Eric_Blob

I'm actually really enjoying it that so many songs from my childhood have been getting sampled in recent years. Having Fergie and Ashanti on hits songs this year made me happy.

I'm not sure I'd exactly call Roll Deep a "self-contained" group either. The girls singing the choruses on their number-ones weren't part of the group, and not only that but a lot of the actual group members aren't in the songs.

I think it helps for them that they never had the super-fast charts that we had in the past (their charts WERE a lot faster for example the 80's but still nothing compared to ours where 10 weeks in the top 10 used to be incredible) and also that they don't have the "top 40 countdown on the radio each week" tradition and less media attention on the charts. Probably what I think might bother them more is that they regularly have entire albums charting, sometimes very high up the chart. Multiple times a month. It's probably a good thing for them because they rely on it to push the big hits into recurrancy, but we had 2 weeks of it with Ed Sheeran and it prompted a lot of complaints in the media and with the public and it resulted in a rule change.

You've clearly never visited Yahoo Answers, 4chan, Reddit, Something Awful or Quora before then. :lol: Twitter and Youtube function a lot like forums as well (each tweet and video uploaded is like the opening post and the replies and comments are the rest of the thread), and are also full of trolling.

lol. I genuinely think Out Of Your Mind is a really catchy song and I love the instrumental to it, I like the variety of sounds in it like the harp, strings, drums (well they're all just synths but you know what I mean). The autotune is a bit over the top I guess but it's a very electronic song so it sort of fits. I don't know why so many people hate it so much. There were worse UK garage songs.

Run the World wasn't massive when it came out and a lot of people hated it, but it has since become a bit of a feminist anthem so I was expecting it to be high.

Haha it's so true. Every big hit song of this year could have been released on a Wednesday and it would make no difference. To be honest, We Don't Talk About Bruno, Where Are You Now, Peru, Go, Down Under, etc, could even have been midweek releases for all I know, and As It Was could have been released any day of the week and it wouldn't have mattered. And Beyonce's last big hit here was Drunk In Love if I remember correctly and it debuted outside the top 40 and peaked on its 7th week. If her new song going to actually be a hit, then it will be.

I felt they tried to market Lana Del Rey as this generation's Kate Bush. I am NOT saying they are the same or as good as each other, or even that their music is similar, just how the label markets Lana. I guess a lot of this applies to Florence too, but they work hard in the first couple of years to make them famous, get them a few hit songs and a sizeable fanbase, and then once they've done that they can just release albums forever that can sell well with comparatively little promotion. Also Summertime Sadness and Spectrum = Something Good, that's another parallel.

Wow. So do actual year-end top 200s exist for future years was 2015 the last one?

I think they had already stopped doing year-end top 200s by 2015. Now we only ever get top 100s. I would say the best thing to do is find one of those countdowns that people on Buzzjack do. The highest song on there that isn't in the official year-end top 100 has a decent chance at being what #101 would have been. Either that or you can perhaps track down any estimated YTD or year-end charts by members of the public. The highest songs on their lists that didn't make the official year-end chart have a good chance at being what #101 would have been. Third option I can think of is put the Paul Woolford remix of Lay Me Down. It's really awesome and very different to the original so it won't feel like you've got the same song twice. I've been listening to this remix for years but never the original.

My ideal rule is that EVERY song is on "ACR" after it debuts on the chart, but back on SCR if it would reach a new peak on SCR. So every time a song debuts in the top 100 it will be on SCR so its streams are 1x obviously because that's a new peak. Then if it climbs the following week it stays with a 1x multiplier, if it falls then it's now on ACR and its multiplier is based on its position the previous week. If it was at #1 its multiplier is 0.900x, if it was at #51 then its multiplier is 0.950x, if it was #100 then its multiplier is 0.999x. Basically the formula is 0.9**x, where ** is your chart position -1. Then if it falls again then next week's multiplier is multiplied with the song's previous week's multiplier. And then the process goes on until the song reaches a new peak or drops out of the chart (and it sort of sounds complicated but a computer could be made to do this very easily imo). I think this is better because: 1. The really massive hits that stick around for years now will eventually fall much further than the 0.5x multiplier of current ACR. Christmas songs as well. 2. You won't get those weird chart runs like where a song is top 10 for 15 weeks and then suddenly drops to #37. It will look more gradual and natural. 3. Big hits won't be almost guaranteed 9 weeks at #1. In fact if you've managed to be #1 for 5 weeks in your 6th week your "ACR multiplier" will already be at about 0.6x, not too much more than current ACR. If you've been at #1 for 10 weeks then your multiplier will be about 0.4x. 4. Basically, I think the charts will look a lot more like the UK singles charts of the past, where 6+ weeks at #1 was quite rare, where almost every new release from a major record label made the chart each week, where songs would have shorter chart runs, debuts in the top 40, top 10, etc, would be more common.

