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So for the past year the top 10 countries for youtube and streaming Take That were: 1.UK (Europe) 2.Italy (Europe) 3.Germany (Europe) 4.Brazil (South America) 5.USA (North America) 6.Spain (Europe) 7.Argentina (South America) 8.Chile (South America) 9.Ireland (Europe) 10.Mexico (North America) 5 - Europe, 3 - South America & 2 - North America So a strong presence in Europe, and North/South America this past year. They seriously need to do their first time North & South American tours next year to repay their loyal fans. Other highest nations from other continents for past year: 15.Australia (Australasia) 17.Japan (Asia) 49.South Africa (Africa) As the global leading market here are the top 10 USA places that watched/streamed Take That last year: 1.New York 2.Los Angeles 3.Chicago 4.Houston 5.Washington 6.Dallas 7.San Francisco 8.Miami 9.Atlanta 10.Philadelphia. Top 10 places listening and streaming Take That past year 1.London,UK (Europe) 2.Santiago,Chile (South America) 3.Dublin,Ireland (Europe) 4.Rome,Italy (Europe) 5.Milan,Italy (Europe) 6.Lima,Peru (South America) 7.Tel Aviv,Israel (Asia) 8.Budapest,Hungary (Europe) 9.Sao Paulo,Brazil (South America) 10.Liverpool,UK (Europe) 6 - Europe, 3 - South America & 1 Asia

That may be so in your opinion, however neither have had one song as successful as Back For Good was all over the world. #1 in 31 nations all over the world and BSB 'I Want It That Way' #1 in 25 nations. Westlife never impacted the world so much with just one song so regardless of record sales, TT reached a level in higher than both have, regardless if only brief. Though as I've said before, over time both sold more as they got out to the whole world touring far more than TT were willing to.

Touring as far as I can see makes a huge difference. My biggest wish for Take That in all phases was that they got out there and toured Africa, North America and South America at least once and Asia and Australia far more also. Gary mentions they all had ambition. How can that be so if they never truly took their music and tours all around the world? Howard and Jason were against too much travel and work back then, which I feel held them back. Robbie, Gary and Mark have all said they wish they had gone for it more back in the 90's. Taking the past two tours since 2015 and showing the effects of this (UK excluded) on the top 100 places for last year reads like this: 3.Dublin,Ireland 5.Milan,Italy 7.Tel Aviv,Israel 17.Vienna,Austria 21.Berlin,Germany 23.Bangkok,Thailand 24.Sydney,Australia 25.Melbourne,Australia 36.Hamburg,Germany 37.Singapore,Singapore 39.Munich,Germany 45.Cologne,Germany 48.Zurich,Switzerland 53.Amsterdam,Netherlands 55.Brisbane,Australia 56.Perth,Australia 59.Dubai,UAE 96.Adelaide,Australia As for the countries as a whole in the top 100: 2.Italy 3.Germany 9.Ireland 15.Australia 16.Netherlands 19.Israel 21.Denmark 22.Austria 30.Switzerland 32.Thailand 45.New Zealand 46.Singapore 48.UAE 91.Jersey I think this shows that touring has a huge effect and is still the most effective way to create interest and success. Top 10 places in UK past year 1.London 2.Liverpool 3.Glasgow 4.Birmingham 5.Leeds 6.Manchester 7.Sheffield 8.Newcastle 9.Bristol 10.Edingburgh So aside from London and Bristol in south and Birmingham in the midlands, a very strong northern presence with Scotland in as well.

