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There's a LOT of "theories" out there about Beyonce if you go looking. I can't go into it all because it'll take forever but the gist of it is that some people think she was chosen as a young child to be a future pop star. There are blogs, websites, forums full of details people have found about Beyonce's early life, and her parents and other ancestors and their connections, places they've been, groups they've been a part of, the earliest media coverage of her, etc. I don't know how true it all is, but it's an interesting rabbit hole to go into at least.

I feel if anybody would do extra promo to get to #1 this week it would be Djo because it would be his first ever #1 anywhere? So for him it's probably a big deal. It seems like Ariana's team cares mostly about US #1s and Benson Boone has been #1 loads of places and is probably getting used to them now lol.

Could be any of them but I think most likely Djo.

It's definitely not "needed", and I think in a sense it's a bit much, but a good move on their part in the sense that a lot of the artists will probably my make a social media post about the award which is good promo for the OCC. Plus it is probably easier for them to get interviews with artists for their website if they're giving out awards. So I can see it being a good business decision for the OCC. And at least these days there's not that many top 10 hits compared to like 2004 lol.

I think "collapse" is a bit over-dramatic but yeah she's falling quickly in comparison to a lot of other big hits. I've noticed Murder on the Dancefloor has fallen quite quickly the past couple of weeks as well (unfortunately). It was 100,000 away from Stick Season a while ago on Spotify, now it's close to Unwritten.

I was thinking a lot of the New York songs are probably referring to the city rather than the state. But there's not really much point in going through them all to try and work it out. :lol:

It's a different situation, because I haven't really seen anybody proclaim that Beyonce is flopping, whilst some people were saying that Dua and Ariana were flopping. I think if people were saying Beyonce was flopping people would come to her defence. To be honest I've even seen some people saying on Twitter that Break My Soul was a flop, which is just insane to me. Like I don't know what people's standards are anymore.

I don't know why Kanye is doing so well. But he deserves it. What a beautiful song. Thank you Kanye for blessing the world with your presence. Thank you.

I think it's mostly just because Miracle was released less than a year ago. It'll probably get to 2 million in a few years. One Kiss *only* sold about 1.5 million the year it came out as well, most of its sales were from afterwards.

Wow thanks for the links guys! And I have to say I'm quite impressed by my forecast in the 2nd thread. :lol: Yeah, at the time I think we all knew sales would eventually peak and streaming would take over. But if it happened "organically", like gooddelta says, it would have been a lot more gradual, like a period where the year-on-year sales increases flucuated between like -2% and +2%, then another period where they fluctuated between -5% and 0%, and so on, like a smooth peak and then a smooth transition to a decline. For the drop in sales to be so sudden, something happened. If you plotted all the year-on-year sales increase percentages on a graph for 2013 it would look really unnatural. Like if you saw that pattern on a population graph, you'd assume there'd been some war or disease, if you saw that pattern on a political opinion poll, you'd assume there'd been some scandal or something, if you saw that pattern in a company's stocks there'd be absolute panic in the boardroom that day lol. So I think absolutely something happened. BillyH's idea might be correct. It's the best answer I have of the cause of it. They did give out free Apple Music subscriptions to some iPhone users but I looked into it and the only cases I can find of it happening in 2013 don't coincide with the sales drop, so I don't think it can be that. So yeah, it might be free users getting unlimited plays of songs that convinced a lot of people to ditch downloads for good all at the same time. I think it was a big factor in the OCC adding streaming. I think not long before this they wrote in an article (in response to speculation that they would add streaming like Billboard did) that the singles chart is (and always has been) a sales chart, not a "popularity" chart like the Hot 100, so they won't be adding streaming. But I think when the sales market started dropping (especially so suddenly), they decided to reconsider.

