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They’ve also retconned Sienna’s age as I swear she had nico when she was 13/14 in 2000? Only a couple of years of course which I guess is nothing in soapland, but still. If she is meant to be 40 or older now, I guess maybe the date is when Anna was pregnant with her and Dodger and left Jez for Patrick or something, idk, this is just absolutely wild even for Hollyoaks and just in a messy way tbh. I thought they were alluding to Dilly too as he had a plant called Cordelia whatever it is, and I don’t even KNOW how that works as she is clearly meant to be in her late 20s so 10 years younger than Sienna, unless she is just collateral as part of the family idk and whatever he has against Patrick she’s his daughter so he wants her to pay

Im almost certain Jez is actually Patrick and who we thought was Patrick is Jez, Hollyoaks will never be as simple as just them basically giving Sienna back a normal ish family unit. Although idk I can’t fathom how this all works with the time jump amd how they would just go back to normal :lol: This is so short term jump the shark twist coded so I’m interested to see what they do with it all other than

Kween is one of those where I think she’s really good at being the in the lane that Drag Race wants, in a way that’s talented but quite predictable. I like her but I don’t expect to be wowed or surprised, I could see a “professional” type edit for her

I think it should probably go based on each challenge tbh so I’d maybe have saved Fierce too, either way I think Alexis wins the lipsync as that kind of mid tempo is so in her wheelhouse and it would feel wrong for Kennedy to have not made the final. When it’s down to who will make the final I think it’s fair enough to take into account track record so I don’t disagree with what Lemon chose to do though.

Honestly out of all these girls, Nehellenia can do it ALL. She was on Italia 2 with one of the most dominant winners Drag Race has ever seen and still held her own, most other seasons she would have won. I’m so excited to see more of her :wub:

50 Organzza (Drag Race Brazil Season 1) Wins: 3 (girl groups, acting, makeover) Bottoms: 1 (roast) For some reason I couldn’t fully get into Brazil, but Organzza was great, I was kind of rooting for Hellena but Organzza had a really interesting edit and killed the competition. She was kind of giving professional and villain, front runner and also at times overlooked, but she got her crown in the end, unfortunately she also earned an insane amount of online hate, possibly the most I’ve seen on Drag Race, due to racist idiots. 49 Precious Paula Nicole (Drag Race Phillipines Season 1) Wins: 1 (Rusical) Bottoms: none Truly and honestly, PPN feels like such a random winner. She did well across the season including design and improv, winning the Rusical along the way, however it was one of those Rusical wins where the part was so obviously written to win, but despite this she kind of had no impact across the season and felt a bit underrated. Either way, she culminated the season in somehow being the only person able to destroy Marina Summers in a lipsync, giving possibly the best finale lipsync I’ve ever seen. I do kind of live for when someone mothers the finale so hard they just have to win regardless :lol: 48 Trinity The Tuck (Drag Race All Stars Season 4) Wins: 4 (talent show, Snatch Game, club design, acting) Bottoms: 1 (roast) This might be controversial to some, as the first big US name to drop here. Trinity is amazing at Drag Race, she has given iconic challenge performances and her range of skills always shines on the show. But for me, she is one of those queens that sort of gives exactly what you expect no matter what challenge or runway it was. Very tailored to Drag Race, which is fine, but I just don’t get a spark or anything unique necessarily and I think her runs on the show were a bit overstated and inflated. I still think she shouldn’t have even won AS4 tbh, but that’s another story and discourse. 47 Le Filip (Drag Race France Season 3) Wins: none (top 2 for Rusical) Bottoms: 1 (Snatch Game) We go from the queen with the most challenge wins in history, to a queen who won the crown without winning any challenges! Le Filip was so pulled all season, being a drily witty Slavic queen who somehow slayed a standup routine for the talent show. She was kind of cast aside, and the season felt like a rather exciting two horse race between the brilliant Lula and Ruby and then…. Filip won :lol: She absolutely killed the final, and they didn’t pay her her flowers all season so I guess it caught up when they skipped that and just crowned her at the end, showing it really can come down to the finale sometimes. 46 Drag Sethlas (Drag Race España All Stars Season 1) Wins: 4 (talent show, Snatch Game, Ball, roast) Bottoms: none We’ve established across its four seasons that España loves an obvious winner, and their first Hall Of Famer was no different. Sethlas actually has I believe statistically the best track of all time, being in the top 2 for 4 out of 5 compeieitve episodes, and high for the other. Sethlas did pretty much deserve all these (slightly egregious Ball high aside) but just wasn’t the most likeable or the queen that gave the best television, although it was incredible to see the level of drag she brought and the determination she had to get that crown. 45 Cristian Peralta (Drag Race Mexico Season 1) Wins: 5 (runway, Snatch Game, Rusical, roast, makeover) Bottoms: none Talking of obvious winners… Truly nobody else had a shot, and Cristian is actually the only main season winner to have 5 challenge wins (DeLa and Jikx both did with a top 2 format, and Angele Anang on Thailand 2 did it counting runway wins, she actually got 6). I was kind of rooting for Matraka but it would honestly have been so wrong to see Cristian lose. To win 5 challenges and none of them were stretches is kind of insane. 44 Bebe Zahara Benet (Drag Race Season 1) Wins: 2 (hosting, Ball) Bottoms: 1 (makeover) Bebe was of course the first ever winner, back when the show had a sepia toned filter, Snatch Game wasn’t even a thing, and the winner “only” got $20k. Bebe set home the front runner Ongina in the first ever shock elimination, and its contentious among the fanbase whether her or Ongina should have stayed, but Bebe did kill the season. She’s never been my absolute favourite, but she really set the bar at the time, I just think drag has moved on since and shown so much more so not as great a showing here as it could be, all the queens are great from this section onwards though so I do still appreciate Bebe! 43 Krystal Versace (Drag Race UK Season 3) Wins: 2 (runway, whatever the f*** Dragoton was) Bottoms: 1 (roast) This might be controversial as I feel like people don’t love her, she’s not my fave hence why she’s only here but season 3 was absolutely abysmal and one of the only decent arcs was Krystal’s growth. I remember hating her at the start of the season, and ending it thinking she was absolutely the right winner. She broke the mold a bit as the first and so far only fashion queen to win the UK franchise, and I think in that avenue she is streets ahead of the UK girls. I wonder what she would be like given a bit more time to grow because at just 19 and the youngest winner ever, she fully earned that crown. I feel like Kitty and Ella were good at the certain avenues Drag Race wants, and ostensibly did better in the competition, but Krystal is and was the star. 42 Elecktra Bionic (Drag Race Italia Season 1) Wins: none Bottoms: none Back in her season, Elecktra made history as the first ever queen with no challenge wins to take the crown. Her track record of. SAFE-SAFE-SAFE-SAFE-HIGH seems so pulled, Italia 1 was odd and had only one or in one case no high placement oer episode, and in my judging Elecktra was in the top all of the season and should have at the very least won Snatch Game. Elecktra is also another example of absolutely destroying the finale to the point she had to win, I remember everyone being so mad that Farida lost but I was elated being Team Elecktra the whole season! 41 Lina Galore (Drag Race Italia Season 3) Wins: 3 (Dragcon panels, roast, singing) Now I just might make a case for Melissa Bianchini losing Italia 3 being the biggest robbery in Drag Race herstory, and one of Lina’s 3 wins being possibly the most egregious of all time that was given just based on her runway. But judging just Lina, I really do love her drag. The way that she looks at runway themes and how she approaches them is so uniquely striking and always memorable, and her makeup style and genderf*** themes being the centre of her drag means you always know it’s Lina. I think she’s really underrated as a queen just because Italia 3 was fully Melissa’s and people just remember the rightful outrage that she didn’t win, but I will take this countdown to highlight how great Lina is. Oh and if this was based on how hot the winners are, she would be #1 with ease (although the actual #1 would challenge).

Blu Hydrangea having fans well I never Also Sharon isn’t even on this list for that reason

I’ve seen all of them and actually wasn’t that keen on Vanity or Miranda on their seasons! Vanity was pretty negative and just seemed like she fully couldn’t be arsed the entire time and Miranda kind of got bitter towards the end when her and Bettina swapped trajectories and Bettina was doing well and Miranda faltered. I love Miranda so far on this though, vanity is off to a strong start too. Both seem more positive and grateful for the opportunity. Nehellenia is one of my absolute favourite non English franchise queens so I’m elated she’s off to a strong start, I’ve got a feeling she will be a Marina/Pangina level fan fave and really take off from this as she is just such a sweetheart and can pretty much do it all. Tessa will be an interesting one to see unfold, she bombed Germany but she seems so fun here and I wonder kind of character she will be for however long she lasts.

I would have had Versex in the bottom and going home lowkey, for a fashion queen that design look was awful, essentially just things stuck to her body?! Really didn’t get that, Tita at least tried to do something that considered her body shape and personal style. In saying that, Tita murdered that lipsync and they couldn’t let Angel go obviously given the storyline plus she’s clearly great TV, I do kind of like that everyone gets 3 challenges before anyone goes home to show a few things they can do, rather than losing a great comedy queen because it was design first or losing a looks queen because it was performance first.