I agree. They can use that as the rule now, although it would mean they have to take Taylor Swift, Frank Ocean, Arctic Monkeys, etc, off ACR this week because those would all probably get new peaks. But I don't see the problem, they're "new" songs in a way, and it was quite fun in the download era that many old songs could chart well. And at least they would have a rule they can follow rather than having to decide on a case-by-case basis, and then have to deal with drama on the Internet and from record labels. I'm glad Kate Bush is reset, but if there's no proper rule created then I can guarantee it will cause problems in the future, even if they're behind the scenes and we never hear about them. And I think the rule you mentioned is the best. It's a simple rule as well, and I would say justifiable and one most people would agree with. Plus a lot of old songs that get surges to new peaks would probably just be on SCR for 3 weeks and back to ACR anyway. It would also allow a lot of different Christmas songs to have a chance at making #1 (Wham and Mariah have already been #1 so they will be on permanent ACR anyway with these rules meaning things like The Pogues and Leona Lewis (basically all Christmas classics that can stream more than half of Mariah) can each go to #1 one-by-one over the years which I think would be nice. One issue is that at Christmas you would likely have situations where a song might be able to chart one position above its previous peak on SCR, so should get reset, but then a song above does the same thing pushing the first song back to only matching its peak, so they'd have to keep it on ACR (but might forget due to the changes higher up the chart). But that can be solved from starting from the top of the charts and working down. The other potential problem is that an old song might surge to a new peak, get reset, and then just stay stable for months and never consistently decline. But that's kind of what a lot of hit songs do now anyway.

Kate Bush and Cat Burns both deserve to be #1 honestly. IFTK does as well. It's funny because I had a discussion on here with a La Roux fan saying they never heard of the Skream remix when it was out (which I find unbelievable), and then a couple of weeks later IFTK got released! I think it was the best-selling song in 2009 that missed #1 so it would be nice if it made it now.

Why would Liam's comments get any news coverage or cause anything to go viral on TikTok? That's a bit extreme. We're only an Internet forum in the grand scheme of things, I don't think anything anybody says here will have any impact on iTunes.

Didn't Little Mix get all the way to #1 with a post-album single recently? Or was it a pre-album single that climbed there after album release?

Why haven't they done a 3rd single for Adele? It's absolutely bizarre. Loads of the album tracks are good. I do remember with her last album there was quite a long gap between When We Were Young and Send My Love, but it wasn't as long as this. I don't know if they're just sitting around waiting for one of them to take off on TikTok or something but you can't guarantee that will ever happen, let alone in the next few months. Maybe her album underperformed so they're freaking out, but it still did better than basically every other album in the past few years and if they don't do anything now she's going to get outperformed by Olivia Rodrigo which doesn't have to be the case if they try harder. I would say get one of her album tracks and re-do it as a piano ballad. That's what people seem to like most from Adele. Either that or get a good drum & bass remix of one of her songs and use that as a single as that's becoming trendy now and it would surprise a lot of people. There was a popular drum & bass remix of Hometown Glory back in the day.

Kate Bush's streams are just incredible! I don't know how fast it will drop down once the buzz has worn off but I think it will be in the top 200 for years after this. It was probably getting 20,000+ streams a day on Spotify before this anyway and I could see it stabilising at 50,000+ streams a day with its new fans. We already know it's a song that people will listen to for decades.

The thing that annoys me most about the royal family is the child abuse and human trafficking cover-ups. Which I'm probably going to be punished for even mentioning, but it's true and they are so powerful they can get away with it.

I think they would if they were asked to. It hasn't charted in like 10 years and it might reach a new peak. It's different to Perfect getting a reset just so it can be in the top 40 for a few more weeks.

Diplo works for Radio 1 (or at least did in the past). That's probably something to do with it. :lol:

Well, the reason they can't is because they sign massive contracts at the beginning stating that they are not allowed to say a LOT of things. Lawyers are involved when they sign it, and will be involved if they break the contract. The pop star's pop music career is basically over if they reveal certain secrets about the inner workings of the music industry. The rare cases of people like Ke$ha who speak out, well she wanted out of her contract anyway. Halsey likely wants to continue her mainstream pop career so I don't think she will speak out. Which is why I think Halsey is doing this as part of an orchestrated marketing campaign here. This sort of thing fits very well with the image they've created for her over the years. And it's far from the first time they've used the "female artist goes against her label's orders" story as a marketing strategy. It's happened countless of times. You can basically tell if it's real by how much they get punished for it.

Didn't Spectrum have a really big climb to #1? 95-1 or something like that I thought.

You're all forgetting their collaboration with Far East Movement. The two most iconic pop groups of the 10's on one song was absolutely magical.

I would love it if Go went to #1. I don't know why the Goddard remix is so popular (I've tried to research why and I haven't found anything except people saying they've heard it on the radio) but it's great and I love it so I don't care.

Adorn is a beautiful song and I heard it around a lot at the time. But it wasn't the kind of song to sell well, and even in the US it didn't. If I remember correctly there was a Jessie Ware remix which Heart FM playlisted for a bit, which was quite adventurous for them, they normally only play certified smash hit songs It was a record breaking song though, I think it's the most-played song of the decade on Urban AC stations in the US in history. To me I kind of think of it as last decade's version of Mario - Let Me Love You.