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NIt3PM5DF_c Watch the bit after 3:08 in this video. :lol:

Scream & Shout would have definitely been top 10 on UK Spotify. I doubt Work Bitch or any of her 2011 songs would have been though.

The thing is that Don't Play Nice and Champagne Showers were both at the low end of the top 200 in the year-end charts. So I would say they were roughly equal sized hits. Obviously Champagne Showers following on from Party Rock Anthem could/should have been a lot bigger, but if you ignore that then I don't think there's that much difference between them (certainly not a "hit" and "flop" sized difference). Someone did a countdown on here of all the follow-up singles of #1 hits that missed the top 20, and Champagne Showers was actually one of the best performing of the whole bunch. Natalia Kills became famous in the end because of the X Factor scandal though. :lol: I've actually researched into this incident a lot and I'm 99% sure now that she was set up. X Factor was absolutely brutal like that, they care only about their ratings.

Believe it or not record labels actually do use reception in clubs as tools to know what artists/songs to promote and even for new artists to sign. They send A&R scouts out to random clubs, concerts, live performances, etc. To see what songs and artists are being played and what reception they get. So if there was one at your club last night he'll be reporting that back to the label It sounds like the best job ever to me. :lol:

Well, "nobody" is an exaggeration of course, but this is the pattern with a lot of mega hits. I remember songs like Call Me Maybe and Somebody That I Used To Know acted like this at the beginning. If a song shoots up the charts just from 1 play on Radio 1 or one viral YouTube video that has 1 million views, or even Glastonbury. Those are small audiences, probably a couple of million people know the song so far. Imagine when 30 million people have heard the song. It's different with something like Green Green Grass for example. It's certainly smashing, but it's been exposed to tens of millions of people by now. It's been on big TV events, all over the radio, etc, so I wouldn't say for a certainty it will ever get to #1 (or much higher than it already has). But surely not many people can have heard BOTA yet, but since the few (million) who have are responding like this I think it's a surefire #1 really.

BOTA is probably going to be #1 until October if it's gaining this fast with nobody knowing the song yet.

Only 15 of the top 40 in the singles as well. And in the top 10 only As It Was was released in 2022. #2 to #10 were all released on 2021 apparrently.

Do you have the numbers by month? I want to compare it to the distribution of birthdays in the general population and see if there are any meaningful differences. 2,000 is a very good sample size for this kind of thing.

I was a fan of Gecko for a long time before the vocal mix came out as well. The instrumental version was a staple at clubs and raves around me for about 6 months before it got to #1. It's probably why they decided to give it a mainstream release because they knew from the early response that it would be a hit if it got on the radio. Pretty much the exact same thing happened with KDA - Rumble.

Ruth Lorenzo hasn't been in the charts since 2014?

Also Ella Henderson has actually had a hit song in the US before but it didn't make top 10 but had a long chart run.

I can't find anything about Fist Aid Kit either except that you can buy them for £10.99 on Amazon. You can probably buy Madonna or Cardi B for cheaper.

I reckon it's probably happened in a small country in the earlier days of Spotify because with lower numbers ties are more common.

I think Cher is Armenian. She had a lot of hits and also one of the biggest hits of all time. Also, they're not pop stars, but Ana Kasparian, Anita Sarkeesian and Kim Kardashian (and a bunch of her family) are also Armenian. And I've probably spelt all their surnames wrong, but maybe that's why Cher didn't use her surname. Apparently if you're Armenian your surname has to be a minimum of 4 syllables long. :lol:

The peak year for downloads was 2012 or 2013. I can't remember which but one of those two. The actual peak was around summer 2013 when they were frankly enormous, and then one week, all of a sudden they took a massive decline and they kept falling ever since. And nobody knows why. One of the biggest mysteries in pop music ever in my opinion. Also I don't know why people are surprised about Poker Face. I remember it was always like 100,000 ahead of Bad Romance in the download days. In the United States even Just Dance outsold Bad Romance by a big margin. The media attention for her outfits helped an incredible amount for Just Dance and Poker Face. She had newspaper articles written about her EVERY day in early 2009 because of whatever silly outfit she wore the previous day. And this was back before smartphones so physical newspapers were still a very common thing, on every train, bus, in every office, waiting room, bank, etc. It was fantastic promotion and meant that older people who had no interest in current pop music at the time knew who she was, but this all had already died down a lot by later part of the year when Bad Romance was out.