Hi there, Found this really interesting site for youtube and streaming artists statistics for past year. Here's Take That. https://charts.youtube.com/artist/%2Fm%2F02...0Z&hl=en-GB I find it fascinating to see which countries are viewing/streaming them. Perhaps something for the management to look at for the remainder of the World Tour. Stats based on top 100: Top 10 (if applicable) countries per continent: UK excluded. Africa 1.South Africa 2.Egypt 3.Algeria 4.Morocco 5.Kenya 6.Tunisia 7.Mauritius 8.Madagascar 9.Nigeria Asia 1.Japan 2.Israel 3.Taiwan 4.Indonesia 5.Thailand 6.Philippines 7.South Korea 8.India 9.Vietnam 10.Malaysia Australasia 1.Australia 2.New Zealand Other small islands not in top 100. Europe 1.Italy 2.Germany 3.Spain 4.Ireland 5.France 6.Czech Republic 7.Hungary 8.Poland 9.Netherlands 10.Russia North America 1.USA 2.Mexico 3.Canada 4.Costa Rica 5.El Salvador 6.Guatemala 7.Panama 8.Honduras 9.Nicaragua 10.Trinidad & Tobago South America 1.Brazil 2.Argentina 3.Chile 4.Peru 5.Colombia 6.Ecuador 7.Venezuela 8.Bolivia 9.Uruguay 10.Paraguay Total countries out of 100: 43 Europe, 24 Asia, 12 North America, 10 South America, 9 Africa & 2 Australasia. Top 10 Audience Places Per Continent based on top 100 (if applicable) UK excluded. Africa None in top 100 Asia 1.Tel Aviv, Israel 2.Bangkok, Thailand 3.Jakarta, Indonesia 4.Singapore, Singapore 5.Seoul, South Korea 6.Dubai, UAE 7.Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia 8.Hong Kong, Hong Kong 9.Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam 10.Quezon City, Philippines Australasia 1.Sydney, Australia 2.Melbourne, Australia 3.Brisbane, Australia 4.Perth, Australia 5.Adelaide, Australia Europe 1.Dublin, Ireland 2.Rome, Italy 3.Milan, Italy 4.Budapest, Hungary 5.Madrid, Spain 6.Vienna, Austria 7.Warsaw, Poland 8.Paris, France 9.Prague, Czech Republic 10.Berlin, Germany North America 1.Mexico City, Mexico 2.New York, USA 3.Toronto, Canada 4.Los Angeles, USA South America 1.Santiago, Chile 2.Lima, Peru 3.Sao Paulo, Brazil 4.Buenos Aires, Argentina 5.Bogota, Colombia 6.Rio de Janeiro, Brazil 7.Quito, Ecuador 8.Guayaquil, Ecuador 9.Belo Horizonte, Brazil 10.Fortaleza, Brazil Total places out of 100: 66 Europe, 13 South America, 12 Asia, 5 Australasia, 4 North America & Africa none. Robbie Williams top 10 past year 1.Mexico 2.UK 3.Italy 4.Argentina 5.Germany 6.Brazil 7.USA 8.Peru 9.Spain 10.France 5 Europe, 3 South America & 2 North America. Gary Barlow 1.UK 2.Brazil 3.Indonesia 4.Germany 5.USA 6.Italy 7.Poland 8.Argentina 9.Spain 10.Philippines 5 Europe, 2 Asia, 2 South America & 1 North America Unfortunately Mark doesn't have a statistics page...

... Nobody said either of those things nor was it referenced as such in the said article. A sign of youthful sensibility perhaps, though you're right they're both on same levels of achievement. If you are referring to my want for them to remain the biggest selling boyband in the UK that's just natural as a fan. Based on Official Charts Company UK sales as it stands at the moment: TT: 13.7 mil albums / 10.6 mil singles = 24.3 million Westlife: 12 mil albums / 7.4 mil singles = 19.4 million 4.9 million in total more records sold by TT. However TT were a huge 7.5 million records behind when they got back together in 2005, so you never know. You know what though? It doesn't matter there's more to life than two pop bands. You'll see that one day. Ultimately it's music not stats that may or may not out live both groups. It's just nice to know TT have sold so well. What I will say however is, TT fans accepted when WL were millions of records sold ahead of them in the UK with no fuss all those years. Then it changed in the other direction with TT currently millions more sold than Westlife in the UK. Difference being WL fans unlike Take That fans have a hard time accepting this change, which I don't understand as Westlife have sold slightly more worldwide. So why the big fuss over the UK? You know Everything Changes right? However, with Westlife's return I hope their fans have matured as well. Hopefully the new music will reflect this.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/75202...e-that-success/ I suppose this was quite inevitable so will be interesting to see. I'd just like TT to remain the biggest in the UK on sales. Having Ed Sheeran write you a song doesn't always work, look at Boyzone, that song didn't go anywhere.

