his family, should feel utterly ashamed of themselves, and guilty as hell, because they are.... They enabled this increasingly fukked up behaviour....

 

At the end of the day, I'm sick of all this sycophantic bullsh!t that's been doing the rounds about Jacko.... Yes, we can celebrate the music, but the man needs to be looked at with a very critical eye......

 

I actually agree with what you said re: child molestation accusations etc. I find it unacceptable that he slept with children, but I'm looking at things from a different angle. When I see Michael Jackson, I just think of a tortured soul who lived outside of reality. I think he was a broken individual, and I'm not excusing his actions because what he did was wrong, but I feel there's far more depth to the story.

It's understandable for people to feel sickened with his acts towards children (even though I do not believe they were sexual) but it's lame when people are denying his level of superstardom. Following "Dangerous", his popularity was on a decline, but "HIStory" was still a success. And even though "Invincable" was a flop in comparison to his previous records, it's the legacy he built in the 80's that made him an icon. I wouldn't say he "revolutionized" music, but he's been incredibly influencial, and whoever claims Madonna is the bigger icon is dreaming. Jackson at his peak was near untouchable.

He was a lot smarter than you think Josh, this wide eyed and innocent man child spin that his press office like to put about is swallowed up by many people while infact Jacko was cunning, devious and manipulative in reality, I will go back to the point I made before of the effective theft of the Beatles records off Paul McCartney, Jacko gained Macca's trust and Macca again believed that he was this wide eyed and innocent angelic guy and put his trust in Jacko so much so that he told Jacko that he was bidding for the Beatles catologue when it was up for renewal and he told Jacko in good faith the amount Macca was bidding and what did Jsacko do upon hearing this news ? he went and put in a bid higher than Macca's and won the rights to the Beatles collection thus depriving Macca of the revenue of years of fukkin hard work, it was effective theft so if Jacko is not intelligent how comes he stitched up Macca the way he did ?

 

Jacko was a devious and manipulative bast*rd trust me on that mate so if he can manipulate the greatest songwriter of the 20th century he sure as hell can manipulate a child

 

This is just my own opinion, and if i'm saying something wrong then shoot me down, but I was under the impression that Sir Paul McCartney bought the rights to other people's tracks as well... also, at the time when the rights were up for auction i'm pretty sure him and Yoko could have out-bid Jacko if they really wanted to...

 

Do you really think Jacko set out to buy the rights just to p*** Sir Paul off? I don't. I think he was just acting like a spoiled child. Obviously he liked the Beatles, and HE wanted to gain the rights to the songs no matter what.

 

I honestly don't believe he's as cunning as you make him out to be either. I'm not saying he wasn't intelligent, but I don't think he had the mind-set of a peadophile. When you were a child did you want to play with adults? I dunno about you, but I found them boring and stuff. Jacko mentally was a kid, and he was like the child all of us are jealous of - massive house, loads of play toys, ferris wheel - it's every small kids dream, and not only that, it was Jacko's dream. He definitely did something to the children he had over at this house, but I do not believe he had the mental capacity to physically assault them. And even if you, and other people think he's guilty (which yes, I do think he is, but not to the degree a lot of people think he is...) he was never, and never will be, convicted of any charges. And lets not forget the alledged sexual assault was no doubt from some skanky mum trying to make a lot of money out of Jacko's naivety and spiraling popularity in culture...