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    I also feel bad for Veronica, whilst I am not a fan of her drag and I feel like she didn't really have a huge amount to give that we didn't see on S2, I can't imagine having to go straight into a second season (given how soon they filmed S3 after S2) in an environment where she wasn't able to work and make money to go on the next season. If you think of all the designers they have to pay, the ideas they have to come up with, and Veronica probably put her all into S2 and lost her shot because of something she couldn't control. In a way, I feel like she would have been better off not coming back and doing All Stars in the future with a second chance storyline, but then she would probably be way out of her depth amongst queens like say Bimini, Tayce, Divina, and the tops of this season.

    That judging was.... shite. Ella got called out as having a second rate version of Scarlett's look but is in the top?! Krystal was told she is predictable and just re-treaded one of Aquaria's S10 Ball looks ("no queen has done this" my arse) but is in the top?! To me, again being cynical as I often am, this felt like they are trying to give Krystal an up and down journey, and they felt that Ella needs a high to start pushing her.

     

    Charity I thought deserved the win if you look at both looks and take them as an average, otherwise what is the point of the first look? Scarlett easily had the best of the second bunch of looks, but her first was middle of the pack. Charity being just safe is absolutely baffling, I feel like Ru and Michelle aren't keen on that type of drag and have just cast her aside. Ella's looks were solid but I wouldn't have put her top, and there's something really missing for me, and I agreed with Nicola I don't think the jacket was really needed on the second look, but it would feel bare and basic without it. I feel like she could be the robotically good stereotype, like she will do well at most things and probably snatch at least a couple of wins, but I don't feel like there is that spark and likeability there, I haven't seen any of it yet anyway. Krystal again was technically good, but she did the bare minimum of what you expect from her, there is no versatility or nuance to what she does. I'd have put River in the top as well, both looks were really well done, cute and very her but each had a different tinge to it. Honestly if Krystal or Gigi Goode came out wearing that second look, that would have been a win :rolleyes: I'm impressed by River, she was swamped by Tia comparisons so I worried for her fashion, but her runways have impressed me this week and last.

     

    On the other end of the spectrum, I am FAR from a Veronica Green fan, but I think they over-egged the critique of her looks. The first one was fine, you could see that was a sleeping bag and she looked kinda roughed up, knowing that it's a camping challenge you could easily assume the story she was going for, I agree she could have added bits to make it clearer but there was nothing wrong with that look. Her second look was too grandiose in its vision especially when she used up too much time helping everyone else, but at least she had an idea and attacked it. I feel kind of bad for her, especially when she was not the worst and I don't feel she deserved to be in the bottom. Choriza low I kind of got, not terrible but definitely on the lower end. Veronica got away with far worse week 1 and was safe then so I think she should have been safe here, however she was lucky to survive week 1 imo so I guess it balances out in the end.

     

    Kitty escaping at least a low placement for that second outfit is giving me Baga in the Posh On A Penny challenge vibes. Vanity just didn't really listen to the challenge, I thought she was really unlikeable when they went backstage too "I thought it was couture you can get Scarlett's off the rack" when hers was simply not constructed well. To me, it feels as if she knows she can kill a lipsync and isn't putting as much into the challenges. It's great she can kill a lipsync as she does, but that's not all that Drag Race is.

     

    WIN: Charity

    High: Scarlett, River

    Low: Choriza

    Bottom 2: Kitty, Vanity

     

     

    I'm just not 100% feeling this season tbh :( I'm not rooting for many of them, and the ones I am (Charity, River and Choriza) are being paid dust, mostly. I like Scarlett, the rest I am either on the fence on, get not a lot from or just can't take to...

     

    Kitty - she feels almost robotically like a "perfect" Drag Race UK queen, meticulously crafted for the Twitter gays right down to her references and whilst she is likeable enough, I am just not fully buying into her yet.

    Ella - as I said, no spark or oomph just yet, she barely stood out the first two episodes and then this one she just did "good" and no more for me.

    Vanity - I'm just not warming to her at all.

    Krysta - like Kitty, robitc and meticulously crafted but in a different way, and just plain unlikeabe based on what we've seen so far.

    I feel the same about Katie, she really leaves me cold and the partnership's chemistry isn't there. I find her hard to warm to which is a shame because I loved her in Corrie. I wouldn't be surprised if she went first to be honest, I could see her in the bottom with Ugo or Greg and based on this week, she would most likely go in the dance-off. Nina could be in the mix too and she would go which would be sad to see after what she was capable of last week, this series is so wide open though I think it will be one of those where one bad week could be it for you, so the likes of Katie who have plateaued in both dances will definitely struggle.