I can see OOOH being used in the Christmas ad and that will at least help it along it this is the case.

Agree totally Milly. They want success though no longer promote or sync campaigns like they did up to Progress era.

That's actually a really good point that I never thought about actually. My Love is an original song and in their top 10 3 covers. Surely that should have told them to stick with originals though we know that didn't happen. It's good My Love but the music video isn't amazing in my opinion.

Top 10 Update of You Tube Views for Westlife and Take That WESTLIFE 1- My Love 169,169,335 (Coast To Coast) 2- If I Let You Go 84,182,579 (Westlife) 3- You Raise Me Up 70,539,504 (Face To Face) 4- Fool Again 66,805,380 (Westlife) 5- Seasons In The Sun 42,323,603 (Westlife) 6- Swear It Again 40,811,728 (Westlife) 7- I Lay My Love on You 38,987,316 (Coast To Coast) 8- Queen Of My Heart 38,458,709 (World Of Our Own) 9- I Have a Dream 32,075,445 (Westlife) 10- Flying Without Wings 29,578,753 (Westlife) TAKE THAT 1- The Flood 37,063,800 (Progress) 2- Back for Good 34,374,830 (Nobody Else) 3- Rule The World 28,128,210 (Beautiful World) 4- Patience 26,489,090 (Beautiful World) 5- These Days 16,741,218 (III) 6- Greatest Day 16,001,311 (The Circus) 7- How Deep Is Your Love 13,702,318 (Greatest Hits) 8- Shine 12,773,212 (Beautiful World) 9- Love Love 11,053,273 (Progress) 10- Kidz 8,994,735 (Progress) Big congratulations for Westlife - My Love going over 100 million views truly is impressive. Take That - The Progress reunion era really was a big hit period for them as was Beautiful World. Nice that every reunion album has a song represented in their top 10 apart from Wonderland. These Days has done far better than I had thought also. We'll never know what TT views would have been if YT was around at the time.

I agree I prefer Boyzone to Westlife. I feel they had more charm and down to earth, though overall were weaker vocally. They did covers but the original songs were a good mix of fast and slow tracks.

I completely agree and think you may be right ... if this was 1999 and comparing. During Take That absent years I agreed and thought Westlife were collectively better singers, though not in songs or overall musicality. However, since the reunion as a collective I'm inclined to say Take That overall are vocally better than Westlife. Gary and Robbie were always strong vocalists with character. Mark/Howard could sing to a certain style to fit their voices. Jason played guitar or danced. Now Gary and Robbie are the same still, Mark has more versatility and Howard is stronger vocally and all are consistently strong. Jason is like Mark and Howard in the 90's he has a great tone and can sing a song best suited to his abilities i.e Wooden Boat though isn't as versatile vocally as the other four. Westlife have two amazing singers for the style they sang, fact. Shane and Mark are arguably better in this slow style, though Gary and Robbie are able to suit different musical styles/genres. Brian was also a good singer. Kian is okay though not great and Nicky from the few album tracks lines I've heard can't really sing. As it stands today, man for man. I feel Take That vocally have overtaken Westlife, this is just my opinion however.

Interesting article with more details. https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/what...-good-1-9367946 I'm so pleased they mentioned South America and the US for later in the year as the fans were so disappointed when they were left off the tour announcement. Plus it's about time too, I hope Canada is included also. If a single comes with music video and whatnot, I'm guessing it would be a new song. However, if they did one new and one old using the duets, I think the Boyz II Men duet would work as the original LAHA is so under-rated and overlooked. HDIYL and RTW already had/have a big impact.