Great premiere, the editing is a little off but this is a great bunch of queens. I’m actually enjoying Alyssa a LOT, she’s kind of giving what GAS should give, celebrating all these queens and what they bring to the table individually. I think it would be easy for her to just be some cold “I’m here for the money” queen but she’s giving mother of the group and nurturing them all and is genuinely glad to be there. Miranda, Nehellenia, Eva, Gala and Alyssa stood out for me from the premieres. It’s just bonkers but amazing to see all these queens I’ve seen in different franchises interact like this. The judging was also little off for me, I would have put Gala and Miranda in the top for their respective episodes, Alyssa and Eva definitely had the strongest talent shows so I agreed with them being in the top. Vanity I was kind of baffled by, but her runway and especially top 2 lipsync were c**t and I do love her. Also I knew I probably wouldn’t like Kitty this season but the way she is behaving towards Nehellenia and in general is really not a good look, idk if they had some kind of argument beforehand because it seemed to come out of nowhere. They seem to be friends now so maybe they orchestrated some feud for airtime idk, but these two episodes have not changed my opinion of Kitty. Honestly she’s lucky it wasn’t just a normal bottom 2 situation because whilst Tessa’s talent show was also awful, she handily would have won the lipsync to either song the top 2 lipsynced to. Not a fan of her at all, with not much to back up being “shady” at best.

Tomorrow is about to be one of the greatest Hollyoaks episodes of all time I can feel it.

Khianna daylight robbery in that Ball, tbh I would have had Myx in the top over her last week though so I guess it balances out :lol:

60 Captivating KatKat (Drag Race Phillipines Season 2) Wins: 2 (Snatch Game, acting) Bottoms: 1 (advert) Blacktivating Racist brings up the rear. For those not au fait with her, she unapologetically did blackface and doubled down when challenged, never once taking any opportunity to grow. When challenged she pretty much said black people love being victims and take any chance to complain, yikes. On the season, she did… fine, she got two wins in Snatch Game and acting, but she definitely didn’t feel like the winner of the season and they did ØV c**t and Bernie in particular dirty in favour of pushing KatKat. She was also a nasty presence on the season, particularly at the start when she was just horrid towards Jade, coming across bitter as anything there. Bernie was so so robbed. 59 Blu Hydrangea (UK vs The World Season 1) Wins: 1 (Snatch Game) Bottoms: 1 (Rumix) At least she’s not a racist is about the only positive I have here :lol: She didn’t do horribly across the season she won, but I just find the fact she won the first ever cross franchise All Stars an absolute joke and she only won because half the contestants that season couldn’t give a shit and the other half got eliminated unfairly (Janey/Pangina/Jimbo) when they could won. Utter mediocrity crowned because nobody in that finale gave a single f*** and her lipsyncing like she was on speed somehow outshone that. I would have been interested to see her if she leaned more into the creative makeup she kind of branded herself on during season 1, but she came back as the most generic queen she could have. 58 Tyra Sanchez (Drag Race Season 2) Wins: 3 (acting, runway/photoshoot, Ball) Bottoms: none The first Drag Race winner of the 2010s, Tyra won way back when Drag Race was still on Logo, still only had the US franchise, and the prize money was only a tenth of what it is now at $25,000. James’ “legacy” since then speaks for itself, with the saga of him threatening to bomb Dragcon leading to her quitting drag, I believe James is now called King Tyra after a period of not wanting to be referred to by his old drag name, but I don’t keep up with him tbh. On the show, as much as people love to say Raven was robbed, I do think Tyra rightfully won and really changed the game and set a bar for Drag Race in some ways, which can’t be understated. 57 Sharonne (Drag Race España Season 2) Wins: 3 (talent show, Snatch Game, advert) Bottoms: none Like the aforementioned KatKat, Sharonne was marred by her blackface past when she appeared on the show, having sang as Donna Summer on the Spanish version of the TV show Your Face Sounds Familiar, but the Spanish legend did apologise and seemed much more understanding of the impact it could have had. Sharonne is the archetype that Spanish Drag Race has been come to be known for, the obvious season long front runner who is pushed to the win no matter what. Now I won’t lie, Sharonne did well through the season and didn’t take much pushing, but it did come to be one of those cases where the bits and pieces of pushing made her run a bit more unbearable, and her classic style of campy drag I felt was nothing new. On a season with the likes of Juriji and Venedita, my eyes were elsewhere and I couldn’t help feeling disappointed that Sharonne won. 56 Venus (Canada’s Drag Race Season 4) Wins: 1 (runway) Bottoms: none I definitely don’t dislike Venus, I cannot fathom how she won the season she was on, when we had the likes of Aurora and Melinda. She came across as good at Drag Race but not necessarily sure on her drag yet, like a twink wondered onto sort and just happened to be good at the challenges they had? Idk, I don’t dislike her like I said but it was an odd edit and storyline, just felt like a damp squib winner for a really good season, but Canada did that twice (more on that later). Rumours did say she was on AS10 which would have been interesting but that doesn’t appear to have come to fruition, but she has her crown so good on her. She didn’t really do badly at anything through the season but I don’t feel like she shone at anything either, her only win in the week 1 entrance/Ball/performance was a definite stretch imo. 55 Vanessa Van Cartier (Drag Race Holland Season 2) [ Wins: 1 (makeover) Bottoms: none Vanessa is a legend and a Miss Continental, let that be known. But her run on her season has to be one of, if not the, most underwhelming for a winner, with one win that was debatable and a singular high that was a huge stretch. Nevertheless, it would feel wrong for her not to have won, it was an odd case where she was the obvious winner (other than probably the most robbed queen of all time Keta Minaj) but her run just didn’t show, even if her aura, presence, and level of drag did. 54 Natalia Pliacam (Drag Race Thailand Season 1) Wins: 3 (runway/photoshoot, awards hosting, Snatch Game) Bottoms: 1 (Snatch Game runway) The first ever winner outside of America, and the first ever plus size queen to win, Natalia triumphed after a season of ups and downs, including when she won the awards challenge and was in the bottom the same episode for a basic runway, you have to have the Thailand format that made the runway decide eliminations :lol: She actually gave one of my favourite Snatch Games with her Sunmanee Gunakasem, one of those performances where I have no idea who the person is, yet I feel like I know them and love them adterward due to a hysterical and masterful performance that crossed the language barrier for me. Natalia is not the most memorable aside from that, but a decent winner nonetheless. 53 Lawrence Chaney (Drag Race UK Season 2) Wins: 3 (improv, girl groups, design) Bottoms: 1 (Snatch Game) This is probably the first controversial placement here! I have never been a huge fan of Lawrence, I don’t vibe with her humour that much and think she was overhyped a bit on the season. What I actually think she deserves more credit for is her fashion, as she’s a rare example of a big girl who knows what looks good on her body and changes it up, we don’t see that often on Drag Race. Lawrence gave some great performances through the season, winning improv, girl groups and design, and only really faltered with a limp Miriam Margoyles in Snatch Game, but Lawrence is just not my favourite. And I’m not even a Bimini should have won girlie per se, if I’m honest I’m a Tayce should have been treated better and won truther! 52 Tia Kofi (UK vs The World Season 2) Wins: 4 (adverts, Snatch Game, roast, Rusical) Bottoms: none UK2 girls doing very well here oops, again this will be controversial but here we have the winner of the latest UK season. I really didn’t like Tia on UK2, and I wasn’t that fussed on her coming back for UKvTW2 either. I did enjoy her more on her winning season, I feel like you could see she was in a better place and knew who she is, giving some funny performances including a deadpan Anne Boelyn for Snatch Game, but I do feel like there were a handful of queens who stood out more that season and I couldn’t help but feel a bit disappointed when Tia ended up winning. I seem to quite like her when I see her podcast pop up on TikTok so maybe she’s one of those queens who’s better off of Drag Race than on the show. 51 Gisèle Lullaby (Canada Season 3) Wins: 2 (Snatch Game, design) Bottoms: 1 (Rusical) One of the most narratively odd winners ever. We had Fierce causing chaos and going up and up in the challenges, we had Kimmy Couture being a satisfying underdog, yet we ended up with a top 2 of Jada (who did nothing all season) and Gisèle, who was kind of there all season, randomly ate Snatch Game and design, then proceeded to be just there again. I did love Gisèle’s fashion, and her aforementioned Snatch Game was so wonderfully stupid I couldn’t help but laugh, she did well across the season for sure, and actually was a total sweetheart when I met her at Dragcon too. I suppose it was also nice to see an ESL Queen succeed on an English season and get a Francophone winner too.

It’s been probably years since I did a self indulgent thread like this, so join me as I rank 60 queens who have won Drag Race over the years, across many countries and franchises. I say almost every winner because a certain Shar*n won’t be given the time of day here due to obvious reasons, and Leona Winter and Luz Violeta of The Switch are also excluded as I’ve only seen bits of that.