    That was such a shit challenge, I don’t know what they wanted from it even after judging? I get that it had to be funny but then also they go on about the choreo and then pick at a small-ish thing like Vanity’s wig. If they wanted to focus on dancing/performance, they should have done a proper choreo challenge or a Rusical, this had too much going on and they didn’t set out what they wanted clearly.

     

    I find it hard to even judge the challenge because there was so much going on and clashing, I think Choriza stood out to me the most as the funniest. Elektra was definitely right to go too, she had little left to give and I just think isn’t quite ready. It was a really disappointing runway too, I only really liked Kitty’s and Victoria’s.

    Seeing Raven on FPR review Krystal's look has made me realise she paints soooo much like Raven, it's almost clinical and that's one of the things that leaves me cold. I don't like when drag is too calculated and perfect, I want that edge, some roughness or some individuality.

     

    I think the fact she has surgery to further her drag contributes too too, everything comes down to being so cold and calculated and almost scientific. I don't think surgery is really an issue as a lot queens have stuff done (Vivienne, Trinity The Tuck), although perhaps not specifically for drag. I remember seeing that Trinity considered transitioning to be more feminine for drag which is insane though :lol:

    Shirley is gross, I wouldn't mind her giving lower scores if she had something to critique like Craig but she will just give a false positive comment then give a 4 or some shit. And that was actually the joint lowest she gave all night, no chance was Rose worse than all of those. Even if you take out the fact she's deaf, I thought that was a great first Jive. If she can already do that, when she gets to grips with it all and it becomes second nature, she's going to be incredible, and she's so likeable too so I think she's my tip to win right now. AJ was INSANE too, that would be a smash any week but to come out with that week 1!! Nina was my other favourite alongisde those two, I expected her with a Samba week 1 to potentially be one of those classic first week awful Sambas that sees you swiftly out the door but she was great.

     

    The standard seems so high this year, I'm thinking we will have a fair few shocks if most of them keep to this standard as there's going to be so many in the mix for a high score and one bad week could see a favourite leave.

    It's not though? :lol: Drag CAN be anything, that's why you've got the likes of Victoria, and then Landon Cider for example on Dragula breaking down barriers and being different things to what you'd usually see. What kind of show is there if every challenge centred on what you'd see in a club? I get if you don't like that kind of drag, but I think it's damaging to say that things are "not drag" or not worthy of being on the show.

     

    Ugh I hate that I used the phrase breaking down barriers, I hate that Ru keeps saying that when he's the one who put the barriers up :lol:

    That in itself is a narrow view of drag though, the more traditional type of queen. If drag hadn't evolved past Edna Everage and Lily Savage, we probably wouldn't have Drag Race. I think *some* of the Krystal type queens being there is fine, part of what makes Drag Race popular is that there is these different types of queens so there's usually something for everyone, but I can't stand the fans acting like just one type of drag is okay.

     

    I don't think it helps to box in a definition of drag in any way, as the Boulet Brothers would say - "drag is art, and art is subjective".

    01 Victoria Scone

    An icon, she just seems so warm and lovely, I loved the campness of her looks but she doesn't rest on her humour, they genuinely were well constructed, great looks in and of themselves. I love that she's not a "token" too, her whole drag identity isn't that she's an AFAB queen, she is just a woman who happens to do drag very very well.

     

    02 Choriza May

    Instantly so lovable, virtually every time she spoke I was howling. I was expecting her to be better at the comedy challenges etc. but she was very very solid in the runway categories this week!

     

    03 River Medway

    Again, a great first impression with a really likeable personality, she gives me Tia vibes so we'll see if her runways let her down like Tia :lol:

     

    04 Scarlett Harlett

    I like her personality so far, fun and loud without being too much or trying too hard. Her runways I thought were a bit overrated, but good, and I do find myself excited to see more from her.

     

    05 Ella Vaday

    One of my MTQ faves, I wanted a bit more from her this week but she's definitely polished, we just didn't see a huge amount from her in this episode.

     

    06 Charity Kase

    I love her drag, I am so glad that side of drag is being shown on the show! I want more from her personality though.

     

    07 Vanity Milan

    On the fence, she had some great looks, her personality is fine but not really standout.

     

    08 Anubis

    I think she had a lot more to give, it's a shame she went so early before we really got to see her personality and what she was capable of.

     

    09 Kitty Scott-Claws

    I find her annoying more than funny at this point, it feels like she's trying too hard. "Obscure references" too and it's Sharon from Eastenders and Cilla Black, ok girl... :lol: I think her personality might grow on me idk. Her looks were so bland at best too, I feel she might be a Baga type who gets away with a lot on the runway.