That's a good point, I didn't think about that. I know this sounds tribal but I really hope Westlife don't do to TT what TT return did to them! If they do I'm sure it'll be interesting.

I agree. Singles wise I'd be surprised if anything big happens on that front or many sales acquired. Album may sneak #1 but I don't think it'll be a huge seller.

I like the features they are really good artists. So Get Ready For It and Shine are the only two songs untouched as it were, interesting.

Sales of both acts (albums/singles) per decade in the UK: 90's Take That: 8,271,000 Westlife: 2,202,814 00's Westlife: 14,796,335 Take That: 9,972,119 10's Take That: 5,443,261 Westlife: 978,237 As shown it really can't be underestimated how much of a force Westlife truly were in the 00's in British sales. Blue (2002) and Busted (2003 & 2004) both had better sales for those calendar years, putting Westlife down to runner up spot. However neither group lasted nor completely took Westlife out completely. In 2004 they were third biggest behind Busted and McFly and again in 2009 behind TT and JLS. This was their lowest ranks until going further down in their departure year. Westlife were the only one out of the two compared groups to break 10 million sales for a decade, though Take That were very close in the 00's to doing this also. Year on year sales it really is obvious to see that Take That return at first slightly then drastically tumbled Westlife huge sales to respectable numbers, however no longer blockbusting. JLS mainly are to be mentioned as well in affecting Westlife sales. When Westlife split up they were the fifth biggest selling boyband behind Take That, JLS, The Wanted and One Direction, who outsold them with their huge debut single alone. Westlife were the fifth biggest on departure and I suppose the writing was on the wall back then. The 2010's was their downfall with huge new rival younger boybands and an existing massive man band, and biggest of them all, ultimately placed them out of the market. Number 1's (singles/abums) in UK per decade 90's Take That: 11 Westlife: 4 00's Westlife: 17 Take That: 5 10's Take That: 3 Westlife: 0 Total Combined: Westlife: 21 Take That: 19

With the Westlife 4 man version reunion imminent, let's refresh the state of play and UK sales between the two biggest boybands in British music history. TT: 13.8 mil albums / 10.2 mil singles = 24 million Westlife: 12 mil albums / 7.2 mil singles = 19.2 million 4.8 million in total more records sold by TT. Can they be caught? Take That had to overcome far more records than that from 2005 and overtook WL UK sales in 2009 some four years of huge success later. They have refused Brian offer to reform as a five and because of that their old label Syco and Simon Cowell has said he won't be apart of the reunion, having wanted the full 5 or nothing. They have signed with Universal instead. Maybe they are hoping to do a Take That? Continue as a four then in time bring Brian onboard? Thoughts?

27 tracks, 3 of which are new meaning 24 older. I'm guessing 12 and 12 1st phase and reunion. It'll be interesting the 12 picked for the second half. disc 1: probably all 8 #1's plus Love Ain't Here, Takes A Minute, Could It be Magic and A Million Love Songs. Why Can't I Wake Up With You dropped? disc 2: the 4 UK #1's plus Rule, Said It All and the Flood, the 4 other top 20 singles plus 1 other? Unless I'd Wait For Life is dropped also favour of another top 40 track, of which they have had two Kidz and Cry. I feel bad for the foreign TT fans as they were hyped up with flag emojis and promises of a tour finally on their continent only for the announcement of ..... the UK and ....... Europe. If they are still working it out should have told the fans as much. I mean can you imagine how devastating the announcement must have been? No wonder so many aren't happy.

It wouldn't hit #1 for 4 weeks put it that way .... however it's a different style, not full on pop, so has served it's purpose in that way. I think the originals are so familiar at this point it will take a few spins to get used to not listening out for certain parts in newer versions. I agree with above doing the hits this way has opened up opportunity for studio versions of the newer tracks to be a potential future possibility and so they have been clever in that respect. I wish they took a gamble on the European leg and gone to nations like Poland and Portugal where they have never toured. Though France is a big market and at least they will have finally done a proper tour date there in Paris next year.