In theory both statements could be true. Some of the country hits I've heard recently: Jelly Roll - Need a Favor (sounds like a Nickelback song) Keith Urban/Carrie Underwood - The Fighter (a disco song, full on pop) Gabby Barrett - I Hope (sounds like a Kelly Clarkson song) Bebe Rexha - Meant To Be, Sam Hunt - Body Like a Backroad, Morgan Wallen - Thinkin' Bout Me (all of them have trap beats) Zach Bryan - I Remember Everything (I don't exactly know what genre this is but I wouldn't have said country if I didn't know who the artist was and how the song has been marketed) Taylor Swift - I Can See You (sounds like a Maroon 5 song from 20 years ago) Beyonce's song can be both country-tinged and still more country than most of the songs on country radio in the US, because so many of the songs being played on country radio today often have little resemblance to the genre as it originated. But in comparison to what other songs can get passed as country music there is little excuse to exclude Beyonce's songs from country radio and country awards.

I think the Royel Otis version is great. I listened to it a couple of weeks ago because I saw a lot of the alternative stations in the US are playing it. I wasn't expecting it to do anything in the UK but it would be nice if it charted. There's also Skepta's version which I really like. They got Sophie to join them for one of their performances as well: WDqnnKtQycs

I generally agree with this, but you bring up Adele and she missed #1 with Skyfall at a time when she was the biggest pop star I've ever seen. And it's a great song too. It still did really well overall though, just not a #1 somehow.

To be honest the only thing I'd "expect" to be #1 first week (for example) would be a Taylor Swift lead single. I can't really think of any other artist at the moment who would be an almost guaranteed #1. It's up in the air for pretty much any other artist. And the same goes for top 10s although I guess the list of artists I'd expect it for is slightly longer than just Taylor Swift lol. Even The Weeknd recently had a song that took like 6 months to reach the top 10. And I know Beyonce is probably about to get a #1 but equally a Beyonce song can easily miss the top 40.

Yeah, the absolute peak was in 2013. One week I think in the summer/autumn sales just suddenly collapsed by like 10% compared to the previous year (before that they used to always be up a few percent) and they just kept falling after then. To this day I still don't know what event caused it, it was way too significant and sudden to be random. My guess is a load of iPhone users got given a free Apple Music subscription or something like that.

Yeah, I was thinking a while ago, it seems like it's been ages since someone got successfully cancelled. It was more a mid-10's thing. Now people just complain about it but it doesn't really happen anymore. :lol: I hope people can eventually realise that it doesn't really happen anymore and we can move on from all that. I was honestly pleasently surprised that Taylor Swift - Slut didn't cause any backlash, because I feel like around 2014 - 2019 time it probably would have (undeservedly).

I'm quite surprised T.H.E. has been outsold by Papi now.

Thanks. Looking at Lady Gaga's top songs it seems that the TikTok ones are declining 5-10% and the others are staying stable. So I guess significant drops but not enormous. It might help to push a lot of songs to ACR at least. :lol:

Is the songs being removed from TikTok having any noticeable effect on the charts yet?

Would Hung Up really have been able to get such a long chart run in 2005? :o

Whoever gets paid a lot of money by the other I assume. :lol: They will be best friends after that. In the corporate world you can invite your intended targets to a big dinner party, invite all the most important people you know, rent the most beautiful venue you can, give them extremely expensive champagne, book the nicest hotel in the city for them, the nicest limosines, shower them with complements, fly them out first class, etc, and suddenly the other party is willing to sign the deal you want. So I think it can be sorted out.

Almost every pop star has a peak, even those who are massively successful for decades, there's usually a period where they are at their biggest. I can't really think of any pop stars where you can't determine when their peak was, although I guess there will be a few with two very similar-sized peaks or who were maybe consistent at a low level for a long time.

There was another really popular remix of You & Me by Flume back then (I was thinking of it recently because I saw Flume in the Spotify chart).

Teenage Dirtbag is probably up there as well I would guess.

I'm not 100% sure but I think he's probably been on the Radio 2 playlist before. Maybe even as far back as 2013?