     

    10 Elektra Fence

    Just basic, there isn't much there and compared to Anubis, I can't see her lasting too much longer. Her first look was so so bad, and her lipsync is being overrated by fans but was pretty good.

     

    11 Veronica Green

    Honestly just dull as anything, I wasn't a fan the first time around, and this time has done nothing to change that. I thought her second look was the worst of the whole thing alongside Elektra's first look, so so ugly. I think she's out of her depth, if you look at last season what did she really bring other than the Rusical and a couple of good looks?

     

    12 Krystal Versace

    Boring lipsync, technically good but predictable and boring looks, plus I cannot warm to her as a person at all. My boyfriend kinda hates drag queens because of experiences in his local gay scene, and the best way I can describe why I can't take to Krystal is because she's kinda how I feel he pictures drag queens because of that :lol:

    Boring ass people on Facebook comments in their droves saying what Charity does isn't drag :rofl: I completely understand if her drag is not to your taste, but why do fans love to gatekeep so much? Drag can be absolutely anything and it's so tiring that season after season people like to try to box drag into only being "fish"/fashion.

     

    Some fans deadass just want to see a whole lineup of Krystal Versaces serving face and c**t all season, thrilling.

    I suppose Vanessa did the best in that final challenge, but it wasn't a total murder. For me she is one of the weakest winners the franchise has had, I get that it's not all about track records, but she did subpar at best in 4/7 challenges (Snatch Game, Rusical, the crime acting and the chat show improv), and I wouldn't even have given her the makeover win or the high for the talent show (I would have swapped that to a high for the design challenge). I did love hearing her story and journey, but what's the point in having a range of challenges if you can just flop most of them and still win? I'd get it more if she was a really warm, standout personality, but she's not, no shade :lol:

     

    I hate to say this but she feels like a token winner just to say they had a trans winner. There was definitely some reason for the fact they wanted her to win all along, there was definitely some favoritism saving her from the bottom a couple of times.

    Other favourites were Charity (love this kind of drag, but wonder how well Ru and Michelle will take it? Can easily see the 'we need something sexy from you' comments coming in week three),

    This is what I worry about, I know she had a different style that was more limiting but Ginny last season got that. They can never just accept that someone's drag doesn't fit their often narrow view of what drag should be. I'm sure Charity is skilled enough with her makeup and design skills that she can fit that, but why should she have to?

    I found the judging really all over the place! I get why Krystal was top 2 although her drag is not my thing, but Victoria clearly was the best across both looks. Both of hers were out there and campy, but in different ways. I like that she's not just there as a token, she really just brought her own level of camp and totally sold every single inch of those looks. I thought she gave a better lipsync, it felt more her with a bit of flair whereas Krystal just did a generic "giving face" kind of lipsync.

     

    I'd probably have gone:

     

    Top 2: Victoria and Charity

    High: Vanity, Krystal

    Low: Kitty

    Bottom 2: Elektra and Veronica

     

    Honestly... I don't think Anubis should have even been low? The second look admittedly was not great but the first was. I thought Elektra's were both meh and Veronica's second was so ugly with her first one being forgettable at best. Kitty's were both so basic too although they looked ok, she needs to give more. She's giving me Baga vibes both in the loud personality (in a bit of a try hard rather than endearing way) and the meh looks, perhaps she will grow. River I would save from a low placement just because she really sold that first look. I just think Veronica is SO boring, go girl give us nothing :drama:

     

    So far I'm loving Victoria, River, Scarlett and Choriza the most, I love Charity's drag but I need more from her as a person, which hopefully we get to see in the coming episodes. I'm not finding Krystal to be particularly warm or likeable, I'm hoping she's not given a favoritism fashion queen edit. I agree with Doug there just isn't that excitement there for me, of course it's only been one episode but I feel like you know what's to come from her already.

    The thing that annoys me most if they really HAD to keep Vivaldi, why did they not just do a double shantay for a four person finale? They did that last year for a FAR worse lipsync, that Abby/Ma'Ma lipsync to Stronger (What Doesn't Kill You) was one of the weakest ever on Drag Race! I know we can be cynical and have so many theories, but I think they've got a winner in mind (probably Vanessa) and Keta was threatening that.

     

    I am not annoyed at Puny winning that challenge, but Keta was probably the second best in the challenge so if they hated her outfit that much, and the runway matters that much that Vanessa can be saved, then Puny should have been safe with Keta winning possibly. It just makes no sense and they do this often, remember when ChelseaBoy won Snatch Game and they even said that but they just gave to win to Envy anyway based on runway? :lol: If they're gonna do shit like this with the runway, at least be consistent. Maybe have a challenge winner and runway winner like Drag Race Thailand, and both are safe from elimination. Just don't do a DRT and have it so only the runway really matters and you can go home from winning a challenge :lol:

    Statistically using the Dusted or Busted performance score calculation, Keta is the only non-finalist to make the top 10 of all time with 7.1. Envy tops this chart with 7.8, if Keta got a safe this week rather than being eliminated, she would statistically be the strongest performing contestant ever with 7.92. For context, Bianca has 7.75!