I'm actually really enjoying it that so many songs from my childhood have been getting sampled in recent years. Having Fergie and Ashanti on hits songs this year made me happy.

I'm not sure I'd exactly call Roll Deep a "self-contained" group either. The girls singing the choruses on their number-ones weren't part of the group, and not only that but a lot of the actual group members aren't in the songs.

Run the World wasn't massive when it came out and a lot of people hated it, but it has since become a bit of a feminist anthem so I was expecting it to be high.

Haha it's so true. Every big hit song of this year could have been released on a Wednesday and it would make no difference. To be honest, We Don't Talk About Bruno, Where Are You Now, Peru, Go, Down Under, etc, could even have been midweek releases for all I know, and As It Was could have been released any day of the week and it wouldn't have mattered. And Beyonce's last big hit here was Drunk In Love if I remember correctly and it debuted outside the top 40 and peaked on its 7th week. If her new song going to actually be a hit, then it will be.

I felt they tried to market Lana Del Rey as this generation's Kate Bush. I am NOT saying they are the same or as good as each other, or even that their music is similar, just how the label markets Lana. I guess a lot of this applies to Florence too, but they work hard in the first couple of years to make them famous, get them a few hit songs and a sizeable fanbase, and then once they've done that they can just release albums forever that can sell well with comparatively little promotion. Also Summertime Sadness and Spectrum = Something Good, that's another parallel.

Wow. So do actual year-end top 200s exist for future years was 2015 the last one?

I think they had already stopped doing year-end top 200s by 2015. Now we only ever get top 100s. I would say the best thing to do is find one of those countdowns that people on Buzzjack do. The highest song on there that isn't in the official year-end top 100 has a decent chance at being what #101 would have been. Either that or you can perhaps track down any estimated YTD or year-end charts by members of the public. The highest songs on their lists that didn't make the official year-end chart have a good chance at being what #101 would have been. Third option I can think of is put the Paul Woolford remix of Lay Me Down. It's really awesome and very different to the original so it won't feel like you've got the same song twice. I've been listening to this remix for years but never the original.

My ideal rule is that EVERY song is on "ACR" after it debuts on the chart, but back on SCR if it would reach a new peak on SCR. So every time a song debuts in the top 100 it will be on SCR so its streams are 1x obviously because that's a new peak. Then if it climbs the following week it stays with a 1x multiplier, if it falls then it's now on ACR and its multiplier is based on its position the previous week. If it was at #1 its multiplier is 0.900x, if it was at #51 then its multiplier is 0.950x, if it was #100 then its multiplier is 0.999x. Basically the formula is 0.9**x, where ** is your chart position -1. Then if it falls again then next week's multiplier is multiplied with the song's previous week's multiplier. And then the process goes on until the song reaches a new peak or drops out of the chart (and it sort of sounds complicated but a computer could be made to do this very easily imo). I think this is better because: 1. The really massive hits that stick around for years now will eventually fall much further than the 0.5x multiplier of current ACR. Christmas songs as well. 2. You won't get those weird chart runs like where a song is top 10 for 15 weeks and then suddenly drops to #37. It will look more gradual and natural. 3. Big hits won't be almost guaranteed 9 weeks at #1. In fact if you've managed to be #1 for 5 weeks in your 6th week your "ACR multiplier" will already be at about 0.6x, not too much more than current ACR. If you've been at #1 for 10 weeks then your multiplier will be about 0.4x. 4. Basically, I think the charts will look a lot more like the UK singles charts of the past, where 6+ weeks at #1 was quite rare, where almost every new release from a major record label made the chart each week, where songs would have shorter chart runs, debuts in the top 40, top 10, etc, would be more common.

Kate Bush and Cat Burns both deserve to be #1 honestly. IFTK does as well. It's funny because I had a discussion on here with a La Roux fan saying they never heard of the Skream remix when it was out (which I find unbelievable), and then a couple of weeks later IFTK got released! I think it was the best-selling song in 2009 that missed #1 so it would be nice if it made it now.

Why would Liam's comments get any news coverage or cause anything to go viral on TikTok? That's a bit extreme. We're only an Internet forum in the grand scheme of things, I don't think anything anybody says here will have any impact on iTunes.