Take That World Tour: European Leg Dates Released 29x UK 4x Germany 2x Belgium 2x Ireland 2x Italy 1x Austria 1x Denmark 1x France * First ever tour date in country 1x Netherlands 1x Switzerland I hope The other legs are announced at some point so those fans don't feel left out.

Mark said at the Cologne show that the German part of tour would be May/June 2019.

I hope the tour is long as they should have gone to a lot of these places back when. Better late than never and with a full Greatest Hits album with them they have good reason. Take That have always put things into perspective so the venues will be fitting of their status in that region. It depends on promotion done in those countries before hand as well. I think they'll sell the venues they pick. A fan years ago did research based on local social media figures for North/South America and found the biggest TT hot spots so to speak and who daily mentions TT. He worked out a tour and venues based on this data and it was decent venues. South America http://www.radiocremebrulee.com/take-that/...n-south-america USA http://www.radiocremebrulee.com/take-that/...-tour-in-the-us Israel, UAE and Aus/NZ they played venues other top artists play aka arenas and this will be the same I imagine.

The band have put out a tweet asking for flag emojis of where this world tour should go. Now being a tad sad I gathered up the information up to this point and wrote down the countries mentioned by fans. This world tour is the most exciting aspect of the 30 year celebration for me as it's LONG overdue! The absolute clear favourite is Spain by far in terms of responses followed by the USA and then Israel. So at moment it looks like this from response .... The most prominent responses are the countries from North/South America as expected and they are listed below. Highlighted are the countries never toured before. Brackets last year toured in that country. AFRICA South Africa ASIA China Indonesia (1995) Israel (2017) Japan (1995) Thailand (2016) UAE (2017) AUSTRALASIA Australia (2017) EUROPE Belgium (1995) France Germany (2015) Ireland (2017) Italy (2015) Netherlands (2015) Poland Portugal Spain (2007) Sweden (2006) UK (2017) NORTH AMERICA Canada USA SOUTH AMERICA Argentina Brazil Chile If they want to tread old ground as well these are remaining nations they're previously toured and year. Austria (2015) Denmark (2015) Finland (1994) New Zealand (2017) Singapore (2016) Switzerland (2015) Taiwan (2007) IFPI Top 20 music markets in the world - Bold if TT never toured there and in brackets the last time if they have. 1. USA 2. Japan (1995) 3. Germany (2015) 4. UK (2017) 5. France 6. South Korea 7. Canada 8. Australia (2017) 9. Brazil 10. China 11. Netherlands (2015) 12. Italy (2015) 13. Spain (2007) 14. Sweden (2006) 15. Norway 16. Denmark (2015) 17. Switzerland (2015) 18. Mexico 19. India 20. Argentina So out of the current Top 20 music markets in the world. TT have during career played in half (10) and half they haven't (other 10). Within the top ten markets there are 6 nations they have never toured, hopefully this will be addressed on the world tour 2019. When they are out on tour they should go on national TV in these countries and promote the album. It's a greatest hits after all so could have publicity for these TV shows. Touring is effective but TV is still the best platform for promotion.

The Greatest Hits sounds amazing to me. Gary has tweeted. 'Our Greatest hits album is now finished and mastered. Every track has had a face lift. Some have been completely re recorded. 3 brand new songs. There’s guests and lots of interesting links between songs. What a journey #TT30' Who are the guests? Backstreet Boys maybe. Interesting links between songs - spoken word or instrumentals? If it's all their singles wouldn't it be a three disc minimum? I can't wait for the WORLD tour, though I hope it is just that. All continents and countries never visited but more than due. This will also help the new Greatest Hits and build some kind of momentum and ripple effect for it and their music.