     

    Yes I am that mad at this that I am being nerdy with calculations to prove how bullshit it is xo

    I've looked at past seasons trying to find an elimination as baffling and as much of a robbery as this one and... I can't :lol: I think maybe Manila in AS4 but I can't count All Stars because that's decided by the queens, so as much as I hated Naomi doing that, that was her choice of strategy and besides, Manila didn't do well in that challenge. It's up there with Shangela being shafted in AS3, however I do think the gays do a bit too much with Shangela in regards to AS3, the twist was bullshit whatever my opinion though. I can't think of anything close to this, someone who has completely dominated the season going home in a challenge they didn't even do badly in, despite clearly doing well in the lipsync. I'd get it if she bombed the lipsync, that would be a bad week and that's all it takes in Drag Race.

     

    To me the amount they have protected Vanessa makes me think they want her to win, as I said she should have been bottom both this week and last and arguably the Rusical too but they never really seem to pull her up on it, but if that's the case, they should have done a Ball at some point to maybe get her another win. They surely can't crown someone who did badly at Snatch Game, acting, improv comedy and performance?! She would be the least deserving winner ever in my eyes, nothing against her drag but she doesn't have many, if any, of the qualities a Drag Race winner should have. Granted, Drag Race is a small snippet of drag and possesses be a narrow worldview of drag, but that is the show, and it has its parameters which she just isn't fitting.

    Drag Race Holland Season 2

     

    Let's fix the complete bullshit f***ery, with some Keta bias instead of Vivaldi and Vanessa x

     

    EPISODE 1: Talent Show

    WIN: Keta

    High: Vivaldi, My Little Puny

    Low: Tabitha

    Bottom 2: Reggy, Juicy Juicy eliminated

     

    Pretty similar, I'm keeping just the two highs as it would normally be though and Tabitha I've put low instead of Ivy as I feel hers was super shaky.

     

    EPISODE 2: Design

    WIN: The Countess

    High: Vanessa, Keta

    Low: Tabitha

    Bottom 2: Ivy-Elyse, Reggy Reggy eliminated

     

    The highs were weird here but otherwise I agreed.

     

    EPISODE 3: Snatch Game

    WIN: Vivaldi

    High: Keta, My Little Puny

    Low: Ivy-Elyse

    Bottom 2: Love Masisi, The Countess The Countess eliminated

     

    Agree with the tops, but I gave Vivaldi the win solo on balance :o Ivy I think could have been saved as she at least tried to have some catchphrases and personality, Countess bombed as of course did Love Masisi with her "SLAVE TO THE RHYTHM!!". In this scenario they'd pull some bullshit to save Countess probably, but as it's me... I'm having her go here as I can't see her out lipsyncing Love.

     

    EPISODE 4: Cinderella Rusical

    WIN: My Little Puny

    High: Keta, Tabitha

    Low: Vivaldi

    Bottom 2: Vanessa, Ivy-Elyse Ivy-Elyse eliminated

     

    I'm agreeing with the tops here, Ivy deserved bottom but I'm also singling out Vivaldi, and Vanessa should have been here in the first place. I'm unsure how the lipsync would go tbh but Ivy had hit a wall at this point.

     

    EPISODE 5: Makeover

    WIN: Keta

    High: Vanessa, Vivaldi

    Low: My Little Puny

    Bottom 2: Love Masisi, Tabitha Love Masisi eliminated

     

    Gonna guess this wouldn't be Love's thing, Puny did not deserve bottom and Keta was robbed x

     

    EPISODE 6: Chat Show

    WIN: Keta

    High: My Little Puny

    Bottom 2: Vanessa, Vivaldi Vivaldi DISQUALIFIED

     

    Vanessa was clearly the worst here, her and Vivaldi were the right bottom 2 but Vivaldi should have just been disqualified.

     

    EPISODE 7: Crime acting

    WIN: My Little Puny

    Bottom 2: Vanessa, Tabitha Vanessa eliminated

     

    As I said in the main thread, bullshittery of the highest degree.

     

    EPISODE 8: Finale

    Keta (3 wins, no bottoms)

    My Little Puny (2 wins, no bottoms)

    Tabitha (no wins, 2 bottoms)

     

    Ik we haven't seen the finale yet but Keta wins obv x