Ball WIN Myx Chanel HIGH Versex, Yudipota LOW Zymba Ding BTM2 Tita, Angel KANDYWAIT: Angel Apparently Maxie is never below safe the whole season so I definitely think she takes this, I do feel like having her vs Angel all season and crowning Angel is lowkey something Philippines would do but then they’ve not had a runaway front runner like that. I guess Marina who didn’t even end up winning :lol: I’m wondering if that mockup of track records comes from someone just guessing from bits and bobs of tea, as I did see Versex was meant to win the Ball and Angel wins Snatch Game as well as some of the other bits.

Apparently Angel has the best Snatch Game in all 3 seasons (episode 5 where she wins) which from episode 1 how she comes across seems wild. I can’t see Maxie not winning but it is so Phillipines coded for them to have Angel beat her in the end :lol: The tea days most of the season ends up being about them which I could see. Not sure those are right as apparently there is a Lalapaoruza where Popstar Bench and Myx Chanel are left at the end after Myx sent Bench home the week before, and Myx goes home that time, which if true is TELEVISION and I will live for it. Ver Sex being a porkchop with a win is also camp, she is vile so far but I kind of live if she absolutely smashes one challenge and just does so terribly in girl groups that she has to go :lol: That I can easily see because she was giving absolutely less than nothing in that voguing challenge thing.

This season should have been 12+ episodes and AS9 should have been 6 episodes :lol: Honestly Cheryl should have won that for me, I thought Kennedy was weaker than both her and Lemon.

I can see that just being a random off screen departure, I can see the time jump potentially being a bit like Neighbours when it came back and they just in passing mention missing characters or where they went, or actually what was good with Neighbours was they kind of had some mystery type things where they dropped little crumbs of why someone was missing then it came out later, so it was kind of an incentive to keep watching. Obviously it’s different when it’s a returning show with a time added on vs an immediate time jump, but Neighbours showed the idea is a really good way to keep things fresh. Especially as they can’t have every departure on screen before the jump, if it’s one linked to a big family unit it might be good to have had something happen in the time between what we’ve seen and when the time skip picks up, and it’s a mystery type thing that eventually comes out. Like imagine Diane has left the family, had a breakdown, or died or something in the jump, they don’t really mention it, but you can tell somethings wrong and she isn’t there, and Tony snaps and it comes out and there’s a flashback or something, that would be a really clever way of dealing with the deperatures as well I think.

Maxie was incredible on Queen of the Universe, if she’s half that good here she is walking it. I kind of love Angel so far too, I think she’s got that Miss Jade energy where she’s going to be amazing TV regardless but I’m unsure how she will be in terms of the challenges. Also like Yudipota’s aesthetic a lot but I feel like they won’t get it on this show :lol:

Anyone else watching this? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a queen more pushed than Jenary :lol:

Yeah it does seem like Jag’s anon HOH just retooled, personally I think that’s unfair and a bit broken, but what would modern BB be without these kind of twists? I think this season has the perfect balance of being camp as f*** and so fun to the point I’m not really fussed about it and it’s working out so well for entertainment’s sake. I’d still rather a silly broken twist than a boring steamroll from the typical BB players, which this could easily turn into without Quinn, Angela and Tucker.

Ngl I’m a bit disappointed given how they hyped up that would be a gag :lol:

It’s giving a fun unserious spin-off season rather than All Stars, tbh I think a chaotic fever dream of an All Stars will be good though after AS9

So apparently there are only 3 episodes post merge, 2 that follow the same non elim points format then a lipsync for the crown Lalaparuza with the remaining queens, there will also a wild card queen that can compete from the eliminated queens which I do not get, so basically you can win nothing all season then win the season on lipsyncs? :lol: camp as f*** for the winner to be like BTM-BTM-ELIM-RTRN+WINNER Tbh I can actually despite what I said see Ginger winning in this format, she’s such an underrated lipsync and I think she’s one of those where it doesn’t even depend on the song she can kill most things whereas say Jorgeous/Bosco/MIB I think they’d depend on the song.

Looks like Suzie is 5th and jewels is top 4, front runners are Lexi (3 wins 0 bottoms) and Onya (4 wins 1 bottom) Other assorted tea: - Snatch Game is apparently really bad, Onya wins and Lexi does well as Gilbert Gottfried - Prior to Snatch Game, Crystal is the front runner and may be in the top for every episode up to her elimination by Lana - Nina West is hosting Pit Stop :/