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I was annoyed by Rihanna when she beat Maroona, but all is forgiven this week. It deserves to stay number one this week.

He was heavily featured on the Radio 1 Teen Awards, and Radio 1 have played his performance a few times since.

You are wrong about Greg. I've already posted in this thread about how he played a bit of it when playing back a clip of a telephone conversation with one of his friends where they were discussing the dance routine they were planning for it when they go on holiday. He described it as "their song", which suggests it's one of his favourites. Incidentally, Fern Cotton also forgot the script today when talking about the Michael Jackson tribute. The official reporter was talking about all of the Radio 1 approved acts, with some dull clips of Leona and JLS when Fern started talking about how amazing Alexandra's performance was.

Greg played a bit of it on his own show when he played back a recording of a telephone conversation between him and one of his friends. His friend had been working on dance moves for it for their impending holiday, and Greg described it as "their song", so obviously he's a fan. It is popular with a Radio 2 audience, but it's apparent it's popular with a lot of teenagers and people in their twenties too. Radio 1 misjudged its appeal, and all the guff about them not needing support or being played on Radio 2 or Heart doesn't alter the fact they got it wrong. They've have been all over it like a rash if they thought it would be a big seller. This is what I think Radio 1 should be doing with songs that have fallen through the official playlist gap. Clearly not everything can get on, and never mind whether or not the acts need the airplay, their listeners should reasonably expect to get to hear the year's biggests sellers from time to time, and not just during the chart show. As it happens, Edith Bowman played it this morning. I've no idea how she introduced it as I wasn't paying attention, but it seems as if common sense is prevailing. Either that or they are terrified it really will make number one and be the year's biggest seller without getting played on their station except when forced to do so.

THey've given the link twice, plus a whole string of tweets giving a countdown to it becoming available and encouraging retweets about it. It's a bit odd.

I think it's perfectly reasonable for Joe's album to be subject to discussion in this chart prediction thread, because his position does keep changing, and his weekly, and overall, chart trajectory is unusual. Someone should be able to point out that he's hanging on in there much better than expected, and hanging around longer than the higher profile, expected hits. I think his chart run is fascinating, and I think a lot of people are interested in that, as well as enjoying seeing someone who was written off having a change of fortunes. It's not often that someone who has been subject to that much criticism (in the general media) manages to recover from it. That's not having a go at the other acts who are doing near enough what it expected of them, and there was never any need for anyone to have a go at torresgirl for saying so. If she'd just been allowed to make her, perfectly reasonable, and on-topic point without harassment, this thread would have remained on topic. It goes without saying that it's very likely that albums that are not Joe's and are dropping down the charts faster than him will get a second wind with the release of subsequent singles. There is no need for fans of those artists to feel threatened, because I'm sure they'll all sell well enough no matter what Joe's chart run and final sales are. If for some reason they don't sell that well, it will be for a reason other than Joe's surprising chart pattern.

It's amazing how Joe keeps climbing up the midweeks, and I wonder if that's because of lingering stock issues. I noticed on Monday that his was the only chart album with no stock. Demand for the album outstripped everyone's expectations, so perhaps Universal are throttling sales to the shops, which will reduce sales on any given week, but might keep them steady over a longer period. Whatever the cause, it is amusing to see people predicting his doom, then having to acknowledge that he's still hanging in there on a weekly basis. It's funny to see all of the sour grapes at play from the people who wrote him off, many before they'd even heard his first single. :teresa: It's OK. Most people appreciated your comment for what it was - that Joe is doing much better than expected, and is holding up well in the charts against people who were supposed to be a shoe-in for much better sales. It's just some people are over-sensitive and then over-defensive. You did nothing wrong, but unfortunately when it comes to some artists, even the most bland comment will be interpreted as a slight that needs defending. Ironically, nobody seemed to find fault with making comparisons between Joe and Will in this thread. I hope Nicola can hang in there. It's a good album, and while I don't expect her to have massive success, especially without much media support, or airplay, there is a market for her kind of pop. I'd like to see certain radio stations (and DJs) proved wrong on this one too.

This thread is about the relative sales, so that's exactly why they can and should be compared in the way I did it. This is the chart forum, not the critical integrity forum. All you Will fans have always been keen to tell people how well he was selling when his sales overwhelmed the critical response, so you should extend the courtesy to other singers too. I'm not sure that Joe needs your concern, but I'm guessing your hope that he does well comes with the caveat "so long as Will does better".

Their respective total sales will depend on how much more promotion they can muster. Will's done more than Joe so far, and IMO doing a much hyped, and well advertised ITV special gave him just as much of a boost, if not more, than Joe doing PSTOS. Will had high profile performances on other prime time tv too, such as Chatty Man, and more recently Jonathon Ross, as well as actual airplay, album of the week on Radio 2 and as TT points out, it's had loads of media support with features in all of the main newspapers etc. As far as I'm aware, Joe hasn't done any prime time tv performances since PSTOS, and it's all been day-time stuff on This Morning plus QVC, except for some adverts during X Factor. Both acts will have had an existing audience, with Will getting a bit of a lift from the much publicised involvement of celebrity producer, Richard X, as well as his own hard-core. Joe's people were clever to include a track like Dance with My Father on his album, because that would connect a lot of people who loved him from X Factor. Will's going to be releasing another single, which is bound to keep sales steady, especially as he's got other high profile appearances lined up such as Strictly, and his future singles will all boost his sales. The question is really whether or not Joe will get wide media support as Christmas approaches becoming the gift of choice for aunts and grans across the nation. If he does, he could end up with incredibly impressive sales for the genre. Ironically, Will always used to have the reputation as being something for your nan, and this album seemed like a deliberate attempt to move away from that image. The battle was never between Will and Joe. Will was always going to do pretty well, while Joe's battle was to get media support. Even people who don't care much for his music seem pleased to see Joe do well because he was seen to be a victim of Cowell's cruel ways. People love the idea of giving Cowell the finger. I bet Joe gets an appearance on SCD too, and he'll be the subject of a lot of media coverage as X Factor progresses. Ironically (again), much of Will's promotion in the early days was based on the idea that he had to fight against Cowell who was supposedly always trying to thwart him, which won him a lot of general public support. Obviously the "Simon was mean to me" approach is not fool-proof as evidenced by Steve Brookstein!

I'd like Saturdays to get a number one some time, but not with All Fired Up. It's not special enough compared to songs like Up or Higher.

I'm glad it's pushed back. I mean, I want to hear it, but having the song go to radio the same day as Matt's wasn't a good idea. The link doesn't work for me. :(

So you weren't trying for a laugh when you said singing opera didn't require talent and anyone could sing it? It gave me a good laugh.

Congratulations on stating the obvious, but considering your irrational hatred of everything he does, and unwillingness to let his fans enjoy what success he has, I thought it odd that you moaned about people being negative in here. I've not noticed you being all that irrationally and hypocritically negative in other threads, so I do apologise if there are others I should have listed. So I'll rephrase the question - is there a reason why you only apply the "it's pathetic to be so negative" philosophy to some artists, but not others?

Do you apply this philosophy to the whole site, such as the Joe McElderry threads, or is this just for the people you like?

Except poor old Steve* didn't get a proper follow-up launch/second single. That was his winner's song, and his only single. *Not that I liked him much, and he was the co-author of his own undoing, but he did get treated dreadfully. Matt's song is a bit dull, but I don't think his fans should be too disheartened that people are queuing up to be critical. It's a song from an X Factor winner. Everyone wants to express their opinion when he, or another finalist releases their proper debut. If everyone expressed their opinion on most new releases after one listen, most people would be saying they don't much like it.