Philip

off to see this tomorrow :D I'm slightly put off by the very bad reviews by critics although im hoping they are just critical of the fact/ fiction issue rather than the actual film...

I agree!! So we have come full circle and you have answered my point: My point at the beginning was the Poles work in those sort of jobs but I dont see them as a threat to us as we need people to fill these vacancies :)

In London a lot can infact speak better English but still not on par to handle more complicated conversations so their wage is capped. GRIMLY FIENDISH this should be an interesting read: Source: Guardian Sunday May 15, 2005

again missing my whole post for a snippet: You dont pay people the same just because they have the same job. Cant possible structure a debate around one sentence of a person's reply! Of course there are exceptions but in London nearly every coffee shop or cafe you go into you are bound to find someone polish. The suntan place I go to has 2 polish women there. Infact nearly everywhere I go in the cafe, coffee shop area there are so many Polish women working. There are figures for this released a few months ago I believe about this showing the areas where on record Polish and other nationalities went into. Its fact!

firstly you missed out my first part of the discussion which totally refutes your above statements: In regard to a job, noncense you get the same wage regardless. We are not picking oranges in a field, a job has so many more variables. Experience, ability to do the job, ability to fit into the company, ability to fit into the society. I see language and in some cases culture as very important in being able to do your job. If you dont have the same grasp of english as another person you might not be able to do your job as well, not be able to get your opinion accross well enough in meetings... the list goes on. Polish people coming over to the UK do not have the same experience (in most cases) as a UK local as Poland is not a service sector economy! Its easy to give the 'lets feel sorry for them' argument but the truth speaks for itself. Im in for giving anyone a fair chance but the facts speak for themselves.

exactly, then the game would have been a game of two great sides in a great contest rather than it all being ruined from then on in. Sure Arsenal had breaks after that but it was pretty much all one way traffic.

I work in Finance and in that field i see NO Poles.... that includes Accountancy, Finance, Investment Banking and Insurance. Depends how you classify a good job, I dont class administration as a good job requiring high skill level but perhaps thats where we differ. In regard to wage rate its simple demand / supply, they are hardly being exploited as they are used to a much lower wage level. Also they have less of a grasp of the culture and language than a local would have so it makes sence.

would be good for you to read the following article ;) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4993994.stm

When people say who the best team where its good to clarify when they where the best team. Bara only started to be the 'best' team when Arsenal were down to 10 men and Arsenal only had a couple of chances. The referee now admits he should have given the goal and a yellow card!! Arsenal 11 vs 11 where the best team thats clear to see... if the referee had more experience and 'on hindsight' given a yellow I believe the match would have been a very very different affair.

lol I think thats a very one dimensional view. I party with a lot of Poles in London and most of the jobs they get are in Coffee Shop's for the woman and building/ construction for the men. Thats fact, I know so many Poles and although they have a grasp of English their education level is low meaning they are here to improve their English as well as work in the above areas. I know no Poles in good jobs after being in London for 2 years now. To answer the question for me is that there not a problem as there are SO MANY coffee shop's and construction jobs in London that need to be filled. We need their labour to do these jobs.

touch !

absolute quality tune. Reminds me of a few years ago.

the first Barca goal was offside!! Scandal, they need to sort the refing out or bring in better technology as so much rides on these games having blind refs and linesmen is not the best way forward.

cant believe this. Henry said at the end the chance he had he was so tired he wasnt able to put in the strengh to score. 10 vs 11 ruined it for me.

such a waste of a good game. Something need to be done, the tackle really wasnt that serious but hes given a red.

this really annoys me. How many games (should be good games) have been ruined by referee's not giving the benefit of the doubt. Look at Chelsea the players sent off and other teams. They should have allowed the goal and given him a yellow. So stupid for the fans being so strict on something so important.

I think in the context of a European Final wishing good luck on the English team is nothing unusual :)

COMON THE ARSENAL !!!!! Must win

Nuclear fusion is the way forward, differs from nuclear fission which is used in power stations and has radioactive by product (not the best to send out the exhaust). Nuclear fusion is the joining together of atoms and we use it in hydrogen bombs. It hasnt been able to be controlled though. I forgot the stats but a car could run off a gallon of water for 30 years (or maybe a lot more). Really crazy statistics. If we have that power and we can harness it then its not just polution that we conquer we can push out into space.

wow close one. So if Valencia had even drawn they would have gone into second spot? I really can't see Sven turning Real Madrid around...

definately should be life out there and it should infact look like us as long as the same time has elapsed for evolution. I believe everything develops in similar ways (given the environment) and so if we find another populated world I woudnt be surprised if there are some very familiar organisms. Do you think all life should be carbon based?

I agree we do not have the resources to continually sustain the current population growth. But the biggest problem for me is that people from third world countries are coming over to the UK and other countries but having children like third world countries! The reason they had so many in third world countries is the risk of dieing, not the case in a first world country and an annoyance. Most third world countries arent third world because their incompetant. A lot have terrible environments and/ or no resources and/ or in the middle of a desert (OPEC excluded). Population growth will never be a threat to mankind as we live in a democracy (even China who are not a democracy understand about population growth and had a cap on it). If it ever does look to become a problem then there will be restrictions put on how many children you can have.

for me its at a much higher level than the human body or even our planet. Its pretty much a given amongst academics that the big bang theory is true. We are all a result of the big bang bringing about a suitable environment. What I am interested in is what made the very first thing, and then what made that? So sure I do believe in a higher being of some kind as someone must have started all of this but what is a challenge for me is to understand how everything was started. Sure its the chicken/ egg dilemma but someone has to have started everything!

very very interesting... although im certain its not just by observing. Would be interesting to know some more info on the 'observer' as im sure it interfered in some way (it must have). Even so very very interesting and would be good to know the reason.

I dont see Hanks as a tough gangster or a 'bad guy' but definately I see him as a much more credible actor for this role.